Test Drove Evo X tonight...
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It's very puzzling why Mitsubishi would leave so much on the table when it comes to the stock performance.
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My thoughts exactly. I always wonder what's up when people can get huge gains from very minor mods, because any decent engineer would have done it at the factory if not for a better reason not to. Sometimes its for emissions or NVH, and some will happily tolerate those for some extra HP, but I've never heard of running rich for the benefit of emissions....
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It could be that they know the kids will be tuning the cars so they leave a little on the table for the tunes to be happy yet design the car with these HP numbers in mind. The tuners thing they have unlocked secret HP and Mistu is happy because the car is still with in the limits it was designed for. Just a thought.
My thoughts exactly. I always wonder what's up when people can get huge gains from very minor mods, because any decent engineer would have done it at the factory if not for a better reason not to. Sometimes its for emissions or NVH, and some will happily tolerate those for some extra HP, but I've never heard of running rich for the benefit of emissions....
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^ Just like what Subaru is doing with the WRX. When questioned about the vanilla hp of the WRX, the Subie spokeperson casually mentioned about "...there is a healthy aftermarket support out there."
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My thoughts exactly. I always wonder what's up when people can get huge gains from very minor mods, because any decent engineer would have done it at the factory if not for a better reason not to. Sometimes its for emissions or NVH, and some will happily tolerate those for some extra HP, but I've never heard of running rich for the benefit of emissions....
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That's exactly it. I think it's nifty that the Evo X is so tunable after everyone was so paranoid it wouldn't be with the new engine and what not. The problem is I need that warranty and I don't want to wait 3 or 4 years before I can start having fun.
It's very puzzling why Mitsubishi would leave so much on the table when it comes to the stock performance.
It's very puzzling why Mitsubishi would leave so much on the table when it comes to the stock performance.
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Mitsubishi is not the first company to do this. Maybe they did not want to tune the car to the edge. Maybe for market placement because they know the car will only demand so much money regardless of its HP. Who knows and who cares. If I was an Evo X owner, I'd be happy because it is tunable for decent gains.
i can't wait until the first guy comes on the Evo boards and starts complaining that he needs to pay $12k to fix his fancy new SST transmission because he added an exhaust pipe. Mitsubishi will claim the transmission isn't intended to handle ANY additional horsepower and that will be that.
They put out a 360hp model in Europe -- why not here?
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Evo X GSR:
0-30 mph: 1.7 seconds
0-45 mph: 3.1 seconds
0-60 mph: 4.9 seconds
0-75 mph: 7.2 seconds
Quarter-mile: 13.6 seconds at 101.3 mph
30-0 mph: 28 feet
60-0 mph: 112 feet
600-foot slalom: 70.7 mph
200-foot skid pad: 0.99g
Evo IX:
0-30 mph: 1.8 seconds
0-45 mph: 3.3 seconds
0-60 mph: 4.9 seconds
0-75 mph: 7.4 seconds
Quarter-mile: 13.3 seconds at 103 mph
30-0 mph: 28.6 feet
60-0 mph: 115.8 feet
600-foot slalom: 70.7 mph
200-foot skid pad: 0.93g
If the majority of people are not into tuning then Mitsu should not have much concern with SST transmission.
i can't wait until the first guy comes on the Evo boards and starts complaining that he needs to pay $12k to fix his fancy new SST transmission because he added an exhaust pipe. Mitsubishi will claim the transmission isn't intended to handle ANY additional horsepower and that will be that.
Also how is that any different than someone here going FI while under warranty? People make their choices and must live with them.
If they change the car in a way the manufacture does not want then their warranty will be voided.
Look how long it took them to even bring the Evo to the US. Even Ford does that with the Focus. Lots of car manufactures release the high HP version with what seems better everything in Europe and other countries. It is all about market segment and what the bean counters perceive it to be.
If Mitsu felt they could sell a $70k Evo to the masses by upping the HP then they would do it.
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With the MR version yes but it is still quite the performer. Think Mitsu could sell the Evo X as is with 400 HP for $70K? Their current market is the $35k - $45k and they know they can not move to much further up. An MR with all the options and dealer mark up is pushing the car to $47k in my area which is too much money.
Bottom line is that the Evo is in a weird state right now. Many longtime fans will love the new Evo since it looks very aggressive, has better amenities, handles like a dream, and is very tunable. Many people who were always on the fence about Evo's (like myself) were looking at the X as being a great balance. Instead, they added a good bit of weight and slowed it down immensely (0.5 seconds from 0-60 by most accounts) as well as put the price point well above many other competing cars. It's still a very interesting car and compelling for some, but it could have easily been a slam dunk. To see that they left so much power on the table (pretty much it's biggest drawback in the MR) is very puzzling and disappointing. Many potential customers who were waiting for the MR will end up going to the BMW 135i or the new 370Z because of it.
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I'm not confusing anything. You are excluding part of the Evo lineup without specifically stating it. Your arguments are in a vacuum due to providing facts to support what you think is the truth.
My point is the Evo is in the market segment that Mitsu believes they can sell the car. I'm saying even if the car has 400 HP and price it with the upgraded market segment that it would not sell. Who cares if they presumably limit the power. As previously stated, they are not the first nor the last.
My point is the Evo is in the market segment that Mitsu believes they can sell the car. I'm saying even if the car has 400 HP and price it with the upgraded market segment that it would not sell. Who cares if they presumably limit the power. As previously stated, they are not the first nor the last.
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Isn't this always been the case for many mfg... especially with their turbocharged models? The Audi 2.0t comes to mind and so is the turbo boxer engines from Subarus. Heck even the 9-3 turbos have lots of power left untapped.
I am presuming driveability, emissions, marketing, future scaleability, model spin-offs etc were the factors. Nissan's VQ is a prime example.
I am presuming driveability, emissions, marketing, future scaleability, model spin-offs etc were the factors. Nissan's VQ is a prime example.
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I'm not confusing anything. You are excluding part of the Evo lineup without specifically stating it. Your arguments are in a vacuum due to providing facts to support what you think is the truth.
My point is the Evo is in the market segment that Mitsu believes they can sell the car. I'm saying even if the car has 400 HP and price it with the upgraded market segment that it would not sell. Who cares if they presumably limit the power. As previously stated, they are not the first nor the last.
My point is the Evo is in the market segment that Mitsu believes they can sell the car. I'm saying even if the car has 400 HP and price it with the upgraded market segment that it would not sell. Who cares if they presumably limit the power. As previously stated, they are not the first nor the last.
You mixed up your arguments, didn't read my post, and generally just took things out of context. This isn't really a productive use of time. Mitsubishi FAILED and their sales will prove it.
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#90
if you want to drag race your car - great...buy the EVO X and mod it.
I"m the OP - my point was ---- the car is NO FUN.
i'm not 18 with my only concern being 0-60 and having a big fart can exhaust that makes people stare with disgust as I reve around the starbucks..
i want something that is FUN.
I have test driven a LOT of cars. the ONLY TWO cars I have driven that were FUN FUN FUN that made me want to buy them were the RX8 and the Porsche Boxster.
I like both cars - even though they are very different. the boxster being a roadster vs the 8 being a coupe with the rear seats... but if you compare a newer 8 to an older boxster - they are in similar price points and both are "fun" cars.
the evo just feels like a cheapy ricey sedan. lots of low end torque, and it sounds horrible.
i'm big on sound. the rx8 sounds cool. i drove an rx8 wtih the MS exhaust. it sounded AWESOME. the boxster sounds amazing as well - different but amazing. the evo sounds like a $hitbox. i hated it.
i don't care how fast the evo is or could be with mods. i hated it. different strokes for different folks. a lot of people love it and buy it INSTEAD of a porsche or other "high end" brands. that's what makes the world go round.
my points was to highlight that for a lot less money - you all have a car that is IMHO - much more fun and much more sporty.
I"m the OP - my point was ---- the car is NO FUN.
i'm not 18 with my only concern being 0-60 and having a big fart can exhaust that makes people stare with disgust as I reve around the starbucks..
i want something that is FUN.
I have test driven a LOT of cars. the ONLY TWO cars I have driven that were FUN FUN FUN that made me want to buy them were the RX8 and the Porsche Boxster.
I like both cars - even though they are very different. the boxster being a roadster vs the 8 being a coupe with the rear seats... but if you compare a newer 8 to an older boxster - they are in similar price points and both are "fun" cars.
the evo just feels like a cheapy ricey sedan. lots of low end torque, and it sounds horrible.
i'm big on sound. the rx8 sounds cool. i drove an rx8 wtih the MS exhaust. it sounded AWESOME. the boxster sounds amazing as well - different but amazing. the evo sounds like a $hitbox. i hated it.
i don't care how fast the evo is or could be with mods. i hated it. different strokes for different folks. a lot of people love it and buy it INSTEAD of a porsche or other "high end" brands. that's what makes the world go round.
my points was to highlight that for a lot less money - you all have a car that is IMHO - much more fun and much more sporty.
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I don't want to read this threat. I don't care about what all of you said. You are all stupid as hell.
And what the fk EVO owers and Sti ****** doing on RX8 forum? NOBODY CARES HOW GOOD OR BAD YOUR CARS ARE. U HEAR ME??!! NOBODY! If you think somebody cares, you are dillusionallllll as f*&K!
And what the fk EVO owers and Sti ****** doing on RX8 forum? NOBODY CARES HOW GOOD OR BAD YOUR CARS ARE. U HEAR ME??!! NOBODY! If you think somebody cares, you are dillusionallllll as f*&K!
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I don't want to read this threat. I don't care about what all of you said. You are all stupid as hell.
And what the fk EVO owers and Sti ****** doing on RX8 forum? NOBODY CARES HOW GOOD OR BAD YOUR CARS ARE. U HEAR ME??!! NOBODY! If you think somebody cares, you are dillusionallllll as f*&K!![Uzi](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/uzi.gif)
And what the fk EVO owers and Sti ****** doing on RX8 forum? NOBODY CARES HOW GOOD OR BAD YOUR CARS ARE. U HEAR ME??!! NOBODY! If you think somebody cares, you are dillusionallllll as f*&K!
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..... just thought I'd put that out there
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I hope your not referring to the X, cuz if you are, your talking out your ***. I've owned 2 STi's, own an X and driven an evo 8 many times (my buddy has one), and yes the STI's and evo 8 tend to run out of breath. However, the X is completely different. After the power reflashes from Mitsu, the cars pulls like a bitch all the way to redline. I would describe the power delivery as follows: there's a strong progressive pull up to about 5,500RPM, then from the there its a big burst of power till redline. I actually hit fuel cut off all the time cause the car does not want to stop pulling.
I hate factory turbos on cars in that price range...they all run out of breath way before redline so they can have quicker spool up down low and smoother daily drivability.
If you wanna see the potential of factory turboing for just a little more money, test drive the 135. It's got the best factory turbo setup in its price range by far. No flat spot, pulls hard all the way to redline...feels like a roller coaster.
If you wanna see the potential of factory turboing for just a little more money, test drive the 135. It's got the best factory turbo setup in its price range by far. No flat spot, pulls hard all the way to redline...feels like a roller coaster.
#94
if you want to drag race your car - great...buy the EVO X and mod it.
I"m the OP - my point was ---- the car is NO FUN.
i'm not 18 with my only concern being 0-60 and having a big fart can exhaust that makes people stare with disgust as I reve around the starbucks..
i want something that is FUN.
I have test driven a LOT of cars. the ONLY TWO cars I have driven that were FUN FUN FUN that made me want to buy them were the RX8 and the Porsche Boxster.
I like both cars - even though they are very different. the boxster being a roadster vs the 8 being a coupe with the rear seats... but if you compare a newer 8 to an older boxster - they are in similar price points and both are "fun" cars.
the evo just feels like a cheapy ricey sedan. lots of low end torque, and it sounds horrible.
i'm big on sound. the rx8 sounds cool. i drove an rx8 wtih the MS exhaust. it sounded AWESOME. the boxster sounds amazing as well - different but amazing. the evo sounds like a $hitbox. i hated it.
i don't care how fast the evo is or could be with mods. i hated it. different strokes for different folks. a lot of people love it and buy it INSTEAD of a porsche or other "high end" brands. that's what makes the world go round.
my points was to highlight that for a lot less money - you all have a car that is IMHO - much more fun and much more sporty.
I"m the OP - my point was ---- the car is NO FUN.
i'm not 18 with my only concern being 0-60 and having a big fart can exhaust that makes people stare with disgust as I reve around the starbucks..
i want something that is FUN.
I have test driven a LOT of cars. the ONLY TWO cars I have driven that were FUN FUN FUN that made me want to buy them were the RX8 and the Porsche Boxster.
I like both cars - even though they are very different. the boxster being a roadster vs the 8 being a coupe with the rear seats... but if you compare a newer 8 to an older boxster - they are in similar price points and both are "fun" cars.
the evo just feels like a cheapy ricey sedan. lots of low end torque, and it sounds horrible.
i'm big on sound. the rx8 sounds cool. i drove an rx8 wtih the MS exhaust. it sounded AWESOME. the boxster sounds amazing as well - different but amazing. the evo sounds like a $hitbox. i hated it.
i don't care how fast the evo is or could be with mods. i hated it. different strokes for different folks. a lot of people love it and buy it INSTEAD of a porsche or other "high end" brands. that's what makes the world go round.
my points was to highlight that for a lot less money - you all have a car that is IMHO - much more fun and much more sporty.
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The more I see and read about the Evo X the more I like it. I looked at GSR and MR 2 weeks ago but did not take them for a test drive for fear I would be tempted to take one home. I know what I have with the 8 and it is very hard to give it up. Just need to add some WHP.
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The rx8 is a great car. If it was just more efficient and came with 100 more hp, it would be damn near perfect. I wonder what mazda is planning to do once the 370z is released. That car is speculated to have about 330-350hp, as well as be lighter.
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Update: I recently took a test drive in the EVO X this salesman was an Evo enthusiast he was all about the Evo IV. He was like,"That was a classic and pure sportscar!"
Anyhow, I did not see the "fun" in driving it, plus the interior had a sedan-ish feel to it not like I was in a sportscar but in a cheap sedan. I did like the recaro seats and the torque wasn't unlike anything I haven't felt before in other cars but it definitely pulls much harder than the 8. The car just didn't have a good overall feel to it imo. My 8 may not be the fastest car on the road but when I drive her she feels like I'm in a sportscar. I guess that is what Mazda is good at...soul of a sportscar.
Just my .02
Anyhow, I did not see the "fun" in driving it, plus the interior had a sedan-ish feel to it not like I was in a sportscar but in a cheap sedan. I did like the recaro seats and the torque wasn't unlike anything I haven't felt before in other cars but it definitely pulls much harder than the 8. The car just didn't have a good overall feel to it imo. My 8 may not be the fastest car on the road but when I drive her she feels like I'm in a sportscar. I guess that is what Mazda is good at...soul of a sportscar.
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