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Old 07-24-2007 | 02:49 PM
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what's wrong with the description?
Old 07-24-2007 | 02:54 PM
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can't wait til after work when I can test this out!!
Old 07-24-2007 | 02:58 PM
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Definitions of indestructible:
1. not easily destroyed
2. durable: very long lasting

After all the 8's having engine replacements under warranty, and myself coming from the world of the FD3S I laughed a bit when I read the description... maybe it's just funny to me?
IMO, the engines are rarely the issue, it's the user that is at fault.
Old 07-24-2007 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Devil
IMO, the engines are rarely the issue, it's the user that is at fault.
Where are people getting this information?
Old 07-24-2007 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Devil
IMO, the engines are rarely the issue, it's the user that is at fault.
That's a pretty bold statement.
Old 07-24-2007 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by stokedxiv
Definitions of indestructible:
1. not easily destroyed
2. durable: very long lasting

After all the 8's having engine replacements under warranty, and myself coming from the world of the FD3S I laughed a bit when I read the description... maybe it's just funny to me?
Doesn't indestructible mean that it can't be destroyed...
Old 07-24-2007 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Devil
IMO, the engines are rarely the issue, it's the user that is at fault.
Agreed
Old 07-24-2007 | 03:34 PM
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Where are people getting this information?
Near 10 years of rotary engine ownership. Where do you get yours?
Old 07-24-2007 | 03:38 PM
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Haha I agree with you, but when the definition is "not easily destroyed" I think that whether it's the owner or not, it doesn't take a lot of abuse to kill a rotary. You can give a comparable piston engine a lot more hell before it fails (detonation, fuel starvation, sludgy oil, etc)...

Anyway seems most of you are missing the irony of it all. I've been working on RX7's for years now, maybe we have a lighter sense of humor about our fragile rotaries
No doubt piston engines can take more abuse. I think it is just a different approach to these engines and owners/first timers don't take the necessary steps. There should be a lot more prep work and planning for these engines.

I think the main causes of engine failures for rotary engines are:
1: Lack of education by the end user
2: Unreal power expectations vs. desired longevity
Old 07-24-2007 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Rems31
Doesn't indestructible mean that it can't be destroyed...
That is a true definition of the word, but If you use that as the definition, then it wouldn't be much of a word because nothing in our universe is indestructible.
Old 07-24-2007 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mysql101
That is a true definition of the word, but If you use that as the definition, then it wouldn't be much of a word because nothing in our universe is indestructible.
what about Chuck Norris?!?!
Old 07-24-2007 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by stokedxiv
Well thats the whole reason I started this thread in the first place. For a dealership to state in a vehicle description, especially with a rotary engine where knowledge is key, that "THESE ENGINES ARE INDESTRUCTIBLE", I think that's pretty blind statement especially since they're advertising to the general public and not just rotary enthusiasts.

To me, it was ironic that I'd find that in a description for a rotary, that's why I posted it... but again, seems to me that the rx8 owners are a tad more defensive than us rx7 guys
They're a FORD dealership. If Mazda sales people don't have the faintest clue wtf the RX-8 is, or what makes it special, I sure as hell wouldn't expect the the internet sales guy for FORD to

Though in this case, I like the guy's conclusion.
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Originally Posted by Red Devil
Near 10 years of rotary engine ownership. Where do you get yours?
Depends on the information you're talking about, but you still didn't answer my question. I was looking for a serious answer, not a snippy one.

I was just looking for proof of your and similar claims I've been seeing around the board recently, but I guess once you go on a decade of rotary ownership you no longer have to back up your statements.
Old 07-24-2007 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Devil

I think the main causes of engine failures for rotary engines are:
1: Lack of education by the end user
Crap, I'm all paranoid now that there is something I should be doing that I am not doing!!

Or even the other way around!
Old 07-24-2007 | 03:50 PM
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maybe they shoulda put "when taken care of" or "with proper use" or something else to that effect before, it would be a better statement... I'm rather sure if your specific goal was to prove that wrong... you could pretty much destroy any engine rather quickly if you wanted to...
Old 07-24-2007 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 8is>enuff
Depends on the information you're talking about, but you still didn't answer my question. I was looking for a serious answer, not a snippy one.

I was just looking for proof of your and similar claims I've been seeing around the board recently, but I guess once you go on a decade of rotary ownership you no longer have to back up your statements.
There are lots of people around here that back up their statements with [multiple] blown motors and get tons of respect. why should we start asking for credentials now?
Old 07-24-2007 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Rems31
what about Chuck Norris?!?!
Ah, but Chuck Norris is not part of the universe....rather, the universe is part of Chuck Norris.
Old 07-24-2007 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by stokedxiv
Not that I disagree with you at all, but you do realize that Ford owns a controlling (33%) stake in Mazda, right? So technically... haha
yeah, but a ford sales person has 0% to do with mazda
Old 07-24-2007 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 8is>enuff
Depends on the information you're talking about, but you still didn't answer my question. I was looking for a serious answer, not a snippy one.

I was just looking for proof of your and similar claims I've been seeing around the board recently, but I guess once you go on a decade of rotary ownership you no longer have to back up your statements.
I think what I point to is owners of any generation adding power to these engines, but neglecting the cooling system. Owners boosting these engines but not providing adequate fuel and spark adjustments, not regularly changing the oil, not topping off the oil, not redlining the engine once it's warmed up...really, I could go on but these rules are similar (except the redlining part) for all internal combustion engines. It's just that with rotaries they are WAY more sensitive.

My best example is the FC turbo that I owned. It went near 150K on its original engine - boosted from 6-8psi. And this was in Florida where it's hot. The engine was meticulously maintained, and once warmed up thrashed regularly. It wasn't the fastest car, but it was powerful enough and a lot of fun.


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