is it true the average life-span of the rx-8 is only about 70,000-80,000 miles?
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The disagreement was with claiming that more helicopters have them than not. The jet engine is the preferred engine for helicopters, hands down.
There was no engine recall. The recall sticker will be for emissions, MSP16, etc... THere were 5 recalls for the RX-8, none of them recalled "the engine". 3 of them were just reflash updates for emissions or engine health. You kept the same hardware installed.
There was no engine recall. The recall sticker will be for emissions, MSP16, etc... THere were 5 recalls for the RX-8, none of them recalled "the engine". 3 of them were just reflash updates for emissions or engine health. You kept the same hardware installed.
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Owner Letter:
Dealer Letter:
Mazda North American Operations
August 2006
2004-2006 RX-8 Voluntary Emission Recall Campaign 4206F
Dear Mazda Owner:
Mazda Motor Corporation has decided to conduct an Emission Recall Campaign to reprogram the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) and replace the spark plugs on certain 2004-2006 RX-8 vehicles produced from April 10, 2003 through June 1, 2006.
If you are a recipient of this notice, your vehicle is included in this recall.
What is the problem?
Due to PCM software calibration issues, the following conditions may result:
i) The oil-injection metering system may be inaccurate causing poor engine sealing of the combustion chambers resulting in drivability or emissions problems.
ii) Too much fuel may be injected at the time of engine start causing carbon to be deposited on spark plugs or plugs may be flooded, causing a difficult start condition. In addition, the catalytic converter may be degraded on some vehicles.
iii) (Only 2006 RX-8 vehicles are affected.) A test value indicating engine coolant temperature may be incorrectly shown on the service tool when a diagnostic function test is performed at dealership.
What will Mazda do?
Your Mazda dealer will reprogram the PCM to include the latest calibration. In addition, the following components will be inspected and repaired or replaced if necessary: spark plugs, engine, and catalytic converter. All of these inspection/repairs are carried out free of charge
.
The repair should take approximately 1 hour to complete at minimum. However, it may take longer depending on the necessary repairs and service workload at your Mazda dealership. Mazda is offering a Daily Rental Program to provide alternate transportation when your vehicle is at an authorized Mazda dealership for this recall. Ask your dealer for details about this program.
What should you do?
We encourage you to make an appointment with any authorized Mazda dealer to have the PCM reprogrammed and if necessary, have the spark plugs, engine, and/or catalytic converter replaced, at your earliest convenience. You do not need to bring this notice to the dealer, but it may assist in the check-in process.
August 2006
2004-2006 RX-8 Voluntary Emission Recall Campaign 4206F
Dear Mazda Owner:
Mazda Motor Corporation has decided to conduct an Emission Recall Campaign to reprogram the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) and replace the spark plugs on certain 2004-2006 RX-8 vehicles produced from April 10, 2003 through June 1, 2006.
If you are a recipient of this notice, your vehicle is included in this recall.
What is the problem?
Due to PCM software calibration issues, the following conditions may result:
i) The oil-injection metering system may be inaccurate causing poor engine sealing of the combustion chambers resulting in drivability or emissions problems.
ii) Too much fuel may be injected at the time of engine start causing carbon to be deposited on spark plugs or plugs may be flooded, causing a difficult start condition. In addition, the catalytic converter may be degraded on some vehicles.
iii) (Only 2006 RX-8 vehicles are affected.) A test value indicating engine coolant temperature may be incorrectly shown on the service tool when a diagnostic function test is performed at dealership.
What will Mazda do?
Your Mazda dealer will reprogram the PCM to include the latest calibration. In addition, the following components will be inspected and repaired or replaced if necessary: spark plugs, engine, and catalytic converter. All of these inspection/repairs are carried out free of charge
.
The repair should take approximately 1 hour to complete at minimum. However, it may take longer depending on the necessary repairs and service workload at your Mazda dealership. Mazda is offering a Daily Rental Program to provide alternate transportation when your vehicle is at an authorized Mazda dealership for this recall. Ask your dealer for details about this program.
What should you do?
We encourage you to make an appointment with any authorized Mazda dealer to have the PCM reprogrammed and if necessary, have the spark plugs, engine, and/or catalytic converter replaced, at your earliest convenience. You do not need to bring this notice to the dealer, but it may assist in the check-in process.
TO:
Mazda Dealership General Managers, Service Managers, and Parts Managers
DATE: April 2008 (Original August 2006)
SUBJECT:
2004-2006 RX-8 Voluntary Emission Recall Campaign 4206F
Revised Parts and Warranty Information
Dear Mazda Dealer:
Mazda Motor Corporation has decided to conduct an Emission Recall Campaign to reprogram the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) and replace the spark plugs on certain 2004-2006 RX-8 vehicles produced from April 10, 2003 through June 1, 2006.
Due to PCM software calibration issues, the following conditions may result:
i) The oil-injection metering system may be inaccurate causing poor engine sealing of the combustion chambers resulting in drivability or emissions problems.
ii) Too much fuel may be injected at the time of engine start causing carbon to be deposited on spark plugs or plugs may be flooded, causing a difficult start condition. In addition, the catalytic converter may be degraded on some vehicles.
iii) (Only 2006 RX-8 vehicles are affected.) A test value indicating engine coolant temperature may be incorrectly shown on the service tool when a diagnostic function test is performed at dealership.
Owners of affected vehicles will be notified by first class mail beginning August 31, 2006.
This package contains important information about emission recall campaign 4206F:
Attachment I Dealer Service and Parts information
Attachment II Repair procedures
Attachment III Owner notification letter
Important notice: California Department of Motor Vehicles, Vermont Department of Motor Vehicles, and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, in conjunction with the California Air Resources Board and the Environmental Protection Agency for the State of Massachusetts and Vermont, have implemented the Registration Renewal/Recall Tie-In Program, which requires the completion of Emission Recalls prior to registration renewal. Mazda dealers must provide a Vehicle Emission Recall – Proof of Correction Certificate upon completion of the recall. Instruct owners to keep the certificate until needed for registration renewal.
Failure to perform applicable recalls before delivery can result in extensive dealer fines and penalties from the Federal Government. Therefore, you must complete this recall for all affected vehicles in your inventory prior to delivery.
Mazda Dealership General Managers, Service Managers, and Parts Managers
DATE: April 2008 (Original August 2006)
SUBJECT:
2004-2006 RX-8 Voluntary Emission Recall Campaign 4206F
Revised Parts and Warranty Information
Dear Mazda Dealer:
Mazda Motor Corporation has decided to conduct an Emission Recall Campaign to reprogram the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) and replace the spark plugs on certain 2004-2006 RX-8 vehicles produced from April 10, 2003 through June 1, 2006.
Due to PCM software calibration issues, the following conditions may result:
i) The oil-injection metering system may be inaccurate causing poor engine sealing of the combustion chambers resulting in drivability or emissions problems.
ii) Too much fuel may be injected at the time of engine start causing carbon to be deposited on spark plugs or plugs may be flooded, causing a difficult start condition. In addition, the catalytic converter may be degraded on some vehicles.
iii) (Only 2006 RX-8 vehicles are affected.) A test value indicating engine coolant temperature may be incorrectly shown on the service tool when a diagnostic function test is performed at dealership.
Owners of affected vehicles will be notified by first class mail beginning August 31, 2006.
This package contains important information about emission recall campaign 4206F:
Attachment I Dealer Service and Parts information
Attachment II Repair procedures
Attachment III Owner notification letter
Important notice: California Department of Motor Vehicles, Vermont Department of Motor Vehicles, and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, in conjunction with the California Air Resources Board and the Environmental Protection Agency for the State of Massachusetts and Vermont, have implemented the Registration Renewal/Recall Tie-In Program, which requires the completion of Emission Recalls prior to registration renewal. Mazda dealers must provide a Vehicle Emission Recall – Proof of Correction Certificate upon completion of the recall. Instruct owners to keep the certificate until needed for registration renewal.
Failure to perform applicable recalls before delivery can result in extensive dealer fines and penalties from the Federal Government. Therefore, you must complete this recall for all affected vehicles in your inventory prior to delivery.
Last edited by RIWWP; 04-26-2014 at 11:22 AM.
#104
But I didn't say helicopters used them more than jet engines. I said Helicopters wouldn't use them if they weren't reliable.
I can understand the confusion though. I tend to do that to most of my friends as well.
I am not here to pick fights, or argue. I'm not saying none of you knew what you were talking about, but I did not post anything that I did not know. Any more replies about this confusion will not revoke a response thank you.
RIWWP - I respect you, and am very well aware that you know more about rotary engines than I
I can understand the confusion though. I tend to do that to most of my friends as well.
I am not here to pick fights, or argue. I'm not saying none of you knew what you were talking about, but I did not post anything that I did not know. Any more replies about this confusion will not revoke a response thank you.
RIWWP - I respect you, and am very well aware that you know more about rotary engines than I
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hmmm. I'm trying to think why I said primary.
I know that turbine gas engines are preferred in aviation. Rolls Royce's Allison model 250 series is the most commonly used engine for helicopters (turbine gas).
If that's what I said, (which obviously is since it's typed there) then by all means slap me with a stupid stick.
I know that turbine gas engines are preferred in aviation. Rolls Royce's Allison model 250 series is the most commonly used engine for helicopters (turbine gas).
If that's what I said, (which obviously is since it's typed there) then by all means slap me with a stupid stick.
#108
Also by that, I meant to say that exact sentence you quoted earlier.
But I talked with a mechanical engineer at my university and he was even talking about the turbine gas engine (as well as some weird thing about cows). So I'm not sure why I said that sentence since I knew better.
Does that make sense, or should I keep digging a larger more confusing hole?
But I talked with a mechanical engineer at my university and he was even talking about the turbine gas engine (as well as some weird thing about cows). So I'm not sure why I said that sentence since I knew better.
Does that make sense, or should I keep digging a larger more confusing hole?
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recall 4206f
Have you seen the innards of enough Renesises (Renesi?) from before and after 4206f to form an opinion as to whether it helped the way Mazda thought it would?
Ken
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I've been looking into buying a used RX8. It's a 2004 with 45,535 miles on it. I own a Dodge Neon right now and haven't decided fly if I want to make the jump to the RX8. Any suggeations?
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Hy guys, just bought RX8 with low compression (it run on 5 bar and less - had hot start problem) and drove it for 1000miles. It started cranking and destroyed stationary bearing. So 100000miles on first engine. Now dead! If i could get it with second engine I would be happy as a baby!
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155K on original motor. Owned it since a hair over 100k, 2006MY. Aside from usual maintenance (plugs,wires,coils) All it has is a midpipe I installed. I also run Royal Purple 10W30 and have been running a custom tune from VersaTune for about 20k~ which has slight increased OMP output. Occasional premix.
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So anything past 80k I’d off peak performance.
Anything past 100k is tired
Anything past 140k is dead?
it seems like many well designed piston engines loosen up for the first 60k and are in their prime 60-120k and make great power after that.
rotary engines seem to decline in compression and performance linearly compared to mileage. If they are well taken care of they can go 150k, but make their best power when new. Is this right?
Anything past 100k is tired
Anything past 140k is dead?
it seems like many well designed piston engines loosen up for the first 60k and are in their prime 60-120k and make great power after that.
rotary engines seem to decline in compression and performance linearly compared to mileage. If they are well taken care of they can go 150k, but make their best power when new. Is this right?
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So anything past 80k I’d off peak performance.
Anything past 100k is tired
Anything past 140k is dead?
it seems like many well designed piston engines loosen up for the first 60k and are in their prime 60-120k and make great power after that.
rotary engines seem to decline in compression and performance linearly compared to mileage. If they are well taken care of they can go 150k, but make their best power when new. Is this right?
Anything past 100k is tired
Anything past 140k is dead?
it seems like many well designed piston engines loosen up for the first 60k and are in their prime 60-120k and make great power after that.
rotary engines seem to decline in compression and performance linearly compared to mileage. If they are well taken care of they can go 150k, but make their best power when new. Is this right?
On average those benchmarks are right-ish, but the average doesn't always hold true for any one individual case.
So it depends what you want to do with this information.
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and 2011 models getting a new engine before 100k
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto...055447412.html
the lifespan of the RX8 is great, but it could need an engine sooner than most, or not ... today though most people act like the rest of the car is disposable once the engine needs replacement. Kind of sad and wasteful.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto...055447412.html
the lifespan of the RX8 is great, but it could need an engine sooner than most, or not ... today though most people act like the rest of the car is disposable once the engine needs replacement. Kind of sad and wasteful.
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#123
It does seem the cars are almost disposable. I can only assume the engine is what drags the book value down on these cars. It seems a bit overblown though.
I just ran the NADA on a clean retail 2005 GT with 20k miles, and it came up with $4200!!!? $4200!!!? That's it???
I just ran the NADA on a clean retail 2005 GT with 20k miles, and it came up with $4200!!!? $4200!!!? That's it???
#125
Smoking turbo yay
Like Loki said, it's an old car. Mazda in general also doesn't hold value as well as Toyota or Honda.