RX8_GT

Thought you were a realist !!! - they are well modified econo-boxes - probably built on the same line.

sti_eric

So what you are saying is that you really have no idea about the interior differences between the STi and RX-8, but you somehow feel qualified to make the blanket statement "The RX-8 interior is better"?


Keep telling yourself that, buddy. I've said it before, and I'll say it again...as an owner of both an STi and an RX-8, I can tell you, without a shadow of a doubt, that the STi gets WAY more respect than the RX-8. I still don't understand what tangible benefit you think you derive by having a "better looking" car. The STi is much more of a car than the RX-8 is, that's why it costs $10K more.

BTW, how come neither pic you posted are of an STi (exterior or interior)?

sti_eric

Please list for me the limitations "due to the underlying platform".
Apparently the limitations due to the underlying platform didn't hind Petter Solberg from winner the WRC driver's championship.

saturn

That's fine, but people could just say that the RX-8 is burdened by the rotary engine.

I don't get what's so hard to understand. Both cars have pluses and minuses. I just think it's insane to sit here and say that the kind of platform is what makes or breaks the car. The 8 has a great platform. The Evo and STi are fast. Almond Joy's got nuts. Mounds don't.

The world don't move to the beat of just one drum. What might be right for you, may not be right for some. It takes different strokes, it takes different strokes, it takes different strokes to move the world.

This went from a discussion about the current state of sales in the US to an argument about mileage to an bashfest of Evo's and STi's to a celebration of how well the 8 looks and can handle in the twisties.

What a sad state of affairs this is.

DARKMAZ8

It wouldn't be an rx8 thread without the sti/evo. That's what makes this site sooo goood.

RotoRocket

iTrader: (1)

Make sure to keep your windows down, so you can tell everyone that at red lights (even though .000001% of the population knows or cares about Petter Solberg), so you can feel subjectively better about paying $30k+ for what 99.9% of people are going to assume is a $15,000 Impreza.

sti_eric

You can thank roaddemon (AGAIN) - see post 258. In yet another attempt to pat himself on the back for buying an RX-8, he attempts to downplay the STi and Evo's superiority as sports cars by calling them econoboxes with a cheating turbo and stiff suspension. I don't know why he continues to advertise his ignorance like this.

sti_eric

Just because you are ignorant about cars doesn't mean everyone else is. Most people by now know what the STi is and that it is an absolute monster. That is why it gets a lot of respect. Most people also know that the RX-8 is an underperforming sports coupe, hence why it constantly gets picked on on the streets.

So, still no idea about the differences in interior? Still don't have any STi pictures posted? How about the limitations of the underlying platform?

RX8_GT

You can say 'burdened' - I would rather called it 'defined'. If Mazda was pulling cars off the line and modifying them with a rotary engine, I might see 'burdened' but the RX series has been built for the rotary engine. The list of sports cars I was referring to have their own platform.

The STI/EVO is factory-modified car - based on that is commonly called an econobox. It is a great driving/performing car from what I know but it is what it is.

The RX-8 wins awards not by being the fastest, etc BUT by being the most balanced, etc.

Both have their markets --- and last time I checked this was the RX-8 Club Forum.

Ike

Another thread turned into a useless STI/Evo bash fest by the fanbois. I've made some legitimate arguments (one that was heavily anticipated yet ignored) while others just want to toss around insults at other cars. This thread will be closed soon so I'm just going to stop posting and let you guys bash away. Ignorance is bliss, so just keep thinking the Evo and STI is nothing but a Lancer and Impreza with some mods thrown on.

RotoRocket

iTrader: (1)

I know who Petter Solberg is. I read the article where Car And Driver tested the STi against the Evo. The article, including the drivers, constantly ragged on how stark, unrefined both cars were, even calling them "rental" as far as ultimate design is concerned (anyone who thinks the STi has anything but a base rental interior is either in denial, or blind with no sensory touch abilities).


The STi is even more hideous than the Impreza, AFAIC. I did you a favor by not posting it, because it's an econobox that is garishly dressed up to try to shout to the world that it's something other than what it's chassis was intended to be from day 1 - a miserly, utterly boring, point A to B, motorized mailbox.

If life were a series of 0-60 checkpoints, with judges keeping awatch and counting the seconds off the clock, congratulations. You're STi is a second better.

By all other measures, you lose. The 8 is superior in looks, feel, handling, ride quality and cache.

I wouldn't have said anything along these lines had it not been for the constant **** that you and Ike (with an even worse looking Evo, if that's possible) spread around here. But touche'.

DARKMAZ8

^^^^^^

sti_eric

So, you have no experience yourself, all you do is rely on what other people tell you?

That just solidifies that you are complete idiot who knows nothing about the cars in question. Anyone who calls an STi or Evo "utterly boring" is just a clueless chump who is living in fantasy land. Your buddies at the car mags surely don't call the STi and Evo boring.

Looks - subjective. I like a masculine car, you like a feminine one.
Handling - how do you figure that the RX-8's handling is superior?
Ride Quality - ok, I'll give it to you. The RX-8 has a squishy suspension that isn't nearly as tight as the Evo and STi.
Cache - You own a $25K Mazda. It has as much "cache" as a Honda Civic Si, Mitsubishi Eclipse, Acura RSX, and the other bazillion low-20s sport coupes.

It doesn't bother me at all that you say these things. It is obvious that these are just the inane rantings of a clueless, insecure dope.

Still waiting for you to point out what about the RX-8 interior is better than the STi. Also waiting for what the limitations of the underlying platform are. I believe saturn asked you about skidpad numbers. I'd like to see your response to this in light of the fact that both the STi and the Evo pull better skidpad numbers than the RX-8.

saturn

That was Blue Eyes. My only contribution is to make references to candy car commercials and television shows from the 80's -- seemed more productive.

DARKMAZ8

funny thing happened last night when I went to the twisty street races. I dusted everything out there and beat an sti and evo for slips. I ended up letting them keep their cars cause it would cramp my style to drive those hideous 4 banger econo rice rockets. I don't need ppl asking me for rice or help with their lawnmower. So, I ditched the scene and ofcourse I needed some petrol. I pulled in the sunoco and treated my 8 to full service. To my suprise some skinny blond chick was pumping my gas. All she kept saying was how hot my car was and that she would give my 8s exhaust a tossed salade to clean all that carbon build up. I said "you can clean up my exhaust when you're finished since my hemroids are acting up again.

I love my 8

Raptor2k

roflmao

rotarygod

Since we have merged threads this is going back to a response a few pages ago. I never said the EVO, STi, SRT-4 etc were just econoboxes without the turbos. Others have said that. What I was comparing is the engines in them. To hear someone with one of those cars rag on the Renesis and compare it to other engines is just idiotic. Take away the turbos from those engines and they are nothing special at all. What makes those engines perform the way they do is the turbo. That's a fact. Someone compared the Renesis to an LS1. That's fair. They own an STi and compared their engine to the Renesis. As I said, if you take the turbo off of it, it doesn't even stack up all that well. Comparisons are still pretty worthless though. An LS1 is a very nice engine. Let get even crazier on the engine comparisons. How about comparing the 5.7 liter LS1 which does 400 hp to the new 3.6 liter flat 6 naturally aspirated Porsche 911 GT3 engine that does 415hp. Which one looks pathetic now? Hell, let's compare outputs of it to its smaller 4 cylinder bretheren without the turbos. Just for giggles keep the turbos, I don't care. What's the deal? Why so pathetic? See the point? Someone was comparing engines to the Renesis but it's easy to throw the argument right back. That's the whole point.

I fully expect you to disagree with sales facts. You've always had them wrong and have been the single biggest critic when it comes to RX-8 sales. To say that I'm shocked at your disagreement would be inaccurate. I fully expected it.

becomingwater

Good, maybe I will for sure get a speed RX8..lol

Roaddemon

Eric,
the main problem here is that your a subaru rally car enthusiast posting on a MAZDA rx8 sportscar forum. You cannot compare an STi to the highly styled refined rotary sportscar. When you do you start disagreement because the 2 cannot be compared on any equal measure. You should compare to the Evo which is your competetion. If you do, you will find the Evo outscores the Sti in it's automobile class. Most of us rx8 owners despise that class and the cars for many reasons as stated in this thread. That's why we don't buy them. I don't like my car compared to other cars outside of my class. I stick with real sportscars. My 8 compares very favorably, in it's class, to other more expensive sportscars. I'm sorry you bought a car that only has one other competetitor. I'm also sorry the Evo out scores your Sti in so many ways. But that's not my problem. It's yours and Subaru's problem.

BlueEyes

Sorry man, most 8 owners don't despise "that class" of vehicle. Most are intelligent enough to respect them for what they are, regardless of whether or not they offer what they want/need in a car. There are, however, a handful of loud, obnoxious, misinformed, retards scampering about this site, who go out of there way to bring up and put down the EVO/STI, or any other car for that matter, on a regular basis. You're one of them.

DARKMAZ8

Roaddemon

yeah, what you both said. Except I'm on the right side.

DARKMAZ8

^^^what u said

DARKMAZ8

Im with you 10000%

sti_eric

The main problem here are clueless RX-8 owners like yourself who go shooting off at the mouth about things they know nothing about. Check out this thread again...who is the one who starts off about the STi and Evo first? That would be you. Who is the one one who starts off the badmouthing in every other thread, that would be you. I think you will find that I generally don't start anything, I only respond after you say something stupid.

How many times does it have to be said? Based on the threads on this forum, there are MANY people who cross-shop the STi/Evo and the RX-8. Just because you don't like the comparison because the RX-8 comes out on the short end of the stick doesn't mean that the comparisons shouldn't be made. With the STi and Evo, you get more car. What it comes down to is the $5000-$10000 price difference between the STi/Evo and the RX-8 worth it to you? I said yes, my wife said no. But to say that the STi and Evo are just riced-out econoboxes is just pure ignorance (and it doesn't say much for the RX-8 if these riced-out econoboxes outperform your "pure sports car" on every level).

And, as Blue Eyes so rightly says, most people on here do not despise the STi/Evo. Most people on here are level-headed car enthusiasts, unlike yourself, who is nothing more than a Mazda rotary fanboi with blinders on.

It's funny how in other threads, you say that the STi is better than the Evo and now you are saying that the Evo is better than the STi. Which is it? Or, do you just like to antagonize?

Please list for me the more expensive sports cars that the RX-8 compares favorably to. This should be good for a laugh.