Sushi

I flooded my engine last night, by accidently turning it off while cold. I still have a 2 year warranty, but wonder if there is anything I can do to make it run so I can atleast drive it to the dealer. Anything I can do to make it start, it just keeps turning and never starts. ANY ideas will be great. Thanks.

DarkBrew

http://www.finishlineperformance.com...48-06-1691.pdf
Check page 11

NeoTuri

I got my Shinka to start today after neglecting it for 2 months. The car would just turn over and over and it sounded like it wasn't getting any spark...

It took 5 minutes of cranking (15 seconds with 30 sec breaks) and the assistance of another vehicle's battery, but it's running now.

Sushi

Ahh perfect, thanks, that helps

XRX8X

just a note if you know you are going to leave your 8 with out running it for more than two days be sure you rev it up at 3,500 rpm's for about four seconds after warm up to clear the fuel in the system and shut it down with out touching the gas . should fire ight up with no problems.i do it all the time .04 6spd.

Sushi

im still having no luck, my battery is fine, it just makes this spinning noise and wont turn over. Im trying some of the stuff in that guide now. *keeps fingers crossed.

whitebeau

It 'WONT TURN OVER' or is the starter working? My first guess is a Drained Battery. Get the battery charged, or get it jumped. Doing the flood start process will work, but making sure there's enough amperage in the battery to juice the starter which will (KEY PART) turn over the rotary fast enough to sweep out excess fuel & ignite properly if your in cold climate areas.

I recently bought a new battery since my 2004 had the original Mazda Battery, and never had a startup problem even when flooding. the Red Top Optima batterys are awesome.

But seriously, if you think depressing the gas pedal, the holding it down while starting it for 10 seconds isn't sweeping out the excess fuel. You can also pull the fuel injection fuse under the hood.

There's also a Mazda TSB on how the service techs handle these floods. Though i personally don't think adding 'oil' on the special intake ports is necessary. With enough repeats of the flood start process, the chamber should be able to get to a warm enough temperature to startup.

Other people have done a bypass to squirt windshield water fluid into these intake port holes. All this is really doing is helping the apex seals provide the needed seal typically provided by the oil that gets injected into the rotor housing to create compression during it's cycle.

You don't live in alaska do you?

So short version:

Make sure your battery is performing.... Viagra will not help, get cables if you don't have a battery charger in your garage .

If you live on a hill... the coasting trick should work also (Hillbillies) :P

Worse case scenario is your plugs are pretty fouled, and you might need to pull them and clean them out.


Hey i just read your post again, and if you still have the FACTORY warrenty? call the dealer, they might not be ******** and front the towing and the startup will be covered under warrenty if this is your first time. the De-Flood TSB instructs them to give you a verbal, and written solution guide for future events. So there is a get out of jail free 1st time provided by Mazda. Question in place is if the Dealer is nice about this.

mmats69

I remember flooding mine this time last year. Caught hell trying to get her running again but it finally cranked with the help of my neighbors car. I got new plugs and the starter/battery upgrade out of it. If you haven't had that update done, I highly recommend it.

RMZ290

Pull the plugs and check to see if they are flooded or have spark., replace?

Sushi

Well I finally got a call back from the mazda dealer. It was all covered under the powertrain warranty and they said the engine was not getting compression and needed a new starter, nothing about flooding. So then he tells me they are just going to put a new engine in and have it ready tommorrow.

Now this is my question, is that a good or bad thing. How well do the engines do that are placed in older cars with rotary? Also he said it would be a new one ( im sure a refited one, and not one right off the manufacturing line) so would this be a good thing since it will be a new engine with no miles on it? Instead of my current that has 50k?

Also is there anything I should look for or be concerned about so I dont get shafted or damage anything?

Rootski

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Hope you get a good one. Most remans aren't as high quality.

Startl_Respons

They are just going to put a new engine in? Am I missing something?

Sushi

That is what Im worried about, I want a good quality one atleast the same as the one I had.

Rootski

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Good luck. Your original Renesis was hand-built in the foothills of Mt. Fuji and massaged with kelp and coco butter. Your second one was rebuilt outside Seattle by a UAW retard with an angle grinder.

Scrapin 240

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ROFLMAO

Startl_Respons

Sushi, how do you go from a flooding to a need for a new engine? The details are not necessary to tell the forum audience after 9 days?

If you indeed flooded your engine, what does that have to do with the starter (I still have the old less powerful starter and it has never been an issue)? Either you didn't flood your car and you just made up the starter comment or the dealership just told you bs.

Before the "flooding," your engine was driving fine, right? And now it has no compression? Come on.

Tell us the truth of WHY your engine needed to be replaced. And tell us what you did to the car to get it to that state after only 50,000 miles.

Sushi

LOL I'm not lying. I thought I flooded it due to me acidently turning it off early. It would not start after that. It would just turn and turn. So I figured it was flooded. I think the starter went bad from me trying that dechoke procedure that mazda tells you to do. I didnt know there was a problem with the starter, the dealership said there was and said they needed to order a new one before they could check the rest of the engine.

Then they called me yesterday saying that the engine would not hold compression that they were going to put a new rebuilt one in. He said he didnt see any problems of flooding. This is what they told me, I have limited knowledge of engines so I don't know if he is giving me bs or not. I bought the car used only 3 months ago. So I don't know if it is related to the previous owner or from when I turned it off cold. I just assumed that it was flooding since it happened right after I turned it off cold, and what are the odds something else just happened to go bad at the same time?

I don't know why someone would lie on here when asking for advise, I didnt mean to leave out so many details. Anyways they said it should be ready today and its all covered under mazdas 60k power train warranty so atleast I don't have to pay for anything.

rotarygod

Did you try to pull start it? If it's flooded, this will start it everytime.

Socket7

Poor compression could keep an engine from starting as well as flooding the engine....

IT's covered under warranty, so I wouldn't be worried about them doing something fishy. Why would they scam themselves out of labor?

CTrx8

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you're actually in the right here. when you take your car in for flooding the dealers were supposed to replace the battery, starter, and plugs as part of the Engine Crank No Start TSB. http://www.finishlineperformance.com...48-06-1691.pdf

as for the new engine, you should have had a compression check as part of the 4206F recall (http://www.finishlineperformance.com...call4206F.pdf). if this hadn't been done they would have done this after checking for the campaign sticker when you took it in for flooding. if they ran that and found that it hit the proper criteria that required a new engine, they would have done so for you.

as to whether it's good or bad it's still up for debate. if you're planning on keeping it i would say it's a good thing b/c now you have a new engine. if you're trying to sell and someone sees that the engine has been replaced they might not see it that way and avoid the car.

Sushi

I plan on keeping the car atleast for another 4 or 5 years. I love the car, but that makes sense what you are saying about the 4206f RECALL, I dont think the previous owner got any of that done, so it looks like this could end up being a good thing, also when mazda gives you a new rebuilt engine, is it from Mazda or from a 3rd party?

CTrx8

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i'd be happy with it then except for the time you'll be without your 8 as they order and install the new engine.

Sushi

Well they called yesterday morning, and said it would be ready today, and they just got the starter in 2 days ago after having it for a week so I guess tonight I will see how it runs

reaper1

I find it hard to belief that you'll get your car back that fast with a new engine . Some other members have waited quite awhile ......

Good Luck ......

Sushi

well I'm wondering if in the week and a half that they had the car waiting for the starter to come in, if they didnt go on and order the engine as well, since like another said it seems like they are replacing it due to those recalls