What do you guys mean by smooth?
07-03-2006, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by The Ace
Having driven low RPM engines, high RPM ones, various SOHC and DOHC VTECs, french and italian 8Vs and 16Vs, and a 13B and a 13REW-powered cars, I am always amazed at the fact that I can be rapidly approaching the fuel-cut of the Renesis, and yet not even know it, if the MP3 is loud enough so that I don't hear the little buzzer 
Now that's "smooth"....
All the other stuff (linear power output, smooth gearbox etc etc) are just icing....
Now that's "smooth"....
All the other stuff (linear power output, smooth gearbox etc etc) are just icing....
07-03-2006, 07:46 PM
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Ok went out for a spin today. Did mostly relaxed driving and never felt any vibrations through the clutch. Did feel a small engine buzz through the accelerator though. The gearshift vibrated like regular.
Unrelated: I'm still having a little trouble getting my upshifts smooth. What is the best way to get rid of the jerk when upshifting without slipping the clutch?
Unrelated: I'm still having a little trouble getting my upshifts smooth. What is the best way to get rid of the jerk when upshifting without slipping the clutch?
07-03-2006, 10:27 PM
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About the unrelated:
When I shift I: foot off gas/clutch in, shift, clutch out about half way, start to give gas, and then finish the clutch. Seeing it typed it looks retarded, but when I do it i get a clean shift everytime.
But I think the RX-8 is definately the smoothest car I have owned. My 1990 240SX comes in second vs. the mazda6. I love the way the transmission sounds when youre downshifting into first coming to a stop just for like a stopsign. I love everything about this car.
When I shift I: foot off gas/clutch in, shift, clutch out about half way, start to give gas, and then finish the clutch. Seeing it typed it looks retarded, but when I do it i get a clean shift everytime.
But I think the RX-8 is definately the smoothest car I have owned. My 1990 240SX comes in second vs. the mazda6. I love the way the transmission sounds when youre downshifting into first coming to a stop just for like a stopsign. I love everything about this car.
07-03-2006, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Rinkadink
Ok went out for a spin today. Did mostly relaxed driving and never felt any vibrations through the clutch. Did feel a small engine buzz through the accelerator though. The gearshift vibrated like regular.
Unrelated: I'm still having a little trouble getting my upshifts smooth. What is the best way to get rid of the jerk when upshifting without slipping the clutch?
Unrelated: I'm still having a little trouble getting my upshifts smooth. What is the best way to get rid of the jerk when upshifting without slipping the clutch?
07-03-2006, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by limepro
press the gas to get up in rpms before letting go of the clutch with time u will learn where the rpms will be in each gear at speeds other than that you will feel a little bit of a pull which is normal unless you switch gears at the perfect rpm but what fun is that. also i read that you live in cali in 1 of your posts what part of cali?
Yeah see I've been doing that but I keep feeling like I'm wearing the clutch unecessarily. I saw a vid of a guy driving the 8 on a track agressively and he just either had the clutch on or off when upshifting. He never held it where it catches to get the clutch to catch smoothly. Anyway, I havn't smelled any burnt clutch yet soo I guess I'm doing ok. I'll keep working at it though.
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07-03-2006, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Rinkadink
Yeah see I've been doing that but I keep feeling like I'm wearing the clutch unecessarily. I saw a vid of a guy driving the 8 on a track agressively and he just either had the clutch on or off when upshifting. He never held it where it catches to get the clutch to catch smoothly. Anyway, I havn't smelled any burnt clutch yet soo I guess I'm doing ok. I'll keep working at it though.
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exception feathering the clutch on a launch.... it avoids wheelspin and axle hop... but has to be practiced....
4.5k to 5k works well... note. get your foot off the pedal..
but this has nothing to the smooth ? you ask. that was a high rpm thing, correct?
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07-03-2006, 11:04 PM
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Yeah at high rpms, especially in 1st and 2nd gear, it doesn't feel smooth because of the vibration. I guess I've been pampered by Auto tranny's that are free of tranny noise and vibration.
07-04-2006, 02:26 AM
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you actually have to try really hard to wear a clutch out, I've never had any trouble with a clutch ever, except the very few first times I was learning to drive and trying to start on a hill. and it was a rental too... hehe. I only know one person who has killed a clutch and it was already torn to crap by the previous owner when he bought it, it was an impreza RS and he later smashed it thinking he was good at street racing... dumbass...
Another fun trick to learn is how to learn to shift without the clutch (no I'm not joking), if you time it just right and know your tranny well (especially one that makes a lot of noise like this one) you can take it out of gear, then wait for the revs to fall and ease it into the next gear at exactly the right time without using the clutch at all. My dad can do it but I've never had the ***** to actually try it, I'd rather keep my gears in good shape.
One of the reasons you can hear the tranny so much is that it's right next to you, front wheel drive cars have the tranny too far from you to really hear anything
Another fun trick to learn is how to learn to shift without the clutch (no I'm not joking), if you time it just right and know your tranny well (especially one that makes a lot of noise like this one) you can take it out of gear, then wait for the revs to fall and ease it into the next gear at exactly the right time without using the clutch at all. My dad can do it but I've never had the ***** to actually try it, I'd rather keep my gears in good shape.
One of the reasons you can hear the tranny so much is that it's right next to you, front wheel drive cars have the tranny too far from you to really hear anything
07-04-2006, 10:32 AM
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When people like Jeremy Clarkson and so many others say the 8 is "smooth", they're referring to the smoothness of the rotary engine, which gives any rotary engine car a subtle yet distinctly different "feel" than a car powered by a traditional piston engine. With 4, 6, 8 or more pistons constantly starting and stopping their motion as they go up and down, up and down—over and over again—an engine with a spinning rotor is going to be, for lack of a better term, "smoother". It's intuitive. It's why the elliptical machine at the gym is smoother than the treadmill. It's why early Mazda commercials said (with sound effects) that ordinary engines go "boing, boing, boing" while the rotary engine goes "hmmmmmmm".
That's what people mean when they say "smooth".
That's what people mean when they say "smooth".
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07-04-2006, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Rinkadink
Yeah see I've been doing that but I keep feeling like I'm wearing the clutch unecessarily. I saw a vid of a guy driving the 8 on a track agressively and he just either had the clutch on or off when upshifting. He never held it where it catches to get the clutch to catch smoothly. Anyway, I havn't smelled any burnt clutch yet soo I guess I'm doing ok. I'll keep working at it though.
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07-05-2006, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Rinkadink
Just purchased an RX8 a few days ago and I have been driving it a ton everyday. I remember, before I purchased it, that everyone comment on how "smooth" the car is or how "smooth" the engine is. Jeremy Clarkson even went as far as to say that it feels like the car is running on "Double cream". What?
I mean through first and second gear I feel vibrations through the clutch, through, the steering wheel, and through the shifter. The car also makes all sorts of noise from the tranny and engine. What's smooth? Maybe if I shortshift at 35mph and cruise around in 3rd gear at 3000rpm then, yeah, it feels pretty smooth. Either way, first and second certainly don't feel smoother than anything else.
With the car in neutral and at a stop, if I rev the engine to 9k RPM its loud as hell and I feel little buzzing vibrations.
Drove my cousin's G35 today and that has a much smoother ride in my opinion.
Please explain, what about the car is soo smooth. Don't get me wrong, I love the car, just a little perplexed.
I mean through first and second gear I feel vibrations through the clutch, through, the steering wheel, and through the shifter. The car also makes all sorts of noise from the tranny and engine. What's smooth? Maybe if I shortshift at 35mph and cruise around in 3rd gear at 3000rpm then, yeah, it feels pretty smooth. Either way, first and second certainly don't feel smoother than anything else.
With the car in neutral and at a stop, if I rev the engine to 9k RPM its loud as hell and I feel little buzzing vibrations.
Drove my cousin's G35 today and that has a much smoother ride in my opinion.
Please explain, what about the car is soo smooth. Don't get me wrong, I love the car, just a little perplexed.
Originally Posted by SayNoToPistons
you got a lemon. i have a VQ35 in the Infiniti too and its nowhere near smooth compared to any rotary especially above 3.5krpm. the rx8 is about as smooth and easy to drive as you can get when it comes to sports touring cars.
07-05-2006, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Rinkadink
Yeah at high rpms, especially in 1st and 2nd gear, it doesn't feel smooth because of the vibration. I guess I've been pampered by Auto tranny's that are free of tranny noise and vibration.
07-05-2006, 01:13 PM
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Rinkadink, in regards to your upshifting...
while I tought myself stick on my 8, many of my friends have been driving MTs for years. I let them take my 8 for a spin (to let their jealousy grow to new levels), and they all comment that it has a very "tight clutch." Apparently there is a narrow band for your clutch to catch as opposed to some other cars that might have bigger "grace period" on their clutch. Either way, these experienced drivers end up jerking the car a lot more than they expect, and their ultra-critical-whining about my shifting habits suddenly disappears.
while I tought myself stick on my 8, many of my friends have been driving MTs for years. I let them take my 8 for a spin (to let their jealousy grow to new levels), and they all comment that it has a very "tight clutch." Apparently there is a narrow band for your clutch to catch as opposed to some other cars that might have bigger "grace period" on their clutch. Either way, these experienced drivers end up jerking the car a lot more than they expect, and their ultra-critical-whining about my shifting habits suddenly disappears.
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