what GT Wing looks good on our 8
04-21-2010 | 08:30 PM
#26
04-28-2010 | 01:07 AM
#29
just look at the veilside website... i think there is where it is supposed to be... IMO the type II is a little bit too big... I bought the type II but I don't know how it will look like...
04-28-2010 | 02:11 AM
#30
Mu ha.. ha...
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04-28-2010 | 03:56 PM
#34
how many actually need it and adjust it properly? many, many, many more people are just creating drag that they don't need to than are getting it to apply downforce they might need.
04-28-2010 | 04:05 PM
#35
There was a long article about this in Grassroots last month and I think and they grabbed random cars off the track and showed how they were not adjusted or installed correctly.
04-28-2010 | 04:21 PM
#36
Theres no reason to put a wing that big on any car....its just it brings more attention to your car.....i asked a ton of people and they think the wing looks cool on my car and they said yea.
To people that know about cars they will think its rice and if thats the case i didnt do it for them. People not into cars dont know about gt wings which actually making your car slower but when they see it they think it looks cool lol
To people that know about cars they will think its rice and if thats the case i didnt do it for them. People not into cars dont know about gt wings which actually making your car slower but when they see it they think it looks cool lol
What makes it worse is that you've got an ebay wing on your car, even "knowing" that it's only purpose is to bring attention...
These links will help you understand at least some of the basics of aero...
http://www.aprperformance.com/index....=134&Itemid=44
http://www.aprperformance.com/index....=132&Itemid=44
In general, this is the biggest issue I have with the typical "tuner" who uses a GT wing:
The greatest issue with aftermarket wings is how they are mounted; the typical "ebay" wing has posts pretty close together, to allow for a wide variety of applications. Try putting a little pressure on the wing while looking at the paint where it's mounted. You'll notice all that happens is the trunk flexing; now imagine 90mph wind applied widely across that wing. Do you really think any considerable downforce is making it through the flex in that trunk? A properly mounted wing will either connect at the most far out sides of the trunk or go straight down, either into the chassis, or into a reinforced mounting point. The lb/in on any given wing means nothing if it isn't applied to the chassis. Here are some proper examples of mounted wings that may actually provide some benefit at the track:
Those that repeat the "Wings are for planes" monicker for properly designed wings don't know what they're talking about.
04-28-2010 | 10:13 PM
#41
You don't know what you're talking about, at all, do you?
The greatest issue with aftermarket wings is how they are mounted; the typical "ebay" wing has posts pretty close together, to allow for a wide variety of applications. Try putting a little pressure on the wing while looking at the paint where it's mounted. You'll notice all that happens is the trunk flexing; now imagine 90mph wind applied widely across that wing. Do you really think any considerable downforce is making it through the flex in that trunk? A properly mounted wing will either connect at the most far out sides of the trunk or go straight down, either into the chassis, or into a reinforced mounting point. The lb/in on any given wing means nothing if it isn't applied to the chassis.
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The greatest issue with aftermarket wings is how they are mounted; the typical "ebay" wing has posts pretty close together, to allow for a wide variety of applications. Try putting a little pressure on the wing while looking at the paint where it's mounted. You'll notice all that happens is the trunk flexing; now imagine 90mph wind applied widely across that wing. Do you really think any considerable downforce is making it through the flex in that trunk? A properly mounted wing will either connect at the most far out sides of the trunk or go straight down, either into the chassis, or into a reinforced mounting point. The lb/in on any given wing means nothing if it isn't applied to the chassis.
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In some respects you are correct.......but have a look at a DP car and where the wings are mounted sometime....
The force will be OK as long as the trunk isn't flexing....The pedestals tend to be mounted where they have the best aero profile for the strength....
Not always on the outer side of the car...
Where would you think the force goes? There is always an equal and opposite reaction...so once the trunk flexes to max...the car will be pushed down.....otherwise the wing would keep going till it hit the ground
04-28-2010 | 10:44 PM
#42
You don't know what you're talking about, at all, do you?
What makes it worse is that you've got an ebay wing on your car, even "knowing" that it's only purpose is to bring attention...
These links will help you understand at least some of the basics of aero...
http://www.aprperformance.com/index....=134&Itemid=44
http://www.aprperformance.com/index....=132&Itemid=44
In general, this is the biggest issue I have with the typical "tuner" who uses a GT wing:
The greatest issue with aftermarket wings is how they are mounted; the typical "ebay" wing has posts pretty close together, to allow for a wide variety of applications. Try putting a little pressure on the wing while looking at the paint where it's mounted. You'll notice all that happens is the trunk flexing; now imagine 90mph wind applied widely across that wing. Do you really think any considerable downforce is making it through the flex in that trunk? A properly mounted wing will either connect at the most far out sides of the trunk or go straight down, either into the chassis, or into a reinforced mounting point. The lb/in on any given wing means nothing if it isn't applied to the chassis. Here are some proper examples of mounted wings that may actually provide some benefit at the track:
Those that repeat the "Wings are for planes" monicker for properly designed wings don't know what they're talking about.
What makes it worse is that you've got an ebay wing on your car, even "knowing" that it's only purpose is to bring attention...
These links will help you understand at least some of the basics of aero...
http://www.aprperformance.com/index....=134&Itemid=44
http://www.aprperformance.com/index....=132&Itemid=44
In general, this is the biggest issue I have with the typical "tuner" who uses a GT wing:
The greatest issue with aftermarket wings is how they are mounted; the typical "ebay" wing has posts pretty close together, to allow for a wide variety of applications. Try putting a little pressure on the wing while looking at the paint where it's mounted. You'll notice all that happens is the trunk flexing; now imagine 90mph wind applied widely across that wing. Do you really think any considerable downforce is making it through the flex in that trunk? A properly mounted wing will either connect at the most far out sides of the trunk or go straight down, either into the chassis, or into a reinforced mounting point. The lb/in on any given wing means nothing if it isn't applied to the chassis. Here are some proper examples of mounted wings that may actually provide some benefit at the track:
Those that repeat the "Wings are for planes" monicker for properly designed wings don't know what they're talking about.
In some respects you are correct.......but have a look at a DP car and where the wings are mounted sometime....
The force will be OK as long as the trunk isn't flexing....The pedestals tend to be mounted where they have the best aero profile for the strength....
Not always on the outer side of the car...
Where would you think the force goes? There is always an equal and opposite reaction...so once the trunk flexes to max...the car will be pushed down.....otherwise the wing would keep going till it hit the ground
The force will be OK as long as the trunk isn't flexing....The pedestals tend to be mounted where they have the best aero profile for the strength....
Not always on the outer side of the car...
Where would you think the force goes? There is always an equal and opposite reaction...so once the trunk flexes to max...the car will be pushed down.....otherwise the wing would keep going till it hit the ground
you see, I love people with constructive comments which would actually help you understand what you are doing right or wrong..
unlike this type of people who is childish and immature probably know nothing and just comment their heart out expecting people to laugh at their nonsense..
04-28-2010 | 11:18 PM
#43
Unfortunately, no. Application built spoilers by those brands above, yes, but simply because those manufacturers produce a wing does not mean its functional. Take a look at the APR on the miata below...
I agree about professional/racing cars, hence this statement: "A properly mounted wing will either connect at the most far out sides of the trunk or go straight down, either into the chassis, or into a reinforced mounting point."
Find me a street car who's trunk doesn't flex considerably?
This is the type of thing I'm talking about, one of my friend's old cars. What you don't see, is cracked paint and a deformed trunk. A spoiler mounted with the posts in the outer most spots wouldn't allow the trunk to flex. You're right about the trunk flexing only until a certain point lol. I've felt a few spoilers in person, though, and those mounted like the miata above flex a lot. I'd imagine you would have to be traveling very very fast to get to the point where the metal is not bending/curving any more.
Imagining a trunk flexing and spoiler hitting the ground did make me LOL though, haha
In some respects you are correct.......but have a look at a DP car and where the wings are mounted sometime....
The force will be OK as long as the trunk isn't flexing....The pedestals tend to be mounted where they have the best aero profile for the strength....
Not always on the outer side of the car...
Where would you think the force goes? There is always an equal and opposite reaction...so once the trunk flexes to max...the car will be pushed down.....otherwise the wing would keep going till it hit the ground
The force will be OK as long as the trunk isn't flexing....The pedestals tend to be mounted where they have the best aero profile for the strength....
Not always on the outer side of the car...
Where would you think the force goes? There is always an equal and opposite reaction...so once the trunk flexes to max...the car will be pushed down.....otherwise the wing would keep going till it hit the ground
Find me a street car who's trunk doesn't flex considerably?
This is the type of thing I'm talking about, one of my friend's old cars. What you don't see, is cracked paint and a deformed trunk. A spoiler mounted with the posts in the outer most spots wouldn't allow the trunk to flex. You're right about the trunk flexing only until a certain point lol. I've felt a few spoilers in person, though, and those mounted like the miata above flex a lot. I'd imagine you would have to be traveling very very fast to get to the point where the metal is not bending/curving any more.
Imagining a trunk flexing and spoiler hitting the ground did make me LOL though, haha
04-29-2010 | 12:51 AM
#45
APR mounts into the OEM holes for our car, I'd imagine that spot would be good enough (though they often design their spoiler to mount into the OEM points). If you've got a wingless trunk, I'd personally try to get a wing with the posts as far out to the sides as possible.
In the end, it won't really matter much, just try not to get a spoiler with posts super close together. For a safe functionality bet, go with the apr
In the end, it won't really matter much, just try not to get a spoiler with posts super close together. For a safe functionality bet, go with the apr
07-27-2014 | 12:58 AM
#49
rev it up
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I think there will be more aerodynamic benefit from adding underbody moulding to channel air. If you need more downforce then go for a spoiler.
I find the car needs more downforce on high speed corners (110 plus) with the back end wanting to kick out.
I find the car needs more downforce on high speed corners (110 plus) with the back end wanting to kick out.
