What no trip computer 'n' stuff
10-11-2005, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by mdaj
For everyone complaining about it is fine without it and thats its an stupid idea your nav is just as useless and your rotary accent package, as well as your leather seats, aero bits, fog lights, and any other stupid thing you add to the car. So seriously, it's options people would like for their car. If you don't like it then good for you.
2) rotary accent package: not even sure what it is, but I'd probably cede that one to you.
3) leather seats useless? Ha! Go read the thread about carrying dogs in the car!
4) I don't even know what aero bits are, but I'm not aware of having any.
5) fog lights is an interesting question. Do they actually *do* anything in fog or are they just to be 'cool'? I'm ignorant, myself, but they don't appear to do a whole lot that I can see. I might cede this one as well.
6) I haven't added any other stupid thing to my car, it is stock.
So, in short, I don't have anything useless on my car that I had any choice in, and those that truly are useless (like possibly the fog lights) I'd happily give back, consistent with my earlier argument. So don't try to paint my kettle as black, that fish don't swim.
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10-11-2005, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Krankor
1) nav is EXTREMELY useful, I wish I had it. Try finding *anything* in the Boston area, where there are no street signs, and then come back and tell me nav is useless.
2) 3) 4) 5) etc...
2) 3) 4) 5) etc...
Originally Posted by Krankor
5) fog lights is an interesting question. Do they actually *do* anything in fog or are they just to be 'cool'? I'm ignorant, myself, but they don't appear to do a whole lot that I can see. I might cede this one as well.
I am not sure how good the RX-8's stock fog lights are, in terms of sharpness of the cutoff and the wideness of the beam... but they appear quite a bit better than those on my last car.
10-11-2005, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Hyperborea
Besides if the RX-8 had a MPG computer it would shock most people too much.
And honestly, who needs a computer that tells him the estimated range for the current amount of fuel? Such things distract more than they help.
10-11-2005, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Krankor
1) nav is EXTREMELY useful, I wish I had it. Try finding *anything* in the Boston area, where there are no street signs, and then come back and tell me nav is useless.
2) rotary accent package: not even sure what it is, but I'd probably cede that one to you.
3) leather seats useless? Ha! Go read the thread about carrying dogs in the car!
4) I don't even know what aero bits are, but I'm not aware of having any.
5) fog lights is an interesting question. Do they actually *do* anything in fog or are they just to be 'cool'? I'm ignorant, myself, but they don't appear to do a whole lot that I can see. I might cede this one as well.
6) I haven't added any other stupid thing to my car, it is stock.
So, in short, I don't have anything useless on my car that I had any choice in, and those that truly are useless (like possibly the fog lights) I'd happily give back, consistent with my earlier argument. So don't try to paint my kettle as black, that fish don't swim.
Krankor
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2) rotary accent package: not even sure what it is, but I'd probably cede that one to you.
3) leather seats useless? Ha! Go read the thread about carrying dogs in the car!
4) I don't even know what aero bits are, but I'm not aware of having any.
5) fog lights is an interesting question. Do they actually *do* anything in fog or are they just to be 'cool'? I'm ignorant, myself, but they don't appear to do a whole lot that I can see. I might cede this one as well.
6) I haven't added any other stupid thing to my car, it is stock.
So, in short, I don't have anything useless on my car that I had any choice in, and those that truly are useless (like possibly the fog lights) I'd happily give back, consistent with my earlier argument. So don't try to paint my kettle as black, that fish don't swim.
Krankor
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2. Nothing but chrome on the million rotary designs on the car. :D
3. Do you need to carry dogs in your car? Get a blanket or find alternate transportation. Most find that if they carry their pets in their 8 they would prefer leather because it is an option that they would like and find useful.
4. Front lip, mud flaps, spoiler, you get the picture.
5. Astral answered.
6.
Im not being an *** or trying to fight. It's just that people are condeming others for wanting an option that they will find useful to them and you have all these others screaming it's a performance car and adding a paperclip to your car is detrimental to the cars performance. If you save weight you save an owl.
10-12-2005, 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by mdaj
1. Astral answered but here is my addition: Mapquest is just as good or go buy a city map. You don't need it but it's an option you want because you find it very useful.
2. Nothing but chrome on the million rotary designs on the car. :D
3. Do you need to carry dogs in your car? Get a blanket or find alternate transportation. Most find that if they carry their pets in their 8 they would prefer leather because it is an option that they would like and find useful.
4. Front lip, mud flaps, spoiler, you get the picture.
5. Astral answered.
6.
Im not being an *** or trying to fight. It's just that people are condeming others for wanting an option that they will find useful to them and you have all these others screaming it's a performance car and adding a paperclip to your car is detrimental to the cars performance. If you save weight you save an owl.
2. Nothing but chrome on the million rotary designs on the car. :D
3. Do you need to carry dogs in your car? Get a blanket or find alternate transportation. Most find that if they carry their pets in their 8 they would prefer leather because it is an option that they would like and find useful.
4. Front lip, mud flaps, spoiler, you get the picture.
5. Astral answered.
6.
Im not being an *** or trying to fight. It's just that people are condeming others for wanting an option that they will find useful to them and you have all these others screaming it's a performance car and adding a paperclip to your car is detrimental to the cars performance. If you save weight you save an owl.
Mind you, the whole issue would be a tempest in a teapot if options were really *optional*, i.e. you could pick and choose exactly what you want/don't want on your car. But they always bundle them together in *packages*. Grrrrrr.
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10-12-2005, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Krankor
I didn't take it as *** or fight. Indeed I appreciate the information you and Astral provided on the points on which I was unclear. I was simply defending myself from the accusation of how-dare-I-criticize-any-options-as-being-useless-when-I-obviously-must-have-my-own-car-loaded-up -up-with-useless-options.
Mind you, the whole issue would be a tempest in a teapot if options were really *optional*, i.e. you could pick and choose exactly what you want/don't want on your car. But they always bundle them together in *packages*. Grrrrrr.
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Mind you, the whole issue would be a tempest in a teapot if options were really *optional*, i.e. you could pick and choose exactly what you want/don't want on your car. But they always bundle them together in *packages*. Grrrrrr.
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10-12-2005, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Astral
Fog lights are only useful in low-speed (probably less than 30mph) conditions of dense fog.....
Of course, there the inverse law to this: The numb-nut will be mesmerized and drawn to the lights, increasing the chances of an accident!
Guess maybe it's time for someone to get a huge government grant to do a complete study on this.
10-12-2005, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by VBprogrammer666
I agree with you on that. I also use my fog lights at night as supplemental driving lights to my headlights even when it's not foggy out. I figure that all of these lights increase the chance that some numb-nut will see me better and not pull out right in front of me. Hopefully this will decrease the chance for an accident.
Of course, there the inverse law to this: The numb-nut will be mesmerized and drawn to the lights, increasing the chances of an accident!
Guess maybe it's time for someone to get a huge government grant to do a complete study on this.
Of course, there the inverse law to this: The numb-nut will be mesmerized and drawn to the lights, increasing the chances of an accident!
Guess maybe it's time for someone to get a huge government grant to do a complete study on this.
In clear conditions, more foreground light is not a good thing, it's a bad thing. Some foreground light is necessary so you can use your peripheral vision to see where you are relative to the road edges, the lane markings and that pothole 10 feet in front of your left wheels. But foreground light is far less safety-critical than light cast well down the road into the distance, because at any significant speed (much above 30 mph), what's in the foreground is too close for you to do much about. If you increase the foreground light, your pupils react to the bright, wide pool of light by constricting, which in turn substantially reduces your distance vision—especially since there's no increase in down-the-road distance light to go along with the increased foreground light. It's insidious, because high levels of foreground light give the illusion, the subjective impression, of comfort and security and "good lighting".
10-12-2005, 01:49 PM
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If you hook up a canscan to the car, you'll see it already has a MPG computer. So why didn't Mazda want to show it? Maybe because people would really see how poor of mileage this car gets!
10-12-2005, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Astral
Yeah, I think it does increase your visibility to others somewhat. However, you have to balance THAT vs the fog lights decreasing your far-distance visibility. As this fog light info page explains:
In clear conditions, more foreground light is not a good thing, it's a bad thing. Some foreground light is necessary so you can use your peripheral vision to see where you are relative to the road edges, the lane markings and that pothole 10 feet in front of your left wheels. But foreground light is far less safety-critical than light cast well down the road into the distance, because at any significant speed (much above 30 mph), what's in the foreground is too close for you to do much about. If you increase the foreground light, your pupils react to the bright, wide pool of light by constricting, which in turn substantially reduces your distance vision—especially since there's no increase in down-the-road distance light to go along with the increased foreground light. It's insidious, because high levels of foreground light give the illusion, the subjective impression, of comfort and security and "good lighting".Which is why, as much as they look cool when on at night, I drive with my fogs off almost all the time (at least they look cool while off at daytime), except for foggy conditions at low speeds.
In clear conditions, more foreground light is not a good thing, it's a bad thing. Some foreground light is necessary so you can use your peripheral vision to see where you are relative to the road edges, the lane markings and that pothole 10 feet in front of your left wheels. But foreground light is far less safety-critical than light cast well down the road into the distance, because at any significant speed (much above 30 mph), what's in the foreground is too close for you to do much about. If you increase the foreground light, your pupils react to the bright, wide pool of light by constricting, which in turn substantially reduces your distance vision—especially since there's no increase in down-the-road distance light to go along with the increased foreground light. It's insidious, because high levels of foreground light give the illusion, the subjective impression, of comfort and security and "good lighting".
Hmmmm. This may be the most useful post I've ever seen on this site. I think I'm going to change my habits. Thanks, Astral!
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