NoRotorNoMotor

What tires are you guys using?

The 8 is better than it's "tests" - Because the "tests" are using the shitty tires that came on the car.

Slap some real tires on your '8'and wake up!
(Direzza Z1 *'s)

shazy

interesting. Cayenne S are fast for an SUV. 1st and 2nd gear is where they shine For sure they'll take any RX8 in first.

Anyway, I think that guy on youtube (who used to be a member here) Versus4582's car is actually pretty damn fast. He measured his car with a Gtech and got 13.9 0-100mph with some shitty *** tires and bad roads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9TVc...eature=channel

When he got new tires and still a crap road.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRq-CJ4lvBA

IMO I think that's pretty good. Better than most N/A cars.

Marklar

Of course the Cayenne S is fast. It's a ******* Porsche.

YaXMaNGTO

All this talk now about the Cayenne S??? LOL
Rufus and DRFT are right.

Hey shazy... are you mistaking Cayenne S with the Cayenne Turbo S? Two very different SUV's... 340hp or 385hp for the S vs 550hp for the Turbo S.

So, the fastest times I could find for a 2008 Cayenne S (4.8L V8 385hp) is 0-60 in 6.0 seconds and quarter of 14.5 at 98mph. The pre-2008 Cayenne S (4.5L V8 340hp) would do 0-60 in 6.6 seconds and quarter of 15.0 at 93mph.

No, he could have said a 2008 Accord EX-L V6 6MT is FASTER than a Porsche Cayenne S.
That Accord will do 0-60 in 5.9 seconds and quarter 14.5 at 99.8mph... the sedan is just a tick slower... regardless, definitely as fast.

Were you thinking a "Porsche Cayman S" and not a " Porsche Cayenne S"? Just a a 2,000+ lb curbweight difference.

LOL!!!

Point is a 2008 Cayenne S will probably end up eating a stock RX8. Not too bad, but it should take it. A 2007 or earlier Cayenne S would a very hard time with an RX8, and it could be really close.

Cayenne Turbo S? Ugly.

05rx8mazda

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lol what are people complaining about.. it is dumb comparing this car... It has some great qualities and some bad qualities.. Its shitty froma dig.. looks friggin sexi... nice space.. great handling.. **** poor fuel economy! eats throught tires.. has unique engine that rotates... anything else i forget??????

DRFTGTO

Yes it is almost perfect, but IMO the motor let it down, sure its unique, but burning more gas then a 6.0L V8 and getting worse fuel economy and burning oil while returning very low HP and almost no torque. And its only weighs about 150lbs less too. In my mind that is too big of a flaw to overcome. However if the LS swap kit becomes a reality then i will be in the market for a white rx8 shell in a year or so. White is too sexy on these cars. Then jjust slam it on some black TE-37s and it will be the perfect car

megaman

I went at it with a Cayenne turbo S, started pulling really really slow on it around 4th gear 110mph +. We started around 65mph so im sure the results would be different from a dig as i suck at 1st to 2nd gear shifting

DRFTGTO

See this is one of those situations the OP was talking about. The cayenne turbo s was definitaly not going at it. And a rx8 going full out is a light acceleration for a turbo S.

Let me put this in perspective. A stock SRT8 jeep can run 12.9s all day. And A Cayenne Turbo S is faster then that. And especially top end wise like from a roll. The gear ratios are far better suited on the porsche for that kind of stuff.

Or idk maybe it was a V6 Cayenne with turbo s badges?

josuar88

MANNN RX8S THE **** LOL. Its looks fast so people will always test it to make sure and it makes them feel better when they beat something they think is faster than there car plain and simple. Also to the GTO guys its kind of sad that you need so many cylinders and liters to only produce 400hp stock when most Japanese companies can do it with less and maybe with the help of a turbo and still get better gas mileage thats why GM went bankrupt. The only reason ford stayed a float because well there Ford and they been around long enough to know change is good and when something broke to fix it.

DRFTGTO

You sir are a typical ignorant import car fanboi. I respect all ways of making power and when shopping for my car i cross shopped not only big stupid old technology V8s, but i was looking at EVOs, WRXs, S2000s and even supras(could not afford a decent one)

And you laugh at our gas mileage whereas you get even worse fuel economy in an engine about 10% our size, and get no where near the power even when turboed(which further reduces the already terrible fuel economy) and stock have no where near the torque and even supercharged cannot even compete for low end torque. Oh your motor weighs less? your right about 150 pounds less congrats.

Rotary motors are great in racing applications since they are usually super reliable because of the low number of actual moving parts. But how many RX8s do you see here on their second or third motor?

ANd yes you do put out well over 100hp a liter. But lets take your car and compare it to a slightly built EVO(might as well since your already comparing yourself to V8s the apples to oranges aspects have been started)

When one of my friends had a GT35R EVO that put out about 550whp and drove my car he LOVED it, everytime. The power is there from 1500 rpm. On the highway when you are going 80mph in 6th gear at 2000RPM(while returning around 30mpg, yes very inneficient from 6.0litres) and you need to pass someone, there is no need for a downshift, the torque will take care of that.

ANd yes 400hp from 6.0 Litres is hardly creative, but its a reliable 400hp that has a meaty powerband and since it has been around for a while there is a huge aftermarket and many many people people and shops that can work on it and fix it for next to nothing. When something goes wrong you know what it is since every problem has already been had with these OLD STUPID HUGE innefficient motors and there is a know recipe to cure whatever problem may arise.

And just look at the responsiveness to mods of these inneficient old pos motors. With just the right cam and full exhaust i can see a 100hp gain for under $2000. You would be lucky to see that kind of gain from a Turbo kit and even then you would not be putting down the kind of numbers my old V8 does STOCK and reliably.

In the end there are many ways you can go about making power. Everyone chooses their own way for their own reasons. Bashing them because they have different priorities then yourself is just pure ignorance.

(end rant)

josuar88

I understand that both sides of the fence offer there goods and bads where most foreign cars get no power or toqure down low and where most V8s have a 6.5 red-line compared to most foreign cars that have a 7000 or more red-line. I'm not saying that one is better than the other but you have to admit that foreign cars bring style looks and funcuality to all there cars I mean where domestics lack on one of the three every time. I mean you see all the time where GM or Ford makes one car that can compete with the super cars but theres more foreign super cars then there are domestic ones why is that? I mean they've been making cars way longer than most anyone one else yet only have a couple Kentucky derby winners?

syntheticdarkness

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I like the looks of the GTO, G8, new camero, won't argue with that. Looks are there and so is power.

josuar88

Im going to support my foreign brands since I was born over seas and am fighting for peoples freedom to chose what they want. So no beef with you man I just wanted to say what I wanted to point out thats all

syntheticdarkness

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Everyone has there own opinion. I've only owned 2 american cars, and about 20 foreign cars, where as my dad had an 69 built camero and my uncle's where mustang people, same with my brother. I love the 8, and whatever people say good or bad that's them and not me.

syntheticdarkness

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Oh, and by the way they were the grand am and the grand prix.

josuar88

never owned a domestic car unless you count my saab since gm owns them

syntheticdarkness

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I still consider it foreign. If I were to buy another domestic it would be pontiac, always been a fan of them.

Vlaze

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What the *bleep*?

How the hell did a Cayenne get tossed into this?

I have to say, how far people go off or debate on the topic amuses me.

"Fast" is subjective. There is fast, faster, and fastest. Is the Rx8 fast? That's opinionated based on your own feelings. For myself, yes it is fast and that's the only opinion I care about as your own should be the only one you care about.

syntheticdarkness

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+1, plus you should know after being on this site how everything gets sideswiped so easy.

JinDesu

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I bought this car to have a comfortable sports car, that looks good, gives me room for my parents to sit in (I'm asian, I have short parents), is a blast to drive, and isn't as common as the Evo's in my area.

Is it slow? I don't think so, and I don't do drag racing, stop light racing, etc. I'll redline on my way onto ramps or on highways, but that's because I like to take care of my engine. Is it fast? Not in a straight line it isn't, but it's nowhere near as slow as some people make it out to be as the OP stated.

Not in this thread though, a lot of people have blinders on or something. Both Yaxmangto and DriftGTO have made good posts, some of you just really can't see it.

fuztupnz

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Man, this thread has gone crazy. To get back to the OP, I don't know that people generally want to race because they think the 8 is slow, they just want to race anyone. They see the an 8 and think that it's driver wants to race too. Maybe they just want to hear it wind up? Probably, they're just an *** and see that it's low, looks fast (subjective -flame suit on) and has two shiny exhausts tips, and think "hey they'll want to run too" Not disrespect, just a measure of their ***** length. Kind of their way of saying. Let's all put our dicks on the table to see who's biggest. It's just easier when you hide behind a car.

adamwzl

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^Haha but its always the ones who loose the ***** on the table game that prefer to try and race at every stop light.

Brettus

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Correction : fuel economy is identical in a turboed 8 to an NA 8 (except when boosting of course). In actual fact it may be a little better due to the ability to tune and run a little leaner at cruise.
And I would argue that we do get very close to v8 power and torque as well .

YaXMaNGTO

^^^ yah. I mean just look at Brettus' sig.
333whp. Torque is a bit lower, there's the proof right there. It can be done, but I don't think too many folks are going to manage to match his setup.

JinDesu

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Because a lot of people aren't as dedicated. But then again, there are a quite of people just below those numbers too, in the FI club. And then there are a few above those numbers as well!