2010/2011 RX-7 Motortrend article
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What it seems mazda tends to do is give you a very well setup car with a competitive weight/hp ratio.
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300 would put them up in the same range as the rally cars, which are considered to be fast. I consider that participating - though not on the same scale as a 500 hp corvette (but that's another price class).
Exactly my point. You don't need a lot of power for a nice handling car. Just look at the Miata... Mazda doesn't even seem to know what horse power is.
Exactly my point. You don't need a lot of power for a nice handling car. Just look at the Miata... Mazda doesn't even seem to know what horse power is.
you are talking 2 different things here. Up there with the rally cars? you mean the AWD econoboxs from mitsu and subaru? If you haven't check out their next gen cars they are poised to jump in the horsepower range to the mid 300's just like the Z car. Problem is they are all jumping in weight as well.
Be it the RX8, 7, miata, next rotary car...you will NOT have as much HP as others in their price class or any other comperable comparison you want to make. you will have a very similar weight/hp ratio. That is NOT competing in the HP wars. Like I said, if Mazda were competing in HP wars their next motor would be shooting for mid 3 to 400hp. I would be very willing to bet they don't go for that. I bet they give you more like ~9:1 weight:hp and call it a day. That puts them right a bit ahead of the caymenS (Porsche's true track car) but not quite up with the 997 (show pony/night club cruiser) and in a 2700lb car is right around 300bhp.
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Be it the RX8, 7, miata, next rotary car...you will NOT have as much HP as others in their price class or any other comperable comparison you want to make. you will have a very similar weight/hp ratio. That is NOT competing in the HP wars. Like I said, if Mazda were competing in HP wars their next motor would be shooting for mid 3 to 400hp. I would be very willing to bet they don't go for that. I bet they give you more like ~9:1 weight:hp and call it a day. That puts them right a bit ahead of the caymenS (Porsche's true track car) but not quite up with the 997 (show pony/night club cruiser) and in a 2700lb car is right around 300bhp.
If you read my post that mentioned horse power war, you'll notice it's just my wishful thinking, since people are apparently just making up wish lists.
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As nice as a bigger engine with more power/torque would be, I'd MUCH rather have a 2400lb car with the current Renesis than a 2800-2900 lb car with 300+hp.
Another reason weight reduction should be the absolute top priority is that Mazda needs a way to differentiate the new RX-7 from the 350Z. If it is 600-800lbs lighter, I think that alone will generate sales. If it is too similar to the 350Z (heavy car/big engine), I don't see what the appeal would be for most buyers.
Another reason weight reduction should be the absolute top priority is that Mazda needs a way to differentiate the new RX-7 from the 350Z. If it is 600-800lbs lighter, I think that alone will generate sales. If it is too similar to the 350Z (heavy car/big engine), I don't see what the appeal would be for most buyers.
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As nice as a bigger engine with more power/torque would be, I'd MUCH rather have a 2400lb car with the current Renesis than a 2800-2900 lb car with 300+hp.
Another reason weight reduction should be the absolute top priority is that Mazda needs a way to differentiate the new RX-7 from the 350Z. If it is 600-800lbs lighter, I think that alone will generate sales. If it is too similar to the 350Z (heavy car/big engine), I don't see what the appeal would be for most buyers.
Another reason weight reduction should be the absolute top priority is that Mazda needs a way to differentiate the new RX-7 from the 350Z. If it is 600-800lbs lighter, I think that alone will generate sales. If it is too similar to the 350Z (heavy car/big engine), I don't see what the appeal would be for most buyers.
Using the current renesis elsewhere would be great but I want to see the technological possibilities of this motor and this company since they have been given the funding to do a "blank sheet" refresh of the motor. This could be very exciting.
I agree that I would be extatic to see a ~24-2500lb next gen but I just don't see it happening I think it is going to almost HAVE to be ~2700lbs because of the extra equipment that is going to be required to meet crash safety standards.
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Yeah, I agree that 2600-2700lbs is probably closer to what we might realistically expect if Mazda actually did make a new RX-7, I just wanted to emphasize the importance of weight reduction.
Also, I don't think the new Z will reach 3500lbs (in coupe form). I'd wager a good sum of money that it will be heavier that the car it replaces, but not by that large an amount.
Also, I don't think the new Z will reach 3500lbs (in coupe form). I'd wager a good sum of money that it will be heavier that the car it replaces, but not by that large an amount.
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Yeah i saw the newest Motortrend at the barbershop and i came across the article about " Future shock: Perfromance sports cars" . They were showing all the new sports cars for the next five years , anything from the Sti to the new Ferrari F460. Well they had pictures of all the new cars that were coming out, but for Mazda , they had a box talking about the next RX-7 and how the fans want there iconic car to come back and how Mazda is listening now.
They said there target is to keep the next RX-7 light , sleek and sexy. Also target Hp is 300HP N/A.( IMO i think Mazda will shoot for 320-350 but have 300 as there base if all else fails. )
But the article said we should see our next beloved rotary car somewhere in 2010/2011.
I don't know about you guys but this makes me wanting to buy a used Z-06, new Camaro, or even purchasing a GT-R skyline on hold. I am looking to buy a one of these rides by 2009 , keepng my 8, but if there are photos of the next RX-7, and it catches my eye, i will be purchasing a 7. My 8 is my first rotary but it sure won't be my last.
Also motortrend online only has half of the article online so you will have to see the full article in the mag.
They said there target is to keep the next RX-7 light , sleek and sexy. Also target Hp is 300HP N/A.( IMO i think Mazda will shoot for 320-350 but have 300 as there base if all else fails. )
But the article said we should see our next beloved rotary car somewhere in 2010/2011.
I don't know about you guys but this makes me wanting to buy a used Z-06, new Camaro, or even purchasing a GT-R skyline on hold. I am looking to buy a one of these rides by 2009 , keepng my 8, but if there are photos of the next RX-7, and it catches my eye, i will be purchasing a 7. My 8 is my first rotary but it sure won't be my last.
Also motortrend online only has half of the article online so you will have to see the full article in the mag.
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If it gets heavier than the car it replaces how is it NOT going to get 3500lbs? The stripped down model is ~3340lbs and the Grand Touring model is 3400. And yes thats the coupe...according to Nissan themselves....
If you put a lightweight exhaust on a base or sport model RX8 you are literally 300lbs lighter than a base 350Z AND you have a limited slip diff.
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SHOCK!...
Here is some news hot off the press from Down Under, I called in at the local Mazda Dealer a few hours ago and the word out from their chief mechanic who has just come back from a Service Managers meeting interstate and the word is there will be NO new Rotary EVER!...the RX-8 is the last!!!
He would not elaborate any further...other than the RENESIS has had too many issues (problems)...
I do not know what to think?
Here is some news hot off the press from Down Under, I called in at the local Mazda Dealer a few hours ago and the word out from their chief mechanic who has just come back from a Service Managers meeting interstate and the word is there will be NO new Rotary EVER!...the RX-8 is the last!!!
He would not elaborate any further...other than the RENESIS has had too many issues (problems)...
I do not know what to think?
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SHOCK!...
Here is some news hot off the press from Down Under, I called in at the local Mazda Dealer a few hours ago and the word out from their chief mechanic who has just come back from a Service Managers meeting interstate and the word is there will be NO new Rotary EVER!...the RX-8 is the last!!!
He would not elaborate any further...other than the RENESIS has had too many issues (problems)...
I do not know what to think?
Here is some news hot off the press from Down Under, I called in at the local Mazda Dealer a few hours ago and the word out from their chief mechanic who has just come back from a Service Managers meeting interstate and the word is there will be NO new Rotary EVER!...the RX-8 is the last!!!
He would not elaborate any further...other than the RENESIS has had too many issues (problems)...
I do not know what to think?
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SHOCK!...
Here is some news hot off the press from Down Under, I called in at the local Mazda Dealer a few hours ago and the word out from their chief mechanic who has just come back from a Service Managers meeting interstate and the word is there will be NO new Rotary EVER!...the RX-8 is the last!!!
He would not elaborate any further...other than the RENESIS has had too many issues (problems)...
I do not know what to think?
Here is some news hot off the press from Down Under, I called in at the local Mazda Dealer a few hours ago and the word out from their chief mechanic who has just come back from a Service Managers meeting interstate and the word is there will be NO new Rotary EVER!...the RX-8 is the last!!!
He would not elaborate any further...other than the RENESIS has had too many issues (problems)...
I do not know what to think?
My salesman told me that a new RX-8 may be out next year, but guess what, no magazine on this planet has mentioned of any news of that nature.
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SHOCK!...
Here is some news hot off the press from Down Under, I called in at the local Mazda Dealer a few hours ago and the word out from their chief mechanic who has just come back from a Service Managers meeting interstate and the word is there will be NO new Rotary EVER!...the RX-8 is the last!!!
He would not elaborate any further...other than the RENESIS has had too many issues (problems)...
I do not know what to think?
Here is some news hot off the press from Down Under, I called in at the local Mazda Dealer a few hours ago and the word out from their chief mechanic who has just come back from a Service Managers meeting interstate and the word is there will be NO new Rotary EVER!...the RX-8 is the last!!!
He would not elaborate any further...other than the RENESIS has had too many issues (problems)...
I do not know what to think?
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Mazda stated themselves that 300HP is there base target in the article. If Mazda said that why would they shoot for anything less. Doesn't and wouldn't make sense.
With technology getting better , Mazda could further upon the Renisis motor. Look at the current Renisis now, it makes 232HP in N/A form compared to its FD counterpart that made 255HP with TWIN TURBOS, not one turbo but two!
Thats 23HP more than our N/A rotary, and it used two turbos to get that 255HP goal.
And you guys really think Mazda couldn't give us a base line 300HP rotary? You guys are nuts or either you have a few brain cells that have died.
And as far as fuel econemy, what rotary that you know of gets good gas milage?
Its the nature of the beast......
With technology getting better , Mazda could further upon the Renisis motor. Look at the current Renisis now, it makes 232HP in N/A form compared to its FD counterpart that made 255HP with TWIN TURBOS, not one turbo but two!
Thats 23HP more than our N/A rotary, and it used two turbos to get that 255HP goal.
And you guys really think Mazda couldn't give us a base line 300HP rotary? You guys are nuts or either you have a few brain cells that have died.
And as far as fuel econemy, what rotary that you know of gets good gas milage?
Its the nature of the beast......
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time for some thoughs:
for any one to speak of the rx-8's future he has to look in to the past, most of us know how the renesis came to be, it was develop with almost no funds and using old tecnology, the engine was firts used in the rx-01 in 1995 and was developed to become what we know as the renesis, this was done by rotary engineers in there spare time and as volunteers with no pay for there work. And look what they obtained, the engine is more powerfull than an fc turbo engine in NA form and this with a lot of problems to get the engine to meet emissions( this is where the lack of funds bites you in the ***)
Fast foward to today; the rx-8 its mazda second or third best selling rotary car of all time, mazda has publicly said it was developing a new rotary engine, this means the rotary engineers are getting funded and their ideas are being put to the test, so the sky is the limit(and emissions)
Mazda has notice that no matter how practical they make a car if it has a rotary in it, it is going to sell only to a limited market, so I belive they are going to make a pure sports car, they may or may not call it rx-7, I really dont care
what performance should we be thinking of? Mazda has allways shoot for porche cars except with the rx-8, so look for cayman levels of performance
But there is another thing, given the sucses of the rx-8 do you thing mazda is going to discontinued it? I dont think so, they only need to drop the new engine in it, and give it a face lift, make some interior changes and thats it, call it the second gen rx-8
for any one to speak of the rx-8's future he has to look in to the past, most of us know how the renesis came to be, it was develop with almost no funds and using old tecnology, the engine was firts used in the rx-01 in 1995 and was developed to become what we know as the renesis, this was done by rotary engineers in there spare time and as volunteers with no pay for there work. And look what they obtained, the engine is more powerfull than an fc turbo engine in NA form and this with a lot of problems to get the engine to meet emissions( this is where the lack of funds bites you in the ***)
Fast foward to today; the rx-8 its mazda second or third best selling rotary car of all time, mazda has publicly said it was developing a new rotary engine, this means the rotary engineers are getting funded and their ideas are being put to the test, so the sky is the limit(and emissions)
Mazda has notice that no matter how practical they make a car if it has a rotary in it, it is going to sell only to a limited market, so I belive they are going to make a pure sports car, they may or may not call it rx-7, I really dont care
what performance should we be thinking of? Mazda has allways shoot for porche cars except with the rx-8, so look for cayman levels of performance
But there is another thing, given the sucses of the rx-8 do you thing mazda is going to discontinued it? I dont think so, they only need to drop the new engine in it, and give it a face lift, make some interior changes and thats it, call it the second gen rx-8
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time for some thoughs:
for any one to speak of the rx-8's future he has to look in to the past, most of us know how the renesis came to be, it was develop with almost no funds and using old tecnology, the engine was firts used in the rx-01 in 1995 and was developed to become what we know as the renesis, this was done by rotary engineers in there spare time and as volunteers with no pay for there work. And look what they obtained, the engine is more powerfull than an fc turbo engine in NA form and this with a lot of problems to get the engine to meet emissions( this is where the lack of funds bites you in the ***)
Fast foward to today; the rx-8 its mazda second or third best selling rotary car of all time, mazda has publicly said it was developing a new rotary engine, this means the rotary engineers are getting funded and their ideas are being put to the test, so the sky is the limit(and emissions)
Mazda has notice that no matter how practical they make a car if it has a rotary in it, it is going to sell only to a limited market, so I belive they are going to make a pure sports car, they may or may not call it rx-7, I really dont care
what performance should we be thinking of? Mazda has allways shoot for porche cars except with the rx-8, so look for cayman levels of performance
But there is another thing, given the sucses of the rx-8 do you thing mazda is going to discontinued it? I dont think so, they only need to drop the new engine in it, and give it a face lift, make some interior changes and thats it, call it the second gen rx-8
for any one to speak of the rx-8's future he has to look in to the past, most of us know how the renesis came to be, it was develop with almost no funds and using old tecnology, the engine was firts used in the rx-01 in 1995 and was developed to become what we know as the renesis, this was done by rotary engineers in there spare time and as volunteers with no pay for there work. And look what they obtained, the engine is more powerfull than an fc turbo engine in NA form and this with a lot of problems to get the engine to meet emissions( this is where the lack of funds bites you in the ***)
Fast foward to today; the rx-8 its mazda second or third best selling rotary car of all time, mazda has publicly said it was developing a new rotary engine, this means the rotary engineers are getting funded and their ideas are being put to the test, so the sky is the limit(and emissions)
Mazda has notice that no matter how practical they make a car if it has a rotary in it, it is going to sell only to a limited market, so I belive they are going to make a pure sports car, they may or may not call it rx-7, I really dont care
what performance should we be thinking of? Mazda has allways shoot for porche cars except with the rx-8, so look for cayman levels of performance
But there is another thing, given the sucses of the rx-8 do you thing mazda is going to discontinued it? I dont think so, they only need to drop the new engine in it, and give it a face lift, make some interior changes and thats it, call it the second gen rx-8
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time for some thoughs:
for any one to speak of the rx-8's future he has to look in to the past, most of us know how the renesis came to be, it was develop with almost no funds and using old tecnology, the engine was firts used in the rx-01 in 1995 and was developed to become what we know as the renesis, this was done by rotary engineers in there spare time and as volunteers with no pay for there work. And look what they obtained, the engine is more powerfull than an fc turbo engine in NA form and this with a lot of problems to get the engine to meet emissions( this is where the lack of funds bites you in the ***)
Fast foward to today; the rx-8 its mazda second or third best selling rotary car of all time, mazda has publicly said it was developing a new rotary engine, this means the rotary engineers are getting funded and their ideas are being put to the test, so the sky is the limit(and emissions)
Mazda has notice that no matter how practical they make a car if it has a rotary in it, it is going to sell only to a limited market, so I belive they are going to make a pure sports car, they may or may not call it rx-7, I really dont care
what performance should we be thinking of? Mazda has allways shoot for porche cars except with the rx-8, so look for cayman levels of performance
But there is another thing, given the sucses of the rx-8 do you thing mazda is going to discontinued it? I dont think so, they only need to drop the new engine in it, and give it a face lift, make some interior changes and thats it, call it the second gen rx-8
for any one to speak of the rx-8's future he has to look in to the past, most of us know how the renesis came to be, it was develop with almost no funds and using old tecnology, the engine was firts used in the rx-01 in 1995 and was developed to become what we know as the renesis, this was done by rotary engineers in there spare time and as volunteers with no pay for there work. And look what they obtained, the engine is more powerfull than an fc turbo engine in NA form and this with a lot of problems to get the engine to meet emissions( this is where the lack of funds bites you in the ***)
Fast foward to today; the rx-8 its mazda second or third best selling rotary car of all time, mazda has publicly said it was developing a new rotary engine, this means the rotary engineers are getting funded and their ideas are being put to the test, so the sky is the limit(and emissions)
Mazda has notice that no matter how practical they make a car if it has a rotary in it, it is going to sell only to a limited market, so I belive they are going to make a pure sports car, they may or may not call it rx-7, I really dont care
what performance should we be thinking of? Mazda has allways shoot for porche cars except with the rx-8, so look for cayman levels of performance
But there is another thing, given the sucses of the rx-8 do you thing mazda is going to discontinued it? I dont think so, they only need to drop the new engine in it, and give it a face lift, make some interior changes and thats it, call it the second gen rx-8
These are key points that all of us have been addressing and to me it seems like Mazda is finally listening.