Any new Mazda Rotary? RX 8, RX-9 RX-??
#52
The 16x engine is already shelved.
The dimensions may live on, but the "16x" iteration of the rotary will never see production. It was pre-SkyActive, and the Sky-R isn't going to be the same engine at all.
The dimensions may live on, but the "16x" iteration of the rotary will never see production. It was pre-SkyActive, and the Sky-R isn't going to be the same engine at all.
#53
This is a premix thread so forgive the content here,just wanted to clear some air here.
Last edited by gwilliams6; 09-12-2013 at 08:12 AM.
#54
The engine number designation doesn't really matter. What matters is that Mazda will have a new rotary RX7 not RX9, based on a stretched MX5 platform. A dedicated two-seater (except in Japan where there will be an obligatory small rear seat). The engine will be a larger displacement with improved fuel economy and perhaps the first production laser ignition . Mazda is taking its time till 2017 to get it right and also to build capital with the success of it's highly-regarded skyactiv cars. I am sure this rotary engine, with its first-ever in a rotary direct injection will be a stunner and address many of the rotary's shortcomings. Word from my friends at Mazda North America is that Mazda is shooting for close to 300 HP in normal aspiration. I am sure we will see some styling possibility "leaked" out in the next couple of years. I for one are saving my pennies to be ready for 2017. The rotary engine is the soul of Mazda and what put it on the automotive map. It will be their new flagship car.
This is a premix thread so forgive the content here,just wanted to clear some air here.
This is a premix thread so forgive the content here,just wanted to clear some air here.
#55
Now lets stop talking the next car and get back to talking premix please.
#56
As for MNAO they do not make the cars there, they are a DISTRIBUTION branch of MMC Japan, just like ANY of their distributors around the world.
There is still NOTHING in the planning for any actual new rotary model....
There is still NO business case for one, Mazda does not make cars just for the USA, Europe economy is still in the crap heap, and USA is still riding on a dream of real growth.
Obviously IF and when there is one it will be off the ND MX-5, just like all recent RX-'s share platforms, in fact all of then from memory (nothing new there).
#59
there is only 2 pages here. so just glitch that pearl seems to have fixed with his deletion.
on topic- Ash don't be such a pessimist. there WILLL be another rx car they are working on it keep the faith man!!!
on topic- Ash don't be such a pessimist. there WILLL be another rx car they are working on it keep the faith man!!!
#60
Hmm, why do people think the wankel engine is such a niche product in its very nature?
Whole lot fewer engineering challenges to make a wankel run on hydrogen or anything else than an otto, Right there, that makes it worth keeping alive as an engineering concept.
So much of this thread has, correctly, pointed out how things learned through the development of Sky-Active will find their way into the RX program (just as the gram strategy used first for the third-gen MX-5 made its way into Sky-Active). Things being talked about for the next RX engine (direct injection, laser ignition, et al) could easily find their way into the otto cycle program at Mazda. Unit costs can be higher for the RX because we will pay (within reason) what we have to have one, so the RX program makes a nice stalking horse for the otto cycle program.
That the talk has been so consistent about using the MX-5 platform means a significant production cost is being addressed in a way that also puts in place certain limits for the engineers. I see that as a sign of intent to make progress. Progress, of course does not necessarily flow from intentions, but whenever Mazda does it, it means more.
Whole lot fewer engineering challenges to make a wankel run on hydrogen or anything else than an otto, Right there, that makes it worth keeping alive as an engineering concept.
So much of this thread has, correctly, pointed out how things learned through the development of Sky-Active will find their way into the RX program (just as the gram strategy used first for the third-gen MX-5 made its way into Sky-Active). Things being talked about for the next RX engine (direct injection, laser ignition, et al) could easily find their way into the otto cycle program at Mazda. Unit costs can be higher for the RX because we will pay (within reason) what we have to have one, so the RX program makes a nice stalking horse for the otto cycle program.
That the talk has been so consistent about using the MX-5 platform means a significant production cost is being addressed in a way that also puts in place certain limits for the engineers. I see that as a sign of intent to make progress. Progress, of course does not necessarily flow from intentions, but whenever Mazda does it, it means more.
#61
because its so simple. piston engines being more complex have many many more variables that can be more easily manipulated to get your desired outcome. wankels are practically unchangeable one manufactured by comparison
#62
Gone are; flip up headlights, 70 vacuum lines, sequential twin turbos and peripheral exhaust ports.
Paul.
#63
Current new car sales stats just out for Europe and total car sales (most brands) are still going back-wards (except Mazda CX-5 and 6)....that is almost 6 years of zero growth.
USA are still 2 million (new car units) a year behind it's best before the GFC.
Until there is actual growth in Europe/Japan there will not be a green light for any new RE/RX.
Just in passing I heard today that it appears world Banks/Lenders have not learned any lessons about loaning out money, according to our news (TV) an economist said that high risk lending (loans/finance) has crept back to even higher levels than before the GFC!!!...the old hockey stick J curve in the past 2 years.
Meanwhile the USA and Europe keeps printing new money....more debt.
Hyperinflation anyone.
Look out here comes another crash.
USA are still 2 million (new car units) a year behind it's best before the GFC.
Until there is actual growth in Europe/Japan there will not be a green light for any new RE/RX.
Just in passing I heard today that it appears world Banks/Lenders have not learned any lessons about loaning out money, according to our news (TV) an economist said that high risk lending (loans/finance) has crept back to even higher levels than before the GFC!!!...the old hockey stick J curve in the past 2 years.
Meanwhile the USA and Europe keeps printing new money....more debt.
Hyperinflation anyone.
Look out here comes another crash.
#64
As you are close to my heart (As a younger brother), I must make this correction: The next rotary car if it gets the green light WILL be called RX-7. It will be the proper successor in the family. The name is iconic, and arguably LEGENDARY!
Gone are; flip up headlights, 70 vacuum lines, sequential twin turbos and peripheral exhaust ports.
Paul.
Gone are; flip up headlights, 70 vacuum lines, sequential twin turbos and peripheral exhaust ports.
Paul.
#65
Current new car sales stats just out for Europe and total car sales (most brands) are still going back-wards (except Mazda CX-5 and 6)....that is almost 6 years of zero growth.
USA are still 2 million (new car units) a year behind it's best before the GFC.
Until there is actual growth in Europe/Japan there will not be a green light for any new RE/RX.
Just in passing I heard today that it appears world Banks/Lenders have not learned any lessons about loaning out money, according to our news (TV) an economist said that high risk lending (loans/finance) has crept back to even higher levels than before the GFC!!!...the old hockey stick J curve in the past 2 years.
Meanwhile the USA and Europe keeps printing new money....more debt.
Hyperinflation anyone.
Look out here comes another crash.
USA are still 2 million (new car units) a year behind it's best before the GFC.
Until there is actual growth in Europe/Japan there will not be a green light for any new RE/RX.
Just in passing I heard today that it appears world Banks/Lenders have not learned any lessons about loaning out money, according to our news (TV) an economist said that high risk lending (loans/finance) has crept back to even higher levels than before the GFC!!!...the old hockey stick J curve in the past 2 years.
Meanwhile the USA and Europe keeps printing new money....more debt.
Hyperinflation anyone.
Look out here comes another crash.
Just look at the way yen goes lately u know something is up.
#66
Could this new Mazda RWD platform evolve into the next RX-*?
Early Mazda MX-5 / Alfa Romeo Spider Prototype Spotted - Motor Trend WOT
Early Mazda MX-5 / Alfa Romeo Spider Prototype Spotted - Motor Trend WOT
#67
Current new car sales stats just out for Europe and total car sales (most brands) are still going back-wards (except Mazda CX-5 and 6)....that is almost 6 years of zero growth.
USA are still 2 million (new car units) a year behind it's best before the GFC.
Until there is actual growth in Europe/Japan there will not be a green light for any new RE/RX.
Just in passing I heard today that it appears world Banks/Lenders have not learned any lessons about loaning out money, according to our news (TV) an economist said that high risk lending (loans/finance) has crept back to even higher levels than before the GFC!!!...the old hockey stick J curve in the past 2 years.
Meanwhile the USA and Europe keeps printing new money....more debt.
Hyperinflation anyone.
Look out here comes another crash.
USA are still 2 million (new car units) a year behind it's best before the GFC.
Until there is actual growth in Europe/Japan there will not be a green light for any new RE/RX.
Just in passing I heard today that it appears world Banks/Lenders have not learned any lessons about loaning out money, according to our news (TV) an economist said that high risk lending (loans/finance) has crept back to even higher levels than before the GFC!!!...the old hockey stick J curve in the past 2 years.
Meanwhile the USA and Europe keeps printing new money....more debt.
Hyperinflation anyone.
Look out here comes another crash.
Wouldn't be surprised if a war starts when China want's us to pay our surpassed loans.
#68
RX Power
Could this new Mazda RWD platform evolve into the next RX-*?
Early Mazda MX-5 / Alfa Romeo Spider Prototype Spotted - Motor Trend WOT
Early Mazda MX-5 / Alfa Romeo Spider Prototype Spotted - Motor Trend WOT
#69
That the talk has been so consistent about using the MX-5 platform means a significant production cost is being addressed in a way that also puts in place certain limits for the engineers. I see that as a sign of intent to make progress. Progress, of course does not necessarily flow from intentions, but whenever Mazda does it, it means more.
so its been done before, and it makes some practical sense to do it again.
actually some really great cars have come from parts bins, the miata, the 1st Rx7, some of the classic british cars from the 50s, etc.
#70
It's fundamentally the same as police departments commissioning a Interceptor from Ford, where Ford uses the Crown Vic platform with Interceptor specific parts. Only in this case the car is going to get a different brand name and many components will be supplied by Alpha (Engine, transmission, electronics, interior, etc...)
I agree with the other points though.
#72
The Renesis was developed in the NC chassis. Many of us have, for years, been prompting Mazda to put the Renesis2 in the NC, even if a limited production run. They would easily sell at least a few thousand.
The subframes have identical mounting points, the rear diff mounting is identical, the ECUs are very similar with all the non-engine stuff, the wiring harnesses are similar, etc... It would be very very simple for the factory to put together. I expect the problem would be with the legal side of things, emissions and crash testing. Not that it wouldn't pass, just that Mazda would have to pay for that all over again.
The subframes have identical mounting points, the rear diff mounting is identical, the ECUs are very similar with all the non-engine stuff, the wiring harnesses are similar, etc... It would be very very simple for the factory to put together. I expect the problem would be with the legal side of things, emissions and crash testing. Not that it wouldn't pass, just that Mazda would have to pay for that all over again.
#73
WOWIE.................
What is this beauty..................?
Mazda Auto Adapt: LA Design Challenge 2013 Photo Gallery - Autoblog
What is this beauty..................?
Mazda Auto Adapt: LA Design Challenge 2013 Photo Gallery - Autoblog
#74
The Renesis was developed in the NC chassis
The SE(FE) platform was in production for 2 years before the NC was production born.
The NC MX-5 was developed off the RX-8...Not the other way around.
Most of the NC suspension parts are the same as RX-8, however they are all lighter in their construction, so they are not technically identical, but they will install.
As for the electrics, nothing is the same, the only parts which are identical are some globes, fuses and flasher (indicator can) module...