Edmunds IL News on Next RX7 and RX9
02-21-2009, 04:20 PM
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02-21-2009, 04:41 PM
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Agreed,
A PR Guy (Jeremy) in any distributor, either in Australia, Europe, US gets to actually know whats coming about 6 months out, apart from that they know next to nothing.
They PR what is here now, not in the Future...because they don't know.
The only ones who would have a hint would be the Distributors CEO's, O'Sullivan MNAO, Dickson MA, Muir ME.
As we know Mazda are "developing" many technologies ALL the time, but does not mean they will eventuate into production models.
Dealers know nothing until about the same time.
Only rumour...
03-18-2009, 04:26 PM
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03-19-2009, 08:12 AM
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I only posted it to support the current rumors/articles of a new rx8 with the 16X and transmission upgrade. More proof it will be a reality. The new engine been in the works for awhile as well as a new body design.
I hope the pricing is reasonable because I like my rx8 the way it is and It's paid for. Also after all the reflash/tsb issues with current 8 I will not buy a 1st year model again. I seems I was getting a reflash or recall done every oil change the first 3 years. I have an 04. I will exercise prudence when the new car comes out. If it is as good as the present rx8 I will buy it used in it's 2nd or 3rd year.
03-19-2009, 05:43 PM
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No not really... remember the NC MX-5/Miata is a shortened RX-8 platform. Even things like rear end and stabilizer bars in the suspension are interchangeable.
03-25-2009, 06:53 AM
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When the decision was made to go with the B-pillar--less design for the RX-8, it was calculated that this decision would also add an extra 176 lbs of extra weight. They had previously decided that the back seats would add 220 lbs. Most of the time, I wish I didn't have that extra 400 lbs of weight with me. So here's hoping for an 16x RX-7 option for when my kids are in college.
03-25-2009, 06:46 PM
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Yea really hope they go back towards the RX7 two seater. The back two seats are worthless. And i wonder if the 16x is gonna be as big of a beast to try and get hp out of as the renesis is. Its nothing compared to the REW.
03-30-2009, 09:40 AM
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Keep in mind that IF we see another RX-7 (or any other new rotary car for that matter), people are still going to complain that it's slower than the competition, doesn't make enough power, and isn't the cheapest option out there. It doesn't matter if the engine makes 300 hp, people will complain that it doesn't make 400. It doesn't matter if the engine gets 25 mpg. People will complain that it doesn't do 30 mpg. Think this won't happen? Take a look at the RX-8! It outhandles every generation of RX-7! It makes over 50 hp more than the last naturally aspirated RX-7. Don't compare it to a turbo engine. You can turbocharge a dog turd and make it fast. Take a look at an Evo or WRX if you don't believe me. Even though the RX-8 weighs more than every RX-7 and has a far more useless rear end ratio, it still gets comparable mileage to the RX-7's which means it is more efficient. It does this with less emissions too.
My hope isn't that a new RX-7 arrives. My hope is that when it does, we won't have any crybabies complaining about what it's not. I'll tell you right now that there will still be a more powerful car in it's catagory, that it still won't get a catagory best in fuel economy, even if it is improved, and it may not even be the cheapest in it's catagory. What it will be though is fun and balanced which is what Mazda is good at. So here's hoping we see one and that people won't cry about it when we get it.
My hope isn't that a new RX-7 arrives. My hope is that when it does, we won't have any crybabies complaining about what it's not. I'll tell you right now that there will still be a more powerful car in it's catagory, that it still won't get a catagory best in fuel economy, even if it is improved, and it may not even be the cheapest in it's catagory. What it will be though is fun and balanced which is what Mazda is good at. So here's hoping we see one and that people won't cry about it when we get it.
03-30-2009, 09:54 AM
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Those belly-aching about how useless the backseats are .....
....have never seen the priceless look on oh so many Porsche, 350Z, misc other no back seat/useless 2+2 seat ... car owner's faces at trackside as I deftly remove 4x 255/40/17 R-Comps wheels/tires along with laptop, food, weekend luggage from the backseat....with plenty of extra spaces leftover..... then continue with floor jack, complete toolbox, oil, brake fluid, racing helmet, camera mount, folding chair with canope top, some tarps, 10ft chain & padlock, and more from the RX-8 "black hole of storage"
...useless back seat my foot
....have never seen the priceless look on oh so many Porsche, 350Z, misc other no back seat/useless 2+2 seat ... car owner's faces at trackside as I deftly remove 4x 255/40/17 R-Comps wheels/tires along with laptop, food, weekend luggage from the backseat....with plenty of extra spaces leftover..... then continue with floor jack, complete toolbox, oil, brake fluid, racing helmet, camera mount, folding chair with canope top, some tarps, 10ft chain & padlock, and more from the RX-8 "black hole of storage"
...useless back seat my foot
03-30-2009, 09:56 AM
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keep in mind that if we see another rx-7 (or any other new rotary car for that matter), people are still going to complain that it's slower than the competition, doesn't make enough power, and isn't the cheapest option out there.
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My hope isn't that a new rx-7 arrives. My hope is that when it does, we won't have any crybabies complaining about what it's not. I'll tell you right now that there will still be a more powerful car in it's catagory, that it still won't get a catagory best in fuel economy, even if it is improved, and it may not even be the cheapest in it's catagory. What it will be though is fun and balanced which is what mazda is good at. So here's hoping we see one and that people won't cry about it when we get it.
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My hope isn't that a new rx-7 arrives. My hope is that when it does, we won't have any crybabies complaining about what it's not. I'll tell you right now that there will still be a more powerful car in it's catagory, that it still won't get a catagory best in fuel economy, even if it is improved, and it may not even be the cheapest in it's catagory. What it will be though is fun and balanced which is what mazda is good at. So here's hoping we see one and that people won't cry about it when we get it.
03-30-2009, 10:11 AM
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Those belly-aching about how useless the backseats are .....
....have never seen the priceless look on oh so many Porsche, 350Z, misc other no back seat/useless 2+2 seat ... car owner's faces at trackside as I deftly remove 4x 255/40/17 R-Comps wheels/tires along with laptop, food, weekend luggage from the backseat....with plenty of extra spaces leftover..... then continue with floor jack, complete toolbox, oil, brake fluid, racing helmet, camera mount, folding chair with canope top, some tarps, 10ft chain & padlock, and more from the RX-8 "black hole of storage"
...useless back seat my foot
....have never seen the priceless look on oh so many Porsche, 350Z, misc other no back seat/useless 2+2 seat ... car owner's faces at trackside as I deftly remove 4x 255/40/17 R-Comps wheels/tires along with laptop, food, weekend luggage from the backseat....with plenty of extra spaces leftover..... then continue with floor jack, complete toolbox, oil, brake fluid, racing helmet, camera mount, folding chair with canope top, some tarps, 10ft chain & padlock, and more from the RX-8 "black hole of storage"
...useless back seat my foot
03-30-2009, 12:38 PM
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When the decision was made to go with the B-pillar--less design for the RX-8, it was calculated that this decision would also add an extra 176 lbs of extra weight. They had previously decided that the back seats would add 220 lbs. Most of the time, I wish I didn't have that extra 400 lbs of weight with me. So here's hoping for an 16x RX-7 option for when my kids are in college.
So who's good with a Sawzall?
03-30-2009, 02:49 PM
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keep in mind that if we see another rx-7 (or any other new rotary car for that matter), people are still going to complain that it's slower than the competition, doesn't make enough power, and isn't the cheapest option out there. It doesn't matter if the engine makes 300 hp, people will complain that it doesn't make 400. It doesn't matter if the engine gets 25 mpg. People will complain that it doesn't do 30 mpg. Think this won't happen? Take a look at the rx-8! It outhandles every generation of rx-7! It makes over 50 hp more than the last naturally aspirated rx-7. Don't compare it to a turbo engine. You can turbocharge a dog turd and make it fast. Take a look at an evo or wrx if you don't believe me. Even though the rx-8 weighs more than every rx-7 and has a far more useless rear end ratio, it still gets comparable mileage to the rx-7's which means it is more efficient. It does this with less emissions too.
My hope isn't that a new rx-7 arrives. My hope is that when it does, we won't have any crybabies complaining about what it's not. I'll tell you right now that there will still be a more powerful car in it's catagory, that it still won't get a catagory best in fuel economy, even if it is improved, and it may not even be the cheapest in it's catagory. What it will be though is fun and balanced which is what mazda is good at. So here's hoping we see one and that people won't cry about it when we get it.
My hope isn't that a new rx-7 arrives. My hope is that when it does, we won't have any crybabies complaining about what it's not. I'll tell you right now that there will still be a more powerful car in it's catagory, that it still won't get a catagory best in fuel economy, even if it is improved, and it may not even be the cheapest in it's catagory. What it will be though is fun and balanced which is what mazda is good at. So here's hoping we see one and that people won't cry about it when we get it.
03-30-2009, 03:05 PM
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Where do you get these numbers? Do you seriously believe that the back seat area amounts to 400lbs of the car's weight? That seems way off. It's a little sheet metal (some aluminum) with some foam seats inside. I would guess one or the other of those numbers (say 176lbs) would be closer to the actual weight saved, but not both added together 
03-30-2009, 03:21 PM
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And if it were true, my God, they could oh so easily make the RX-7 replacement RIGHT NOW, have the weight at 2650lbs, use the same freaking underpowered RENESIS they have now, and make it a far better performance vehicle. That would be so silly easy it would be a no brainer. It would satisfy the lack-of-grunt power critics, produce a far superior handling car, and save money in the process. Wake up Mazda! Make the RX-8 and the RX-8 Lite, yippie!!!
03-30-2009, 03:58 PM
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"The next RX-7's transmission is also all new. It's a twin-clu-"
Instantly lost my interest. I've done my homework on all of the new cars in the $30K price range. There's only one car I would seriously consider selling my RX8 for and thats the new Camaro SS. I won't be getting it for at least another year though so hopefully I can see the new rotary car before I get too antsy and buy the Camaro.
Props to Mazda for their determination to not let the rotary engine die. Its only been out a short time compared to the conventional piston engine and has already made a huge name for itself (good or bad).
Instantly lost my interest. I've done my homework on all of the new cars in the $30K price range. There's only one car I would seriously consider selling my RX8 for and thats the new Camaro SS. I won't be getting it for at least another year though so hopefully I can see the new rotary car before I get too antsy and buy the Camaro.
Props to Mazda for their determination to not let the rotary engine die. Its only been out a short time compared to the conventional piston engine and has already made a huge name for itself (good or bad).
03-30-2009, 04:12 PM
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I still can't see it. BTW the rear glass would be there anyway, the aluminum rear door shell weighs 21Lbs, the entire rear seats are ~26lbs, carpet & headliner 5 lbs maybe. The main weight is the extra roof steel and the steel body pan extension & beefed up side sill, but I can't imagine 300+ lbs for that.
And if it were true, my God, they could oh so easily make the RX-7 replacement RIGHT NOW, have the weight at 2650lbs, use the same freaking underpowered RENESIS they have now, and make it a far better performance vehicle. That would be so silly easy it would be a no brainer. It would satisfy the lack-of-grunt power critics, produce a far superior handling car, and save money in the process. Wake up Mazda! Make the RX-8 and the RX-8 Lite, yippie!!!
And if it were true, my God, they could oh so easily make the RX-7 replacement RIGHT NOW, have the weight at 2650lbs, use the same freaking underpowered RENESIS they have now, and make it a far better performance vehicle. That would be so silly easy it would be a no brainer. It would satisfy the lack-of-grunt power critics, produce a far superior handling car, and save money in the process. Wake up Mazda! Make the RX-8 and the RX-8 Lite, yippie!!!
We can also do this the other way. Take a NC Miata, which is really a piston powered, convertible RX-8 lite. Trade the softtop for a welded roof. The NB coupe that Mazda produced had a net gain of 10 pounds when the softtop was traded for a roof so the weight will be around 2500 pounds still. You then have 150 pounds to swap the MZR for a 13B-MSP, beef up the drivetrain, and use bigger brakes and somewhat upsized suspension components. The Renesis and MZR are within a few pounds of each other, the oil cooler hardware probably adds 20 pounds, we use the same transmission now, I think we use the same differential as well, and comparing torque figures the drivetrain probably won't need much strengthening. Therefore, we have around 130 pounds to use on suspension and brakes and maybe trying to get more trunkspace. Yes the NC is narrower, but if you compare tracks, you'll notice that the difference in track, 10mm, is exactly the difference in wheel offset between the two cars so the width is just reformed steel bodywork. It's doable.
As for the 2 seater rotary; didn't Mazda already have a prototype running, but they decided against building it? The market for sports cars is finicky after all.