Marine has RX-8 and Purple Heart STOLEN!
09-18-2007, 02:51 PM
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Ah jeez, don't get so up in arms about this. Notice the quotes? I was pointing out that the word "shrapnel" has become misused over the years. This was a WWI-era weapon involving a charge that detonated above ground and spewed little steel ***** all over the battlefield. AFAIK it has not been used since..
Ah jeez, don't get so up in arms about this. Notice the quotes? I was pointing out that the word "shrapnel" has become misused over the years. This was a WWI-era weapon involving a charge that detonated above ground and spewed little steel ***** all over the battlefield. AFAIK it has not been used since..
are you serious- do you really believe that explosive devices designed to explode above ground and "spew" bits of SHRAPNEL around to decimate a target have not been used since WW1?
google "bouncing betty" or "jumping mine"
how about http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m67.htm
or something really new
http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/fu...uzed-bomb.html
all designed to explode in the air and damage surrounding targets with SHRAPNEL. nearly every anti-personnel weapon deployed uses shrapnel. and its not like shrapnel was invented in ww1. "grape shot" and "cannister" used during the US Civil War were shrapnel devices
for that matter similar rounds are still fired from our tanks to this day
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ions/m1028.htm
09-18-2007, 03:24 PM
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what kind of a lowlife steal's a Marine's car?! I hope this guy trys to sell the car on this forum and some of us go pay him a "visit".
09-18-2007, 03:28 PM
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This sucks to hear. I hope the police put some sort of effort into retrieving the car. If they view this as a "normal car theft" - guaranteed he'll never get it back.
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09-18-2007, 04:16 PM
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If he did leave his doors unlocked, keys in the car... It's a very bad habit to get into - no matter where you are in the world. I've gotten into the habit of locking my doors unknowingly when I get out. It doesn't take any longer than normal and could save a bit of trouble in the long run.
My friend's pontiac grandam was stolen because he'll leave his doors unlocked and you really didn't need a key to get the car started in the first place.
It's a shame what people will do if people are in the military. It's sickening to think that where'd act unappricated towards those that - could have - given their life for their country. Any country, and I don't meant this specificly towards USA. Some places it's worse, some it's generally better.
...But then again I thank people for picking up my garbage or dropping off my mail to my house if I see them. *shrugs*
My friend's pontiac grandam was stolen because he'll leave his doors unlocked and you really didn't need a key to get the car started in the first place.
It's a shame what people will do if people are in the military. It's sickening to think that where'd act unappricated towards those that - could have - given their life for their country. Any country, and I don't meant this specificly towards USA. Some places it's worse, some it's generally better.
...But then again I thank people for picking up my garbage or dropping off my mail to my house if I see them. *shrugs*
09-19-2007, 10:21 AM
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GOOD NEWS and bad news
GOOD NEWS- Car has been recovered- thief is in jail
Bad news- Dress blues et al still missing
http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp...&nav=menu117_3
GOOD NEWS- Car has been recovered- thief is in jail
Bad news- Dress blues et al still missing
http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp...&nav=menu117_3
09-19-2007, 10:31 AM
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Hopefully, they're @ the dumba$$'s house. Maybe he'll be a little responsible for his actions and just tell them what he did w/ the dress blues. He's already in deep ****, ya know.
09-19-2007, 10:39 AM
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09-19-2007, 10:45 AM
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OK...I dont really like to get into these discussions, and it is a little off topic, but I have 2 friends with purple hearts. They didn't get them for some superficial wound received outside combat, nor could they have. The PH is not given out lightly, and it is a very high award...I am not sure but somewhere around number 5-ish (Correct me if i am wrong). It is a very high profile award that is scrutinized very keenly by everyone involved in the process of giving it out. So i happen to take a little offense at someone just blindly saying he "...sounds like an officer....they get a scratch on the eye outside of combat in a warzone and purple hearts get thrown their way". May have happened back in the days of 'Nam, but not anymore. Also, i have personally received this so called non-existent shrapnel...if it isn't shrapnel what is it, and why do the doctors call it that? BTW< No i dont have a Purple Heart, as the shrapnel received was not in a combat zone, nor would I have even taken it in case it POSSIBLY was offered.
Also, on a side note, one of my 2 friends with a purple heart got his for "shrapnel to his hand"...he also has shrapnel in his eye, back, arm, left leg, and chest...it simply wasnt mentioned in his warrant...
Also, on a side note, one of my 2 friends with a purple heart got his for "shrapnel to his hand"...he also has shrapnel in his eye, back, arm, left leg, and chest...it simply wasnt mentioned in his warrant...
09-19-2007, 10:58 AM
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are you serious- do you really believe that explosive devices designed to explode above ground and "spew" bits of SHRAPNEL around to decimate a target have not been used since WW1?
google "bouncing betty" or "jumping mine"
how about http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m67.htm
or something really new
http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/fu...uzed-bomb.html
all designed to explode in the air and damage surrounding targets with SHRAPNEL. nearly every anti-personnel weapon deployed uses shrapnel. and its not like shrapnel was invented in ww1. "grape shot" and "cannister" used during the US Civil War were shrapnel devices
for that matter similar rounds are still fired from our tanks to this day
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ions/m1028.htm
google "bouncing betty" or "jumping mine"
how about http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m67.htm
or something really new
http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/fu...uzed-bomb.html
all designed to explode in the air and damage surrounding targets with SHRAPNEL. nearly every anti-personnel weapon deployed uses shrapnel. and its not like shrapnel was invented in ww1. "grape shot" and "cannister" used during the US Civil War were shrapnel devices
for that matter similar rounds are still fired from our tanks to this day
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ions/m1028.htm
Tha's why war sucks.
No matter how good you are......
No matter how smart you are.......
You can not escape inhumane ways of death from Shrapnel.
God needs to be on your side in order to survive war.
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09-19-2007, 11:11 AM
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I REALLY hope the dress blues are at the suspects house.
09-19-2007, 05:30 PM
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Every air to air missile is designed to work as shrapnel also. Every granade works like that also. That's why they have that weird texture. Modern design makes the casing become the shrapnel and not reall necesary for it to explode in mid air. shrapnel is actually a primary or secondary (depending on what it is) means of achiving its goal.
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09-19-2007, 05:54 PM
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Not the kind of welcome home any Marine should have. 
That said, The person who stole it probably didn't know it was a marines car. He might know if he finds the purple heart, but chances are they wont go looking.
To those who say "he left the keys in it" or "he left it unlocked" Thats just damn ignorant. You have no idea what this guy's habits are, none of us do, and it's stupid to be speculating like that.
If a thief likes your car, they will steal it. If you have a cheap car, then cheap thieves can steal your car by smashing a window and shorting the ignition. If you drive a fancy car, then a fancy thief can steal your car with dealer keys or by loading it onto the back of a truck and driving off.
I hope he gets his 8 and his purple heart back. What a miserable way to come back home.
PS: If the guy who got hit with shrapnel, called it shrapnel, I'm not going to question that it is indeed called shrapnel. Dictionaries be damned.
That said, The person who stole it probably didn't know it was a marines car. He might know if he finds the purple heart, but chances are they wont go looking.
To those who say "he left the keys in it" or "he left it unlocked" Thats just damn ignorant. You have no idea what this guy's habits are, none of us do, and it's stupid to be speculating like that.
If a thief likes your car, they will steal it. If you have a cheap car, then cheap thieves can steal your car by smashing a window and shorting the ignition. If you drive a fancy car, then a fancy thief can steal your car with dealer keys or by loading it onto the back of a truck and driving off.
I hope he gets his 8 and his purple heart back. What a miserable way to come back home.
PS: If the guy who got hit with shrapnel, called it shrapnel, I'm not going to question that it is indeed called shrapnel. Dictionaries be damned.
09-20-2007, 01:10 AM
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are you serious- do you really believe that explosive devices designed to explode above ground and "spew" bits of SHRAPNEL around to decimate a target have not been used since WW1?
google "bouncing betty" or "jumping mine"
how about http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m67.htm
or something really new
http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/fu...uzed-bomb.html
all designed to explode in the air and damage surrounding targets with SHRAPNEL. nearly every anti-personnel weapon deployed uses shrapnel. and its not like shrapnel was invented in ww1. "grape shot" and "cannister" used during the US Civil War were shrapnel devices
for that matter similar rounds are still fired from our tanks to this day
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ions/m1028.htm
google "bouncing betty" or "jumping mine"
how about http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m67.htm
or something really new
http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/fu...uzed-bomb.html
all designed to explode in the air and damage surrounding targets with SHRAPNEL. nearly every anti-personnel weapon deployed uses shrapnel. and its not like shrapnel was invented in ww1. "grape shot" and "cannister" used during the US Civil War were shrapnel devices
for that matter similar rounds are still fired from our tanks to this day
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ions/m1028.htm
I maintain that people often misuse the term "shrapnel" among others but the difference is mainly semantic so let's not get up in arms about it. 
Good news the car was found at least. And no damage? That's amazing... Seems to imply even further that it was a car unlocked/ keys in car type of deal... Really lucky the guy got pulled over... Some people are pretty stupid... Cruisin around in a stolen car 3 days after the fact? He deserves his new prison "friends"
Now let's offer the douchebag a plea bargain if he helps retrieve the uniform (or at least the PH) and then slap him with the maximum sentence anyway! Chances are now that they know who it was, he is safer in prison
09-29-2007, 09:31 PM
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for that matter similar rounds are still fired from our tanks to this day
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ions/m1028.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ions/m1028.htm
And as for the knucklehead who had his crap stolen: Last time I checked, our cars don't have see-thru glass trunk lids: USE THE FRICKIN TRUNK! We've already got a big enough problem with imposters out there; don't serve it to them on a silver platter. And really, most people take their medals off the uniform before turning it in for cleaning; they can't clean them very thoroughly with them on there.
Okay, I'm done. I hope he gets his ***** back, and learns from his mistakes....
09-30-2007, 01:23 AM
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dude i was in the marines from '86 -'90 i ve shot every weapon we had at the time and used several different types of explosives. not to mention the amount of reading ive done before then and since. i have a pretty good understanding about explosives and the creation of and use of fragmentation.
shrapnel IS fragmentation. Shrapnel is a guys name. his name was put onto weaponry that he designed that used metal bits flying out from the explosion to cause damage. whether its grape shot inside the device or the casing of the device is designed to shatter into bits ITS THE SAME THING.
People may have over time stopped using his name to describe what happens , fragmentation may have superceded shrapnel in current jargon just as people have mostly stopped saying "xerox" and use "copy". you may be using the terms as a way to differentiate between "grapeshot" type devices and devices whose case is the metal bits but saying one is still saying the other- a weapon that uses flying bits of metallic debris as its PRIMARY source of damage.
grenades generally have 3 types: HE is high explosive the damage is from the explosive concusion wave, WP- white phosphorus ther pimary source of damage is the white phosphorus which burns thru what it lands on and fianlly Fragmentation grenades- the primary source of damage from these grenades is the SHRAPNEL(otherwise known as fragments of metal)spread about by the explosion of the grenade.
in high school some freinds and i made claymore mines. there are various ways to make them but basically you end up with an explosive device that throws debris(usually bits of metal) in the direction the device is facing. we could have made metal covers that had been cross hatched to beak into bits but it was much less time consuming to load it up with bits of scrap metal and put on a thin cardboard cover. either way the SHRAPNEL (or FRAGMENTS) get down range.
while some may not consider it "technically" correct in fact it is just semantics and the evolution of the weapon/idea. when you have a piece of metal in you from an explosion, "i've got shrapnel in my leg" or "my legs been fragged" really means the same thing.
shrapnel IS fragmentation. Shrapnel is a guys name. his name was put onto weaponry that he designed that used metal bits flying out from the explosion to cause damage. whether its grape shot inside the device or the casing of the device is designed to shatter into bits ITS THE SAME THING.
People may have over time stopped using his name to describe what happens , fragmentation may have superceded shrapnel in current jargon just as people have mostly stopped saying "xerox" and use "copy". you may be using the terms as a way to differentiate between "grapeshot" type devices and devices whose case is the metal bits but saying one is still saying the other- a weapon that uses flying bits of metallic debris as its PRIMARY source of damage.
grenades generally have 3 types: HE is high explosive the damage is from the explosive concusion wave, WP- white phosphorus ther pimary source of damage is the white phosphorus which burns thru what it lands on and fianlly Fragmentation grenades- the primary source of damage from these grenades is the SHRAPNEL(otherwise known as fragments of metal)spread about by the explosion of the grenade.
in high school some freinds and i made claymore mines. there are various ways to make them but basically you end up with an explosive device that throws debris(usually bits of metal) in the direction the device is facing. we could have made metal covers that had been cross hatched to beak into bits but it was much less time consuming to load it up with bits of scrap metal and put on a thin cardboard cover. either way the SHRAPNEL (or FRAGMENTS) get down range.
while some may not consider it "technically" correct in fact it is just semantics and the evolution of the weapon/idea. when you have a piece of metal in you from an explosion, "i've got shrapnel in my leg" or "my legs been fragged" really means the same thing.
10-02-2007, 07:00 PM
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Okay... And I've got over a decade of bomb disposal experience to back up my reply. It is what it is.
Semantics: sure. Evolition of jargon: sure. I absolutely agree with you on your last point. Any foreign object explosively driven into your body is a bad day, whether it's the casing or rocks from the ground around the device, or bones from the guy sitting next to you. All and all, a bad day.
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Semantics: sure. Evolition of jargon: sure. I absolutely agree with you on your last point. Any foreign object explosively driven into your body is a bad day, whether it's the casing or rocks from the ground around the device, or bones from the guy sitting next to you. All and all, a bad day.
Thanks for serving.