"Mazda expects to recall RX-8s"
08-24-2006, 04:43 PM
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How do you know its only an emissions recall?
And I agree with MM... stop talking out your 
Originally Posted by otherside
If your engine is modified, i.e. turbo, your warranty is void. It is not a safety recall, it is a voluntary emissions recall.
08-24-2006, 04:48 PM
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Please let us know who the "we" is... and how can you guarantee such a thing..
I think you should wait for the recall to come out as well before you start talking out your again...
I think you should wait for the recall to come out as well before you start talking out your
again...
Originally Posted by otherside
I can pretty much guarantee We will not be replacing any engines in our area. .
08-24-2006, 05:11 PM
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This is what I got from Mazda North America Operations:
_______________________________
Thank you for contacting Mazda North American Operations. I appreciate
the opportunity to respond to you.
In regards to your inquiry, there will be a recall coming for RX-8s in
the near future. The recall letter should be sent out in next 30 to 45
days. Unfortunately, we will not release any additional information
about the recall as the recall details may change before the approved
letters are sent out by the National Highway Traffic Safety
Administration (NHTSA).
I hope this information will be helpful. Please let me know if you have
any additional questions.
_______________________________
Thank you for contacting Mazda North American Operations. I appreciate
the opportunity to respond to you.
In regards to your inquiry, there will be a recall coming for RX-8s in
the near future. The recall letter should be sent out in next 30 to 45
days. Unfortunately, we will not release any additional information
about the recall as the recall details may change before the approved
letters are sent out by the National Highway Traffic Safety
Administration (NHTSA).
I hope this information will be helpful. Please let me know if you have
any additional questions.
08-24-2006, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by RealityRx8
Please let us know who the "we" is... and how can you guarantee such a thing..
I think you should wait for the recall to come out as well before you start talking out your again...
I think you should wait for the recall to come out as well before you start talking out your
again...
08-24-2006, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by otherside
The "we" is the dealership I am the service manager for. Like I explained before, we are located in a cool climate area and none of my customers have complained of severe power loss etc...I no more about the recall than most of you. You are the ones who need to wait until the recall comes out and quit speculating and whining. So I'm not talking out my *** when I say if you have a turbo on your car, your warranty is void, live with it. I know it is an emissions recall because I have the information, you dont. In this thread I have given as much information as I can as it comes available. Like I said, Im not lying, it is all true and it is happening.
08-24-2006, 05:29 PM
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dude if you never go to a dealer again they aren going to come to your house and do it for you. but if you ever want to sell your car you aregoing to need to have the recall done. remember its not necesssarily replacing the moter. its mostly going to be an extensive diagnostic to find the level of health of your engine. if its on the way out they will replace it- BEFORE it fails. wouldnt you rather know if yours is sick or not?
08-24-2006, 05:41 PM
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Otherside, I have some generic questions I think you can answer that would address some of my concerns.
I have 72,000 miles on my RX-8 and it runs great. A re-flash is the one certain thing that would happen if I were to go to a dealer. Should my 8 begin to run poorly after a reflash what is an out of warranty owner to do? Will Mazda stand behind a re-flash regardless of my warranty status? What kind of warranty would a rebuilt engine get if the rest of the car has none? My position on this is my 8 runs fine, I don’t even want them to do a re-flash, how will Mazda stand behind whatever work they do a out of warranty 8?
I have 72,000 miles on my RX-8 and it runs great. A re-flash is the one certain thing that would happen if I were to go to a dealer. Should my 8 begin to run poorly after a reflash what is an out of warranty owner to do? Will Mazda stand behind a re-flash regardless of my warranty status? What kind of warranty would a rebuilt engine get if the rest of the car has none? My position on this is my 8 runs fine, I don’t even want them to do a re-flash, how will Mazda stand behind whatever work they do a out of warranty 8?
08-24-2006, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by puch96
Does "voluntary recall" mean that I can chose wether to participate in the recall activity vs. 'mandatory"...????
08-24-2006, 05:52 PM
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otherside....i have a question for you.....how does the turbo void your warantee?
The Magnuson-Moss Act
Protecting tweakers, tuners, and other users of aftermarket equipment.
FANNING FEARS
You want to upgrade your vehicle with aftermarket equipment, but you’re worried about putting the vehicle’s warranty at risk. It’s no wonder. How many times have you heard somene of a dealership say that installing aftermarket equipment automatically voids the warranty? This common misconception has been repeated often enough to be widely believed – though it is completely false.
Fact: Dealers don’t like warranty work, because it pays less than normal repair work. By promoting the myth that aftermarket equipment automatically voids warranties, some dealers avoid such low-paying work. Instead, they attempt to charge customers the prime service rate for work which is rightfully done under warranty.
THE TRUTH
Most vehicle owners are not aware they are protected by federal law: the Magnuson-Moss Warranty – Federal Trade Commission Improvement Act of 1975. Under the Magnuson-Moss Act, aftermarket equipment which improves performance does not void a vehicle manufacturer’s original warranty, unless the warranty clearly and conspicuously states that aftermarket equipment voids the warranty. Most states have warranty statutes, as well. Which provide further protections for vehicle owners.
In other words, that means a dealer can’t wiggle out of his legal warranty obligation merely because you install aftermarket equipment. To find out if any aftermarket equipment automatically voids your vehicle’s warranty, check the owner’s manual. It is likely the language you are looking for appears under a heading such as “What Is Not Covered” Although the language seems negative, remember your vehicle manufacturer is simply saying he does not cover the aftermarket products themselves. He is not saying that the products would void the vehicle warranty.
VEHICLE DEALERS OBLIGATIONS
Suppose your modified vehicle needs repairs while still under warranty. Without analyzing the true cause of the problem, the dealer attempts to deny warranty coverage. He made his decision simply based on the fact that you’ve installed aftermarket equipment – a convenient way to dodge low-paying warranty work.
An example of how ridiculous this can get is the man who was denied warranty coverage by a dealer on his power door locks, because he had improved his exhaust system! Sounds nuts? It really happened – because that man did not know his rights and challenge the dealer’s decision.
Fact: A dealer must prove – not just say – that aftermarket equipment caused the need for repairs before he can deny warranty coverage on that basis.
YOUR RIGHTS
Point out to the dealer the provision of the Magnuson-Moss Act- Require that he explain to you how the aftermarket equipment caused the problem. If he can’t – or his explanation sounds questionable – it is your legal right to demand he comply with the warranty.
Fact: If you are still being unfairly denied warranty coverage, there is recourse. The Federal Trade Commission, which administers the Magnuson-Moss Act, monitors compliance with warranty issues. Direct complaints to the FCT at (202) 326-3128.
DODGE MOTORS
“Certain changes that you might make to your truck do not, by themselves, void the warranties described in this booklet. Examples of some of these changes are: installing non-Chrysler parts, components, or equipment.” – 1997 Warranty Information supplement to Dodge
Owner’s Manual:
GENERAL MOTORS CORPORATION
“If a Chevrolet part fails due to a defect in material or workmanship not related to (on aftermarket products) or the labor to install it. Chevrolet would be responsible for covering the failed part.” – Chevrolet Customer Assistance Center
FORD MOTOR COMPANY:
“Installation of a non-genuine Ford item does not, in and of itself, render warranty void.” – Ford Owner Relations Division
FEDERAL LAW
In order to improve the adequacy of information available to consumers, prevent deception, and improve competition in the marketing of consumer products, any warrantor warranting a consumer product to a consumer by means of a written warranty shall. . .fully and conspicuously disclose in simple and readily understood language the terms and conditions of such warranty. Such rules . . . require inclusion in the written warranty of any . . . exceptions and exclusions from the terms of the warranty.’ – Magnuson-Moss Warranty & Federal Trade Commission improvement Act. Section 2302(a)
The Magnuson-Moss Act
Protecting tweakers, tuners, and other users of aftermarket equipment.
FANNING FEARS
You want to upgrade your vehicle with aftermarket equipment, but you’re worried about putting the vehicle’s warranty at risk. It’s no wonder. How many times have you heard somene of a dealership say that installing aftermarket equipment automatically voids the warranty? This common misconception has been repeated often enough to be widely believed – though it is completely false.
Fact: Dealers don’t like warranty work, because it pays less than normal repair work. By promoting the myth that aftermarket equipment automatically voids warranties, some dealers avoid such low-paying work. Instead, they attempt to charge customers the prime service rate for work which is rightfully done under warranty.
THE TRUTH
Most vehicle owners are not aware they are protected by federal law: the Magnuson-Moss Warranty – Federal Trade Commission Improvement Act of 1975. Under the Magnuson-Moss Act, aftermarket equipment which improves performance does not void a vehicle manufacturer’s original warranty, unless the warranty clearly and conspicuously states that aftermarket equipment voids the warranty. Most states have warranty statutes, as well. Which provide further protections for vehicle owners.
In other words, that means a dealer can’t wiggle out of his legal warranty obligation merely because you install aftermarket equipment. To find out if any aftermarket equipment automatically voids your vehicle’s warranty, check the owner’s manual. It is likely the language you are looking for appears under a heading such as “What Is Not Covered” Although the language seems negative, remember your vehicle manufacturer is simply saying he does not cover the aftermarket products themselves. He is not saying that the products would void the vehicle warranty.
VEHICLE DEALERS OBLIGATIONS
Suppose your modified vehicle needs repairs while still under warranty. Without analyzing the true cause of the problem, the dealer attempts to deny warranty coverage. He made his decision simply based on the fact that you’ve installed aftermarket equipment – a convenient way to dodge low-paying warranty work.
An example of how ridiculous this can get is the man who was denied warranty coverage by a dealer on his power door locks, because he had improved his exhaust system! Sounds nuts? It really happened – because that man did not know his rights and challenge the dealer’s decision.
Fact: A dealer must prove – not just say – that aftermarket equipment caused the need for repairs before he can deny warranty coverage on that basis.
YOUR RIGHTS
Point out to the dealer the provision of the Magnuson-Moss Act- Require that he explain to you how the aftermarket equipment caused the problem. If he can’t – or his explanation sounds questionable – it is your legal right to demand he comply with the warranty.
Fact: If you are still being unfairly denied warranty coverage, there is recourse. The Federal Trade Commission, which administers the Magnuson-Moss Act, monitors compliance with warranty issues. Direct complaints to the FCT at (202) 326-3128.
DODGE MOTORS
“Certain changes that you might make to your truck do not, by themselves, void the warranties described in this booklet. Examples of some of these changes are: installing non-Chrysler parts, components, or equipment.” – 1997 Warranty Information supplement to Dodge
Owner’s Manual:
GENERAL MOTORS CORPORATION
“If a Chevrolet part fails due to a defect in material or workmanship not related to (on aftermarket products) or the labor to install it. Chevrolet would be responsible for covering the failed part.” – Chevrolet Customer Assistance Center
FORD MOTOR COMPANY:
“Installation of a non-genuine Ford item does not, in and of itself, render warranty void.” – Ford Owner Relations Division
FEDERAL LAW
In order to improve the adequacy of information available to consumers, prevent deception, and improve competition in the marketing of consumer products, any warrantor warranting a consumer product to a consumer by means of a written warranty shall. . .fully and conspicuously disclose in simple and readily understood language the terms and conditions of such warranty. Such rules . . . require inclusion in the written warranty of any . . . exceptions and exclusions from the terms of the warranty.’ – Magnuson-Moss Warranty & Federal Trade Commission improvement Act. Section 2302(a)
08-24-2006, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by expo1
Otherside, I have some generic questions I think you can answer that would address some of my concerns.
I have 72,000 miles on my RX-8 and it runs great. A re-flash is the one certain thing that would happen if I were to go to a dealer. Should my 8 begin to run poorly after a reflash what is an out of warranty owner to do? Will Mazda stand behind a re-flash regardless of my warranty status? What kind of warranty would a rebuilt engine get if the rest of the car has none? My position on this is my 8 runs fine, I don’t even want them to do a re-flash, how will Mazda stand behind whatever work they do a out of warranty 8?
I have 72,000 miles on my RX-8 and it runs great. A re-flash is the one certain thing that would happen if I were to go to a dealer. Should my 8 begin to run poorly after a reflash what is an out of warranty owner to do? Will Mazda stand behind a re-flash regardless of my warranty status? What kind of warranty would a rebuilt engine get if the rest of the car has none? My position on this is my 8 runs fine, I don’t even want them to do a re-flash, how will Mazda stand behind whatever work they do a out of warranty 8?
08-24-2006, 05:53 PM
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expo its a recal they have to do it.
otherside -good point forgot about the carb angle. and Oregon(where i live) and washignton have just recently announce they are going to Carb rules. in fact they may be in force now. so yeah you'll nee dto have it done to get emissions cert and drive your car on the road.
otherside -good point forgot about the carb angle. and Oregon(where i live) and washignton have just recently announce they are going to Carb rules. in fact they may be in force now. so yeah you'll nee dto have it done to get emissions cert and drive your car on the road.
08-24-2006, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by otherside
The reflash will not cause a problem with your vehicle, it will be beneficial to your vehicle. Ive never seen a reflash go bad.
when they switched from the N3H files for the 8 to the N3Z files there was a few weeks when they halted flashing. the new flash was causing some folks to hav eCELS. they took some PCMs from customer cars tro have alook at them in Irvine. we talked about possible hardware changes from denso that they werent aware of. it turned out i recently found out that they switched from a 512k flash memory to a 1MB flash memory and that was causing issues- there was an update to the WDS to deal with this and there was also a new flash- the "2nd M" flash.
08-24-2006, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by chrism
otherside....i have a question for you.....how does the turbo void your warantee?
The Magnuson-Moss Act
Protecting tweakers, tuners, and other users of aftermarket equipment.
FANNING FEARS
You want to upgrade your vehicle with aftermarket equipment, but you’re worried about putting the vehicle’s warranty at risk. It’s no wonder. How many times have you heard somene of a dealership say that installing aftermarket equipment automatically voids the warranty? This common misconception has been repeated often enough to be widely believed – though it is completely false.
Fact: Dealers don’t like warranty work, because it pays less than normal repair work. By promoting the myth that aftermarket equipment automatically voids warranties, some dealers avoid such low-paying work. Instead, they attempt to charge customers the prime service rate for work which is rightfully done under warranty.
THE TRUTH
Most vehicle owners are not aware they are protected by federal law: the Magnuson-Moss Warranty – Federal Trade Commission Improvement Act of 1975. Under the Magnuson-Moss Act, aftermarket equipment which improves performance does not void a vehicle manufacturer’s original warranty, unless the warranty clearly and conspicuously states that aftermarket equipment voids the warranty. Most states have warranty statutes, as well. Which provide further protections for vehicle owners.
In other words, that means a dealer can’t wiggle out of his legal warranty obligation merely because you install aftermarket equipment. To find out if any aftermarket equipment automatically voids your vehicle’s warranty, check the owner’s manual. It is likely the language you are looking for appears under a heading such as “What Is Not Covered” Although the language seems negative, remember your vehicle manufacturer is simply saying he does not cover the aftermarket products themselves. He is not saying that the products would void the vehicle warranty.
VEHICLE DEALERS OBLIGATIONS
Suppose your modified vehicle needs repairs while still under warranty. Without analyzing the true cause of the problem, the dealer attempts to deny warranty coverage. He made his decision simply based on the fact that you’ve installed aftermarket equipment – a convenient way to dodge low-paying warranty work.
An example of how ridiculous this can get is the man who was denied warranty coverage by a dealer on his power door locks, because he had improved his exhaust system! Sounds nuts? It really happened – because that man did not know his rights and challenge the dealer’s decision.
Fact: A dealer must prove – not just say – that aftermarket equipment caused the need for repairs before he can deny warranty coverage on that basis.
YOUR RIGHTS
Point out to the dealer the provision of the Magnuson-Moss Act- Require that he explain to you how the aftermarket equipment caused the problem. If he can’t – or his explanation sounds questionable – it is your legal right to demand he comply with the warranty.
Fact: If you are still being unfairly denied warranty coverage, there is recourse. The Federal Trade Commission, which administers the Magnuson-Moss Act, monitors compliance with warranty issues. Direct complaints to the FCT at (202) 326-3128.
DODGE MOTORS
“Certain changes that you might make to your truck do not, by themselves, void the warranties described in this booklet. Examples of some of these changes are: installing non-Chrysler parts, components, or equipment.” – 1997 Warranty Information supplement to Dodge
Owner’s Manual:
GENERAL MOTORS CORPORATION
“If a Chevrolet part fails due to a defect in material or workmanship not related to (on aftermarket products) or the labor to install it. Chevrolet would be responsible for covering the failed part.” – Chevrolet Customer Assistance Center
FORD MOTOR COMPANY:
“Installation of a non-genuine Ford item does not, in and of itself, render warranty void.” – Ford Owner Relations Division
FEDERAL LAW
In order to improve the adequacy of information available to consumers, prevent deception, and improve competition in the marketing of consumer products, any warrantor warranting a consumer product to a consumer by means of a written warranty shall. . .fully and conspicuously disclose in simple and readily understood language the terms and conditions of such warranty. Such rules . . . require inclusion in the written warranty of any . . . exceptions and exclusions from the terms of the warranty.’ – Magnuson-Moss Warranty & Federal Trade Commission improvement Act. Section 2302(a)
The Magnuson-Moss Act
Protecting tweakers, tuners, and other users of aftermarket equipment.
FANNING FEARS
You want to upgrade your vehicle with aftermarket equipment, but you’re worried about putting the vehicle’s warranty at risk. It’s no wonder. How many times have you heard somene of a dealership say that installing aftermarket equipment automatically voids the warranty? This common misconception has been repeated often enough to be widely believed – though it is completely false.
Fact: Dealers don’t like warranty work, because it pays less than normal repair work. By promoting the myth that aftermarket equipment automatically voids warranties, some dealers avoid such low-paying work. Instead, they attempt to charge customers the prime service rate for work which is rightfully done under warranty.
THE TRUTH
Most vehicle owners are not aware they are protected by federal law: the Magnuson-Moss Warranty – Federal Trade Commission Improvement Act of 1975. Under the Magnuson-Moss Act, aftermarket equipment which improves performance does not void a vehicle manufacturer’s original warranty, unless the warranty clearly and conspicuously states that aftermarket equipment voids the warranty. Most states have warranty statutes, as well. Which provide further protections for vehicle owners.
In other words, that means a dealer can’t wiggle out of his legal warranty obligation merely because you install aftermarket equipment. To find out if any aftermarket equipment automatically voids your vehicle’s warranty, check the owner’s manual. It is likely the language you are looking for appears under a heading such as “What Is Not Covered” Although the language seems negative, remember your vehicle manufacturer is simply saying he does not cover the aftermarket products themselves. He is not saying that the products would void the vehicle warranty.
VEHICLE DEALERS OBLIGATIONS
Suppose your modified vehicle needs repairs while still under warranty. Without analyzing the true cause of the problem, the dealer attempts to deny warranty coverage. He made his decision simply based on the fact that you’ve installed aftermarket equipment – a convenient way to dodge low-paying warranty work.
An example of how ridiculous this can get is the man who was denied warranty coverage by a dealer on his power door locks, because he had improved his exhaust system! Sounds nuts? It really happened – because that man did not know his rights and challenge the dealer’s decision.
Fact: A dealer must prove – not just say – that aftermarket equipment caused the need for repairs before he can deny warranty coverage on that basis.
YOUR RIGHTS
Point out to the dealer the provision of the Magnuson-Moss Act- Require that he explain to you how the aftermarket equipment caused the problem. If he can’t – or his explanation sounds questionable – it is your legal right to demand he comply with the warranty.
Fact: If you are still being unfairly denied warranty coverage, there is recourse. The Federal Trade Commission, which administers the Magnuson-Moss Act, monitors compliance with warranty issues. Direct complaints to the FCT at (202) 326-3128.
DODGE MOTORS
“Certain changes that you might make to your truck do not, by themselves, void the warranties described in this booklet. Examples of some of these changes are: installing non-Chrysler parts, components, or equipment.” – 1997 Warranty Information supplement to Dodge
Owner’s Manual:
GENERAL MOTORS CORPORATION
“If a Chevrolet part fails due to a defect in material or workmanship not related to (on aftermarket products) or the labor to install it. Chevrolet would be responsible for covering the failed part.” – Chevrolet Customer Assistance Center
FORD MOTOR COMPANY:
“Installation of a non-genuine Ford item does not, in and of itself, render warranty void.” – Ford Owner Relations Division
FEDERAL LAW
In order to improve the adequacy of information available to consumers, prevent deception, and improve competition in the marketing of consumer products, any warrantor warranting a consumer product to a consumer by means of a written warranty shall. . .fully and conspicuously disclose in simple and readily understood language the terms and conditions of such warranty. Such rules . . . require inclusion in the written warranty of any . . . exceptions and exclusions from the terms of the warranty.’ – Magnuson-Moss Warranty & Federal Trade Commission improvement Act. Section 2302(a)
What is not covered
Factors beyond the manufacturers control
Alteration, modification, tampering etc...
Obviously, if you have a cold air intake and your wheel bearing fails, most likely Mazda wont try to deny your claim. But if you have a turbo and your engine fails, that could be more directly related to the failure. Therefore, Mazda could try to deny your warranty claiming the turbo caused undue stress on the engine and caused the failure. The fact that there is a recall involved creates a whole new can of worms. I will be interesting to see how it is truley handled. Mazda was pretty adamant about the possibility od denying claims, but they did say it would be handled on a case by case basis. So we will see...
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Originally Posted by zoom44
hahah i have in December of 2004. ill find alink to the discussion fo ryou
when they switched from the N3H files for the 8 to the N3Z files there was a few weeks when they halted flashing. the new flash was causing some folks to hav eCELS. they took some PCMs from customer cars tro have alook at them in Irvine. we talked about possible hardware changes from denso that they werent aware of. it turned out i recently found out that they switched from a 512k flash memory to a 1MB flash memory and that was causing issues- there was an update to the WDS to deal with this and there was also a new flash- the "2nd M" flash.
when they switched from the N3H files for the 8 to the N3Z files there was a few weeks when they halted flashing. the new flash was causing some folks to hav eCELS. they took some PCMs from customer cars tro have alook at them in Irvine. we talked about possible hardware changes from denso that they werent aware of. it turned out i recently found out that they switched from a 512k flash memory to a 1MB flash memory and that was causing issues- there was an update to the WDS to deal with this and there was also a new flash- the "2nd M" flash.
08-24-2006, 06:45 PM
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exactly which is why i posted that....even a turbo is not guaranteed denial of warantee....the burden of undeniable proof lies upon the dealer/mazda that the modification caused the damage.....which will be a very sticky situation now because of the recall....sure its a smart decision to take off the turbo and go in more stock.....
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Originally Posted by otherside
I guess I should state it differently. In the owners manual it states:
What is not covered
Factors beyond the manufacturers control
Alteration, modification, tampering etc...
Obviously, if you have a cold air intake and your wheel bearing fails, most likely Mazda wont try to deny your claim. But if you have a turbo and your engine fails, that could be more directly related to the failure. Therefore, Mazda could try to deny your warranty claiming the turbo caused undue stress on the engine and caused the failure. The fact that there is a recall involved creates a whole new can of worms. I will be interesting to see how it is truley handled. Mazda was pretty adamant about the possibility od denying claims, but they did say it would be handled on a case by case basis. So we will see...
What is not covered
Factors beyond the manufacturers control
Alteration, modification, tampering etc...
Obviously, if you have a cold air intake and your wheel bearing fails, most likely Mazda wont try to deny your claim. But if you have a turbo and your engine fails, that could be more directly related to the failure. Therefore, Mazda could try to deny your warranty claiming the turbo caused undue stress on the engine and caused the failure. The fact that there is a recall involved creates a whole new can of worms. I will be interesting to see how it is truley handled. Mazda was pretty adamant about the possibility od denying claims, but they did say it would be handled on a case by case basis. So we will see...
08-24-2006, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
hahah i have in December of 2004. ill find alink to the discussion fo ryou
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Originally Posted by zoom44
you will get afixed engine. your original engien will be fixed and given to someone else who has a broken one. basically
08-24-2006, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by chrism
sure its a smart decision to take off the turbo and go in more stock.....
I think a better course of action is to get real friendly with the dealership and have them perform the vacuum test first. If you pass then you go right out the door with no other work performed on your 8. The flash that will come with this was not designed for turbo 8’s so until you know what it might do to your turbo 8 you should stay away from it. That is just my opinion.