"Mazda expects to recall RX-8s"
08-21-2006 | 12:59 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but as a recall this would cover all cars between the years listed, regardless of current warranty standing, right? I ask because my 8 has nearly 55,000 miles on it and I've been having engine problems lately. I've got an appointment to take it in for a compression test next week, but I wasn't looking forward to hearing that I needed a new engine on my dime.
It kinda irks me. My FC had 180k miles on the original engine when I sold it and the only thing wrong with it was it needed a new exhaust (for the third time). My '04 has less than 60k and it may need a new engine and tranny soon.
It kinda irks me. My FC had 180k miles on the original engine when I sold it and the only thing wrong with it was it needed a new exhaust (for the third time). My '04 has less than 60k and it may need a new engine and tranny soon.
08-21-2006 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
i hint these things as strongly as i can
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...um#post1485942
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...um#post1488913
but i am glad to see Mark Rechtin at Automotive News was able to pry it out of them , there are any documents to post about it yet. As soon as they become available ill add them to this thread. I even checked the NHTSA site last night about midnight but there wasnt anything yet.
You can see now why those TSBs have come out in Europe and Australia. There are certain types of Synthetics (sorry Fred its true) that they have seen contributing to the Issue with failing engines in the hotter areas (Vegas Lubbock Phoenix etc) and why i posted that bit the other day with Mazda having oil samples from each dealership. It is less costly for Mazda to say "no synthetics" than to pay for testing of all the various synthetics to say which ones are ok or not. Is Royal Purple ok? yeah no doubt as i know those guys have actually tested their oil in rotaries. Up to you to decide if you wish to risk your warranty.
Im a little concerned (not just me but several Top Rotary people i have had the chance to talk to recently) about the Reman engines, especially in light of the recent multi -engine replacements where the Remans failed right away or very soon after replacement.
The remans use d to be doen by a company in florida- but they are now done by this Delco outfit in North Carolina. There already appears to be a quality conrol issue from there and with many more engiens to do the QC problem could compounded. Of course the top tefch people at MNAO are aware of this as well since they are spending many days and nights in Vegas. Im sure they have a plan to deal with this but that doesnt make me any less nervous about NC Delco remans
Itd be nice if they could do the type of longevity and cooling improvement work i heard about this weekend which will be available from a certain well known rotary house in Georgia. I doubt the Delco people could tho.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...um#post1485942
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...um#post1488913
but i am glad to see Mark Rechtin at Automotive News was able to pry it out of them , there are any documents to post about it yet. As soon as they become available ill add them to this thread. I even checked the NHTSA site last night about midnight but there wasnt anything yet.
You can see now why those TSBs have come out in Europe and Australia. There are certain types of Synthetics (sorry Fred its true) that they have seen contributing to the Issue with failing engines in the hotter areas (Vegas Lubbock Phoenix etc) and why i posted that bit the other day with Mazda having oil samples from each dealership. It is less costly for Mazda to say "no synthetics" than to pay for testing of all the various synthetics to say which ones are ok or not. Is Royal Purple ok? yeah no doubt as i know those guys have actually tested their oil in rotaries. Up to you to decide if you wish to risk your warranty.
Im a little concerned (not just me but several Top Rotary people i have had the chance to talk to recently) about the Reman engines, especially in light of the recent multi -engine replacements where the Remans failed right away or very soon after replacement.
The remans use d to be doen by a company in florida- but they are now done by this Delco outfit in North Carolina. There already appears to be a quality conrol issue from there and with many more engiens to do the QC problem could compounded. Of course the top tefch people at MNAO are aware of this as well since they are spending many days and nights in Vegas. Im sure they have a plan to deal with this but that doesnt make me any less nervous about NC Delco remans
Itd be nice if they could do the type of longevity and cooling improvement work i heard about this weekend which will be available from a certain well known rotary house in Georgia. I doubt the Delco people could tho.
actually sorry to impune Delco- its Delphi in North Carolina that is the entity who does the remans.
08-21-2006 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
interesting- this is a voluntary recall on their part- so it may not ever get reported on the NHTSA site as a recall. since mazda is driving it and not the safety peeps in the government.
08-21-2006 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by j9fd3s
its a regional problem, apparently high heat, low humidity areas are the problem. in the SF bay area, we havent seen any of the problems they are talking about
Owner since 03, this summer is the first time I've had any problem. Reflash done a couple weeks ago didn't help. (if it was even the S)
Zoom, any idea on an ETA for these vacuum measurement tools/recall? Do you know if this will be an official recall announcement or will it be a "secret" recall on a complaint only basis?
08-21-2006 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by devious12
I did believe that something was going to happen, I didn't expect you to be right on target!
I gotta call you to see if you're going to that exotic car show. Oh and on a side note... so much for me selling my 8, gonna have a hard time getting rid of it after that recall comes out!
I gotta call you to see if you're going to that exotic car show. Oh and on a side note... so much for me selling my 8, gonna have a hard time getting rid of it after that recall comes out!
....might as well keep it now
08-21-2006 | 01:43 PM
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Have 33K on my engine and it has always been fine (knocking on wood as I type this). I wonder how much of this has to do with our driving styles and how we care for the engines...oil change intervals, types of oils, proper warm-up, high rpm driving, etc...
08-21-2006 | 01:45 PM
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its recall works just like any otehr recall- letters will go out etc etc.
they should have had tools last week for the training. perhaps they didnt get everyone last week. most trained thursday and friday is my understanding.
they should have had tools last week for the training. perhaps they didnt get everyone last week. most trained thursday and friday is my understanding.
08-21-2006 | 01:48 PM
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it might be a slow roll out. do one region at a time so they can get some "cores" back and not get too back logged. im sure everyone showing up at dealers the same day/week could be a logistics nightmare.
08-21-2006 | 01:51 PM
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I wish for once Mazda would jsut come out and say exactly what is wrong. They seem to answer questions by giving us more to ask. If there is a seal issue, I want them to say why. I don't want to hear it's because of synthetic oils. Which ones? I guarantee that I can find some conventionals that won't do an engine any good.
No matter what the issue is with Mazda, they always beat around the bush when it comes to answers. I for one would rather them come forward and say they screwed up at during engine building or there is a design flaw rather than new excuses, bulletins, and flashes that seem to fix nothing. We've heard it all before. An engine replacement is pretty serious stuff. If so many are having issues, you can't tell me it's because of what oils some people are using. This would have happened with the RX-7's too and it didn't. It's a manufacturing issue or an oil metering issue. That's all it can be that would warrant so many changes that don't do anything. This is their last resort that will hopefully solve the problem. I wonder what they'll do when it doesn't?
My big question is this. How many engines are getting rebuilt with new parts but not being resurfaced (since they don't do that), and are going back into cars that need engine swaps? A new engine sounds nice to me but I want one that not only has no wear on the seals but also no wear on the housings. You will never find that in a Mazda remanufactured engine. To all of you who are pondering a new engine, just think of that.
No matter what the issue is with Mazda, they always beat around the bush when it comes to answers. I for one would rather them come forward and say they screwed up at during engine building or there is a design flaw rather than new excuses, bulletins, and flashes that seem to fix nothing. We've heard it all before. An engine replacement is pretty serious stuff. If so many are having issues, you can't tell me it's because of what oils some people are using. This would have happened with the RX-7's too and it didn't. It's a manufacturing issue or an oil metering issue. That's all it can be that would warrant so many changes that don't do anything. This is their last resort that will hopefully solve the problem. I wonder what they'll do when it doesn't?
My big question is this. How many engines are getting rebuilt with new parts but not being resurfaced (since they don't do that), and are going back into cars that need engine swaps? A new engine sounds nice to me but I want one that not only has no wear on the seals but also no wear on the housings. You will never find that in a Mazda remanufactured engine. To all of you who are pondering a new engine, just think of that.
08-21-2006 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
you are already a recall behind. they'll have 2 (well 3 really to check you for the control arm)to do. the newer flash is nicer thanthe M.
On top of that, when the next flash after M came out, I went in to schedule to bring the car in for it.....
"We won't give you a re-flash unless you're experiencing any issues that would REQUIRE you to get the flash."
You can understand why I'm weary about the dealer touching my car.
--kC
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08-21-2006 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by LostAngel
It seems like i'm always the first to know when it comes to my dealer....everytime they think im on crack....yet i'm always a week or so ahead of them.
08-21-2006 | 02:06 PM
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Ok, so they do a vacuum test on the motor and only replace it if it fails. That must mean that bad motors fail the vacuum test right off the lot, right? If they didn’t do it right off the lot what is to stop a motor from developing the problem AFTER the car goes in for the recall. If they do fail right off the lot how could synthetic oil be at fault? The LOGIC here is a little screwed up.
08-21-2006 | 02:07 PM
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fred- they havent done anything previously to address this issue. also they are not blaming a synthetic oil for this issue- the point is that some synthetic oils have been shown to be a contributing factor. they dont cause the problem but can exacerbate the situation. that pic in the european bulletin is from a US engine. they cant come out and say "dont use Brand X" because then they would get drawn in to a protracted legal battle with Brand X.
the remans are definetly a concern. because if its oil flow due to a casting issue then obviously that wont fix it.
the remans are definetly a concern. because if its oil flow due to a casting issue then obviously that wont fix it.
08-21-2006 | 02:12 PM
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mx6 2 rx8:
no because the motors arent bad right off the lot. its a cumulative issue caused by traffic hot temps low humidity low rev driving and HOT OIL. cars on the lot havent face those issues yet
no because the motors arent bad right off the lot. its a cumulative issue caused by traffic hot temps low humidity low rev driving and HOT OIL. cars on the lot havent face those issues yet