"Mazda expects to recall RX-8s"
08-31-2006, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Tirminyl
It is a repost. Not only on every single page of this thread, but in every single thread in this forum. Welcome to the board BTW.
And thanks.....I'll try and be a contributor as best I can. If/when I get any word on the recall, I'll let people know.
08-31-2006, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
it does IF IT FAILS THE TEST . HE GAVE YOU INNACCURATE INFORMATION. read the actual DOCUMENTS, which are available to him, in the TSB and Recall thread in the issues and problem section. its a sticky and not hard to find. He also should have watched the Webinar . if he hasnt he is WOEFULLY inadequate as a service manager and should be replaced. Hell there are 2 videos - the Webinar and a sort of "primer". the "primer " gives him an acted out sketch of how he should have responded to your question. he failed miserably
08-31-2006, 09:28 AM
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My 2002 Jeep Liberty is being recalled in September for a ball joint replacement.
My 2005 RX-8 is scheduled for service in Sept, which will most likely include the vaccum test, although I saw no loss of power in the 100 degF days we had earlier in the month.
Hey, shiite happens. Better that they're actually addressing the issue.
My 2005 RX-8 is scheduled for service in Sept, which will most likely include the vaccum test, although I saw no loss of power in the 100 degF days we had earlier in the month.
Hey, shiite happens. Better that they're actually addressing the issue.
08-31-2006, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Marc_H
No change. It's still peppy when I hit 5,000 rpm's.
I heard they leaned out the fuel with this new flash, which is mostly how the Canzoomer affected performance so I'm wondering that even though it may not match the performance of a canzoomer, there should be some gains if the fuel reduction is true.
LET THE BASHING PARADE CONTINUE!!!! 
08-31-2006, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Sapphonica
Hmmm...
When I had my Renesis rebuilt, I had the Racing Beat oil pump mod done to increase oil flow, so maybe I'm covered.
http://www.racingbeat.com/FRmazda4.htm
Also, since I'm turbo'ed & ported, getting a 'free' new engine would actually cost me thousands of $$$ to get it back to where it is right now...and a reman isn't 'new' anyway.
I'll be surprised if 07 isn't the last year for the RX8.
Memo to Mazda: f*** you!
When I had my Renesis rebuilt, I had the Racing Beat oil pump mod done to increase oil flow, so maybe I'm covered.
http://www.racingbeat.com/FRmazda4.htm
Also, since I'm turbo'ed & ported, getting a 'free' new engine would actually cost me thousands of $$$ to get it back to where it is right now...and a reman isn't 'new' anyway.
I'll be surprised if 07 isn't the last year for the RX8.
Memo to Mazda: f*** you!
Moving on.
I called my local mazda dealer, who's been pretty good to me. I asked him about the film on my headlights, and he asked if I want to bring it in tomorrow, I told him I wanted to wait until I got the recall letter so I could kill two birds with one stone. He said I didn't have to wait and they'll just do the recall when they take a look at my headlights. It should take about 1.5 hours or so to finish everything.
So, I scheduled an appointment next week wednesday, I'll let you guys know what happens.
08-31-2006, 11:17 AM
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My dealership is top notch in the service dept. I had an appointment for some minor stuff set for tomorrow and I am going to mention the recall at the same time. Most likely they will do the test and let me know the results.
I'll let you all know ASAP what happens. By the way I am in the Northeast so we will see if there is a direct correlation between the heat and the recall. It does get hot and humid here too but not for super longs periods.
I'll let you all know ASAP what happens. By the way I am in the Northeast so we will see if there is a direct correlation between the heat and the recall. It does get hot and humid here too but not for super longs periods.
08-31-2006, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
it does IF IT FAILS THE TEST . HE GAVE YOU INNACCURATE INFORMATION. read the actual DOCUMENTS, which are available to him, in the TSB and Recall thread in the issues and problem section. its a sticky and not hard to find. He also should have watched the Webinar . if he hasnt he is WOEFULLY inadequate as a service manager and should be replaced. Hell there are 2 videos - the Webinar and a sort of "primer". the "primer " gives him an acted out sketch of how he should have responded to your question. he failed miserably
If the vehicle is working with no problem, they will skip the drivability test and go straight to Procedure D (reprogram PCM).....
08-31-2006, 12:07 PM
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I believe according to the procedure, my car should not need a replaced engine. If my dealership tells me that it does, then they are not following the recall procedure correctly. They should just check the catalitic converter, maybe spark plugs and go to re-program the PCM..... nothing else.....I might take the procedure documents just in case they start telling me otherwise....
08-31-2006, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dmc27
I doubt they will waste their time (and yours) testing it w/o any of the noted complaints. No dealer is going to be looking forward to replacing engines.
08-31-2006, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan13b
It's almost $6500 in service revenue. Why wouldn't they want to do that?
09-01-2006, 01:47 AM
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Mazda's allowable and claimable Warranty repair times (Labor), are very conservative.
All removal and replacement procedures have a factory "Operational Number" and a set Labor time rate in point(s) of hours for every operation....
As an example if a dealer's mechanic takes 15.0 hours to remove and replace an engine, and the factory operational times are 9.5 hours, then only the 9.5 hours of labor is paid by Mazda at the normal retail rates....
A dealer can not charge whatever labor times he wants to...for obvious reasons.
The only exception is when work done on a customers car is sublet-ed out to another repairer that is not a Mazda dealership (say, a seat trim repairer), in this case the dealer can claim from Mazda for the total invoice cost from that sublet repairer....these are also audited.
In my experience a dealer never really profits from warranty work, particularly any rework.
All removal and replacement procedures have a factory "Operational Number" and a set Labor time rate in point(s) of hours for every operation....
As an example if a dealer's mechanic takes 15.0 hours to remove and replace an engine, and the factory operational times are 9.5 hours, then only the 9.5 hours of labor is paid by Mazda at the normal retail rates....
A dealer can not charge whatever labor times he wants to...for obvious reasons.
The only exception is when work done on a customers car is sublet-ed out to another repairer that is not a Mazda dealership (say, a seat trim repairer), in this case the dealer can claim from Mazda for the total invoice cost from that sublet repairer....these are also audited.
In my experience a dealer never really profits from warranty work, particularly any rework.
09-01-2006, 01:51 AM
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Generally break even...IF he has a GOOD TEAM of Mechanics....??
09-01-2006, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
warranty pays the same as would be charged the customer. as long as you do it in the time allowed
09-01-2006, 09:20 AM
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Dealers can't do most any warranty work without the express approval of the MNAO Dealer Tech Line, and certainly the engine warranty situation will be an ongoing intimate conversation about any suspect cars long before any replacing of engines takes place. I take it to be similar to medical insurance, for full coverage, you have to get pre-approval before any operations take place.
At least that's what I have experienced.
At least that's what I have experienced.
09-01-2006, 09:55 AM
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RX8 Recall
I took my 2004 RX8 with manual to my friendly dealer for a oil change yesterday. I was informed of the recall (#4206F) to check for bad oil seals. I had not received anything in the mail from Mazda so I was clueless. It wasn't till I got home and did some checking on-line that I found out what was going on. Anyway they performed the recall. They must have found the oil seals were okay since all they did was do the ECU reflash and replace two plugs (Part #N3Y9-18-110). I had no problems with loss of power or hesitation. I live in the Washington, DC area and drive my RX8 mostly commuting to work. I don't do alot of high speed crusing. When commuting to work I pretty much keep the RPMs between 4-7K. The only time the RPMs get below 4K is when I am on a highway doing 60-70mph in 6 speed. They also replaced my starter although I had no starting problems (I am religious about not starting the engine and then turning it right off). I am wondering if the reported oil seal problems occuring in hot and dry climates (like the USA SW) also is because in those areas people then to drive in high speed cruising mode (low RPMs) for long periods of time. Also is Mazda's recommend 5W-20 oil a contributing factor. I have followed that recommendation but always thought that a heavier weight oil might be better.
09-01-2006, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ssnrx8
I took my 2004 RX8 with manual to my friendly dealer for a oil change yesterday. I was informed of the recall (#4206F) to check for bad oil seals. I had not received anything in the mail from Mazda so I was clueless. It wasn't till I got home and did some checking on-line that I found out what was going on. Anyway they performed the recall. They must have found the oil seals were okay since all they did was do the ECU reflash and replace two plugs (Part #N3Y9-18-110). I had no problems with loss of power or hesitation. I live in the Washington, DC area and drive my RX8 mostly commuting to work. I don't do alot of high speed crusing. When commuting to work I pretty much keep the RPMs between 4-7K. The only time the RPMs get below 4K is when I am on a highway doing 60-70mph in 6 speed. They also replaced my starter although I had no starting problems (I am religious about not starting the engine and then turning it right off). I am wondering if the reported oil seal problems occuring in hot and dry climates (like the USA SW) also is because in those areas people then to drive in high speed cruising mode (low RPMs) for long periods of time. Also is Mazda's recommend 5W-20 oil a contributing factor. I have followed that recommendation but always thought that a heavier weight oil might be better.
the oil debate has been mentioned a few times on the forum, if you do a quick search you can get some info on it- im stil on 5w20 myself, and my engine seems fine though ive had few rumbly low idles, (only 3 in the 2.5 years ive had it).
09-01-2006, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ssnrx8
I took my 2004 RX8 with manual to my friendly dealer for a oil change yesterday. I was informed of the recall (#4206F) to check for bad oil seals. I had not received anything in the mail from Mazda so I was clueless. It wasn't till I got home and did some checking on-line that I found out what was going on. Anyway they performed the recall. They must have found the oil seals were okay since all they did was do the ECU reflash and replace two plugs (Part #N3Y9-18-110). I had no problems with loss of power or hesitation. I live in the Washington, DC area and drive my RX8 mostly commuting to work. I don't do alot of high speed crusing. When commuting to work I pretty much keep the RPMs between 4-7K. The only time the RPMs get below 4K is when I am on a highway doing 60-70mph in 6 speed. They also replaced my starter although I had no starting problems (I am religious about not starting the engine and then turning it right off). I am wondering if the reported oil seal problems occuring in hot and dry climates (like the USA SW) also is because in those areas people then to drive in high speed cruising mode (low RPMs) for long periods of time. Also is Mazda's recommend 5W-20 oil a contributing factor. I have followed that recommendation but always thought that a heavier weight oil might be better.
Paul.