stealitnow

would you buy a new rx8 right now or would you wait until the dust settles with mazda or even better yet wait for the 2007???
thinking about buying one. please reply if you have opinion

zoom44

id buy a new one right now. 07s are even starting to make it to lots

Nemesis8

iTrader: (3)

Disturbing is right indeed. That does not make any sense. Any more info on this one yet?

Jax_RX8

Anyone heard what the PCM software changes are for the recall, beside updating the oil injection rates?

Any updates to the fan control setting (instead of the 206 degree F turn on temp)?

otherside

Whats wierd is when you go to the mazdausa website, it doesn't even acknowledge the availability of the 07 yet. I asked our sales manager about the availability and he says we can't get them yet.

RealityRx8

I have only had my shinka for about 3 mths and I wish I had waited.
You should be able to get an amazing deal on 8's that are on the lot.

ASH8

I forgot to add, as a general rule a Mazda Dealer is not paid for diagnosis...finding the problem,fault or defect in the first place, they are only paid for R&R work.

zoom44

yeah i mentioned that in the thread where it was said there are some hitting delaers. i suspect its only the right coast where there aresome now- left coast had a shipping error you might have heard about

RexApex

I don't think it is especially disturbing. The dealer isn't going to check fo engine problems if the owner doesn't compain about idle or power issues. A bad engine will not be noticed without owner complaints. We could see quite a few apparent post-recall engine failures, where the engine actually started failing before the recall, but didn't get diagnosed.
-R.

PS. However, if hte reflash caused the stalling problem, then that would be quite disturbing, but people have been getting the new flash for a couple of weeks already right?

ps1726

I live in Puerto Rico, high heat and humidity year round, my engine has oil changes every 3000 miles, gas is premixed 400/1 since new so far 40k miles, and not even the plugs have
failed, my driving style maintains the RPMs above 4500 almost all the time and my engine was reflashed only once to the P flash. So something strange must be happening to cars
in th US. Or maybe Im just lucky?

vegas RX8

I went to pick up my car this morning after they had finished installing a brand spanking new '06 engine w/ the recall and it stalled again. Mazda techs have no idea what else to try. My next step is sending off a certified letter to Mazda NA to get my money back. I am through with my RX8, 2 remans and 1 new engine and still nothing to show in less than 2 months is enough for me, sad to say. It really pained me seeing it there and not being able to drive away with it. Now I just wait for the letter to get there and for them to respond to see what they will be able to do for me. Needless to say this is a very sad day for me.

vegas.

otherside

That is completely false. Mazda does pay for diagnosis. Dont let anyone tell you different.

Mazmart

iTrader: (12)

It depends on what 'MAZDA' you're talking about. Ash8 aint from these parts
He's from the land down under, remember?

otherside

I used myself as the guinnea pig today for the 4206f recall. Performed the reflash, checked the catalytic convertor, replaced the plugs. All went smooth, cat is fine. Just a note: I was curious about the vaccum test so I read ahead in the recall instructions. There are no values to compare your readings to in the recall itself. The numbers are recorded on a worksheet which is faxed to Mazda tech when you order a motor if needed. Mazda tech. analyzes the readings and determines motor replacement from there. So if someone does a vaccum test just to see where its at, there is nothing to compare it to.

max5roadster

That sucks... pun intended. :p No comparison. Perhaps we could all check and get an average reading going in another thread-like the oil analysis thread.

ssnrx8

This is a good question that I am asking myself. I had the 4206F recall done on my 2004 yesterday. The performed the PCM reflash and replaced the two leading plugs. The way I read the 4206F procedures you don't get the vacumm test (Diagnostic test #2) or the test drive (Diagnostic test #1) if you haven't have or currently have "severe lack of power/low idle complaints". Can your oil seals be damaged but have no syptoms yet? If so then it is possible you could go through the recall and get the reflash plus plugs and go happy on your way thinking things are okay and then have the infamous driveability problems down the road.

ssnrx8

I had the 4206F recall done on my 2004 yesterday. I had no lack of power/low idle problems. The dealer did the reflash and replace the 2 leading plugs. The one question I have is the two leading plugs the dealer installed had a part number of N3Y8-18-110. The recall procedure list the plugs part number to be installed as N3Z4-18-110. Anybody have a info or a clarification on this?

olddragger

iTrader: (3)

One thing to remember on the stalling. After every flash my car takes about 1-2 days to settle down and idle right. Before you give up on it --since it is a learning ecu--give it a little time. My stalled big time the 1st day when I got the S done. Runs great now

I wonder if pre mix will still be good for this engine even after the new flash--?
Olddragger

Nubo

Sounds like a driveability issue

Nubo

I wonder if the situation changes after the flash. I.e., if the flash is tailored towards making functional seal with 5w20 by increasing MOP output, might heavier oils then start giving problems?


nahhh! I worry too much

ASH8

I said as a general rule...they don't...the operational number system in claiming costs from Mazda is to Remove old part and to Replace with new one, you are(Dealer) not paid to find the fault in the first instance.

The Mazda (Japan) operational number data system is the same worldwide, please can you post a 'diagnosis' "Operational Number" to support your claim.

ASH8

I will add, like here many Dealers TRY to claim extra in the diagnosis of faults, however, IF and its a rare IF they are paid, it is never the amount they are asking for, and it is adjudicated/paid for at a distributor level, not reimbursed from Factory.

zoom44

nahh vegas tell me EXACTLY how it happened. how far from the dealer distance/time what gear was it warm etc etc- every detail you can think of

New Yorker

If you believe the RX-8 is a good, reliable car—and I do—then now (with fears of the recall) would be a great time to start looking for one. Though as good as prices are today, I suspect they'll drop even lower and bottom out in December (when everyone's Xmas shopping and has no money for a new car—and when people who do want a new car don't want a sports car). Of course, if you find the 8 of your dreams before then, buy it. It's just like buying a house—buy when the market bottoms out.

vegas RX8

Zoom44 - The car was sitting in the service desk area when it stalled in Neutral. The service rep had just driven it up to the service desk area for me to get in and drive when I went to put my cd case on the passenger's seat and it turned off. The service rep admitted that he didn't let the engine warm up before he drove it (I heard him tell the tech) but that it should still be okay. They restarted the car and let it idle/warm up and the rpm's were fluctuating around 500 rpm to 1500 rpm back and forth for like 30 seconds and then it turned off again. They restarted it again and drove it back into the shop area, plugged it in for the diagnostic and it kicked out an "everything checks out fine" and well that's where it ended. I'm telling you the techs and the rep are just baffled by my RX8, they just can't get it figured out. So what else am I left to try? The Mazda engineers have already looked at it, walked them thru 2 engine replacements, replaced starters, ignitions, coils, wire sets etc. and still nothing. My only other choice is to try and drive it to So Cal but who knows if it will make it. At this point I think the dealership would love to get rid of my car because it has been kicking their asses for over a month and a half. What else is a brother to do?

vegas.