"Mazda expects to recall RX-8s"
09-01-2006, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by vegas RX8
Zoom44 - The car was sitting in the service desk area when it stalled in Neutral. The service rep had just driven it up to the service desk area for me to get in and drive when I went to put my cd case on the passenger's seat and it turned off. The service rep admitted that he didn't let the engine warm up before he drove it (I heard him tell the tech) but that it should still be okay. They restarted the car and let it idle/warm up and the rpm's were fluctuating around 500 rpm to 1500 rpm back and forth for like 30 seconds and then it turned off again. They restarted it again and drove it back into the shop area, plugged it in for the diagnostic and it kicked out an "everything checks out fine" and well that's where it ended. I'm telling you the techs and the rep are just baffled by my RX8, they just can't get it figured out. So what else am I left to try? The Mazda engineers have already looked at it, walked them thru 2 engine replacements, replaced starters, ignitions, coils, wire sets etc. and still nothing. My only other choice is to try and drive it to So Cal but who knows if it will make it. At this point I think the dealership would love to get rid of my car because it has been kicking their asses for over a month and a half. What else is a brother to do?
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09-01-2006, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by vegas RX8
Zoom44 - The car was sitting in the service desk area when it stalled in Neutral. The service rep had just driven it up to the service desk area for me to get in and drive when I went to put my cd case on the passenger's seat and it turned off. The service rep admitted that he didn't let the engine warm up before he drove it (I heard him tell the tech) but that it should still be okay. They restarted the car and let it idle/warm up and the rpm's were fluctuating around 500 rpm to 1500 rpm back and forth for like 30 seconds and then it turned off again. They restarted it again and drove it back into the shop area, plugged it in for the diagnostic and it kicked out an "everything checks out fine" and well that's where it ended. I'm telling you the techs and the rep are just baffled by my RX8, they just can't get it figured out. So what else am I left to try? The Mazda engineers have already looked at it, walked them thru 2 engine replacements, replaced starters, ignitions, coils, wire sets etc. and still nothing. My only other choice is to try and drive it to So Cal but who knows if it will make it. At this point I think the dealership would love to get rid of my car because it has been kicking their asses for over a month and a half. What else is a brother to do?
vegas.
vegas.
Don't take no for an answer.
Hire an attorney with experience in Magnusson-Moss and consumer law (as it applies to motor vehicle issues [aka 'Lemon Law'] if thye make you.
Sorry to everyone who doesn't agree, but there's absolutely no reason a car company shouldn't do the right thing when the car doesn't 'work.'
09-01-2006, 11:08 PM
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Let me give you my professional opinion. You have a drop dead open and shut lemon law case. Get a new car. Every manufacture spits out a few lemons. My sister had a 97' Accord that was in the shop eight times and they could not figure it out. They took the car back after some negotiating with me and she recieved another 97' Accord EX that she stills dirves and refuses to sell. It has had 180k trouble free miles. I have replaced the timing belt but other than that it has been a great car.
09-01-2006, 11:17 PM
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Dang, my new 06 is included in the darn recall... by less than 1400 units according to my VIN! Oh, and I happen to live in THE worst climate, AND I'm still running on the original oil (only 2000 miles on the car), AND I've had to cross the hot CA desert 5 times in the car so far at "low altitude cruise"... LOL Perhaps the PCM settings could explain the poor mileage in 106 degree conditions? Mileage picks up 5 MPG when I cross in to LA, even with stop and go traffic!
09-02-2006, 12:17 AM
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I called Mazda NA today and they said dealers can do the recall w/o the recall letter. He says if ANY dealer gives you crap, just call Mazda NA. Jim Ellis Mazda in Marrietta, GA told me on the phone they won't do it until I get the letter...so I am shopping for a new dealer in the Atlanta area now.
09-02-2006, 01:03 AM
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My letters (one for recall, one for warranty extension) arrived from Mazda today. They were mailed from Brea, CA, which is the city right next door to me.
Too bad I don't have an RX-8 anymore. I'll forward the letters on to the guy I sold it to. "Hey! Hope you're enjoying the 8. Want the good news, or the bad news?"
Too bad I don't have an RX-8 anymore. I'll forward the letters on to the guy I sold it to. "Hey! Hope you're enjoying the 8. Want the good news, or the bad news?"
09-02-2006, 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by vegas RX8
Zoom44 - The car was sitting in the service desk area when it stalled in Neutral. The service rep had just driven it up to the service desk area for me to get in and drive when I went to put my cd case on the passenger's seat and it turned off. The service rep admitted that he didn't let the engine warm up before he drove it (I heard him tell the tech) but that it should still be okay. They restarted the car and let it idle/warm up and the rpm's were fluctuating around 500 rpm to 1500 rpm back and forth for like 30 seconds and then it turned off again. They restarted it again and drove it back into the shop area, plugged it in for the diagnostic and it kicked out an "everything checks out fine" and well that's where it ended. I'm telling you the techs and the rep are just baffled by my RX8, they just can't get it figured out. So what else am I left to try? The Mazda engineers have already looked at it, walked them thru 2 engine replacements, replaced starters, ignitions, coils, wire sets etc. and still nothing. My only other choice is to try and drive it to So Cal but who knows if it will make it. At this point I think the dealership would love to get rid of my car because it has been kicking their asses for over a month and a half. What else is a brother to do?
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if just the short block there have been some problems with the intake mating surface not being true...
and my car with the s flash has done the weird 800 to 1500 idle thing a time of two..
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09-02-2006, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by swoope
did they just replace the short block or the whole motor. intake and all???
if just the short block there have been some problems with the intake mating surface not being true...
and my car with the s flash has done the weird 800 to 1500 idle thing a time of two..
beers
if just the short block there have been some problems with the intake mating surface not being true...
and my car with the s flash has done the weird 800 to 1500 idle thing a time of two..
beers
Customer states check engine light is on. History PDS code P0301 Cylinder 1 misfire. Idle fluctuating at 750 to 900 rpms. Spoke with Techline. Recommend replacing with new engine. Replaced engine assy. Test drove 30 miles. Okay.
2 N3H2-13-257 Insulator
1 N3Z3-10-S50B Gasket
1 N3H3-02-200R-00 Engine, SHO
1 PKFE043OIL Oil Change
1 9956-41-400 Gasket
1 B6Y1-14-302-9A Filter, oil
5 0000-77-501E-02 SAE 5W-20
1 5555-FG-002 Warr-HFC/R
1 0000-77-501E-02 Mazda Cool
1 N3H1-14-604 Ring, O
1 N3H1-15-171 Thermostat
-1 N3H3-02-200R-00 Core Return
Thanks. vegas.
09-02-2006, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by RexApex
PS. However, if hte reflash caused the stalling problem, then that would be quite disturbing, but people have been getting the new flash for a couple of weeks already right?
09-02-2006, 11:31 AM
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Carefully edited excerpts from:
Even with recall notices, Mazda beats Toyota, and let's show Beavis and Butthead on a sofa laughing and saying
"They said: " enthusiasts, collectors, heh heh!" This little car is going to go collectable!
Originally Posted by T-REX
Still, Mazda execs seem to have responded marginally better than their counterparts at Toyota, who immediately blamed the customer for engine sludge problems that put 3.3 million Toyota and Lexus vehicles at risk for engine failure. Toyota extended engine warranties under certain circumstances, while Mazda will replace any engine that fails a vacuum test at the dealership.
RX-8s are owned and driven by enthusiasts, not by simple consumers who hate cars Many enthusiasts, especially collectors, like to keep their cars ]
RX-8s are owned and driven by enthusiasts, not by simple consumers who hate cars Many enthusiasts, especially collectors, like to keep their cars ]
"They said: " enthusiasts, collectors, heh heh!" This little car is going to go collectable!
09-02-2006, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by vegas RX8
Here is the write up I got with this last replacement:
Customer states check engine light is on. History PDS code P0301 Cylinder 1 misfire. Idle fluctuating at 750 to 900 rpms. Spoke with Techline. Recommend replacing with new engine. Replaced engine assy. Test drove 30 miles. Okay.
2 N3H2-13-257 Insulator
1 N3Z3-10-S50B Gasket
1 N3H3-02-200R-00 Engine, SHO
1 PKFE043OIL Oil Change
1 9956-41-400 Gasket
1 B6Y1-14-302-9A Filter, oil
5 0000-77-501E-02 SAE 5W-20
1 5555-FG-002 Warr-HFC/R
1 0000-77-501E-02 Mazda Cool
1 N3H1-14-604 Ring, O
1 N3H1-15-171 Thermostat
-1 N3H3-02-200R-00 Core Return
Thanks. vegas.
Customer states check engine light is on. History PDS code P0301 Cylinder 1 misfire. Idle fluctuating at 750 to 900 rpms. Spoke with Techline. Recommend replacing with new engine. Replaced engine assy. Test drove 30 miles. Okay.
2 N3H2-13-257 Insulator
1 N3Z3-10-S50B Gasket
1 N3H3-02-200R-00 Engine, SHO
1 PKFE043OIL Oil Change
1 9956-41-400 Gasket
1 B6Y1-14-302-9A Filter, oil
5 0000-77-501E-02 SAE 5W-20
1 5555-FG-002 Warr-HFC/R
1 0000-77-501E-02 Mazda Cool
1 N3H1-14-604 Ring, O
1 N3H1-15-171 Thermostat
-1 N3H3-02-200R-00 Core Return
Thanks. vegas.
They do not replace the Engine they just rebuild it. I marked the core. The mark is still there.
09-02-2006, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Winfree
Carefully edited excerpts from:
Even with recall notices, Mazda beats Toyota, and let's show Beavis and Butthead on a sofa laughing and saying
"They said: " enthusiasts, collectors, heh heh!" This little car is going to go collectable!
Even with recall notices, Mazda beats Toyota, and let's show Beavis and Butthead on a sofa laughing and saying
"They said: " enthusiasts, collectors, heh heh!" This little car is going to go collectable!
09-02-2006, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DOMINION
Welcome to the new Engine club.
They do not replace the Engine they just rebuild it. I marked the core. The mark is still there.
They do not replace the Engine they just rebuild it. I marked the core. The mark is still there.
The data provided by vegas RX-8 shows a rebuilt motor supplied by MNOA,part no N3H3-02-200R-00 and a core returned to MNOA.
09-02-2006, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ASH8
I said as a general rule...they don't...the operational number system in claiming costs from Mazda is to Remove old part and to Replace with new one, you are(Dealer) not paid to find the fault in the first instance.
The Mazda (Japan) operational number data system is the same worldwide, please can you post a 'diagnosis' "Operational Number" to support your claim.
The Mazda (Japan) operational number data system is the same worldwide, please can you post a 'diagnosis' "Operational Number" to support your claim.
09-02-2006, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DOMINION
They do not replace the Engine they just rebuild it. I marked the core. The mark is still there.
Makes me wonder about the dealer??
There is no way they do rebuilds and turn them over that fast.....
Maybe it's the same motor???
09-02-2006, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Aratinga
My letters (one for recall, one for warranty extension) arrived from Mazda today. They were mailed from Brea, CA, which is the city right next door to me.
Too bad I don't have an RX-8 anymore. I'll forward the letters on to the guy I sold it to. "Hey! Hope you're enjoying the 8. Want the good news, or the bad news?"
Too bad I don't have an RX-8 anymore. I'll forward the letters on to the guy I sold it to. "Hey! Hope you're enjoying the 8. Want the good news, or the bad news?"
09-02-2006, 05:20 PM
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I repeat---every time i have had a new flash done the car did not run right for about a day or 2--I wonder if the techs are installing the engine but are not road driving the car at all. This ecu has to learn the engine it has under it's control. The numbers of all the testing will be fine. Hell the 1st 5 drive cycles after I got the S I had to hold the throttle down so the idle never got under 1k or it would stall every time. 2nd day it was a little better,3nd 4th day it was good.
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09-02-2006, 05:40 PM
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Took my '06 in for the visor replacement last week and they checked the recall status, scheduled an appt next week. Today the official notice arrived--Mazda is extending the warranty period to 5 years/60k miles from original purchase date, providing a replacement vehicle if the engine needs replacing, reimbursing owners of "reasonable" costs if they have had to repair any of the parts in question--it appears they are acting responsibly since this is voluntary and care about the reputation. Hopefully, the dealers mechanics are up to speed on diagnosing and correcting so that people don't have to keep returning.
09-02-2006, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by olddragger
I repeat---every time i have had a new flash done the car did not run right for about a day or 2--I wonder if the techs are installing the engine but are not road driving the car at all. This ecu has to learn the engine it has under it's control. The numbers of all the testing will be fine. Hell the 1st 5 drive cycles after I got the S I had to hold the throttle down so the idle never got under 1k or it would stall every time. 2nd day it was a little better,3nd 4th day it was good.
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09-02-2006, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Mine always runs much better immediately after an ECU reset.
Each acr is different.
Each acr is different.
So does mine but as Proffesor Somner Miller Would ask why is it so ?
Michael