"Mazda expects to recall RX-8s"
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Originally Posted by Tirminyl
What did you extend your warranty out to?
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Originally Posted by cooldriver88
I just got my letters today and I have some questions.
Now that it looks like my warranties has been bumped out to 5 years or 60,000 miles. I had my clutch replaced after having the car for 1 year 1 month and it was just out of the warranty, but now it says I could get re-reimbursed for previous work. So would this be covered by that?
Also it says it covers transmission stuff, and I wonder if I could get my transmission fixed for free. Because it is hard to shift into 5th at higher rmp's and it’s harder to down shift into first at about 20 mph.
And if I go there to have this work done should I put back on all my stock parts (I have an intake, high flow cat, and cat back exhaust on the car right now) because I don’t want them to say that those parts void my warranty.
Also with Racing Beats new flash that they came out with, are people going to have problems with them? Because the new flash adds more oil to the motor to keep in more lubed up, but will the RB be adequate???
Now that it looks like my warranties has been bumped out to 5 years or 60,000 miles. I had my clutch replaced after having the car for 1 year 1 month and it was just out of the warranty, but now it says I could get re-reimbursed for previous work. So would this be covered by that?
Also it says it covers transmission stuff, and I wonder if I could get my transmission fixed for free. Because it is hard to shift into 5th at higher rmp's and it’s harder to down shift into first at about 20 mph.
And if I go there to have this work done should I put back on all my stock parts (I have an intake, high flow cat, and cat back exhaust on the car right now) because I don’t want them to say that those parts void my warranty.
Also with Racing Beats new flash that they came out with, are people going to have problems with them? Because the new flash adds more oil to the motor to keep in more lubed up, but will the RB be adequate???
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Originally Posted by msrecant
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This is the bullsh-t that I can't deal with. The customer shouldn't have to "correct" the dealership on a technical issue. Whether it is incompetence or maliciousness we shouldn't have to put up with it.
The plugs should have been changed as part of the standard prep and the ecu flashed.
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I got my extended warranty notice in yesterday's mail. Nice to have the extra year (I have 3 years and 20K miles on the car so far). Definitely a help with the resale value of 2004s/2005s.
Now I am just waiting for the recall notice.
Now I am just waiting for the recall notice.
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Originally Posted by cooldriver88
Also it says it covers transmission stuff, and I wonder if I could get my transmission fixed for free. Because it is hard to shift into 5th at higher rmp's and it’s harder to down shift into first at about 20 mph.
Also, clutch are wear items. Did you pay for a new clutch? Or pressure plate and just had them do the work? Or did they replace the part that failed and you paid labor? Im not understanding that part. Though I am really tired so my reading comprehension could be off. If they are replacing a part in your transmission because of failure, that is warranty work and you should not have to pay for labor.
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I just sifted trough 90 pages and I still don't have the sense that anybody knows what cause of the problem is or how the flash solves it.
What is the problem:
1. damaged cat OR
2. low compression
What is the cause:
1. Apex seal damage OR
2. side seal damage causing oil control ring damage OR
3. carbon build up if the problem is only #2
How will increasing the OMP output fix these problems.
Guess for #1 and 2: reduce friction
Guess for #3: ????
What is the problem:
1. damaged cat OR
2. low compression
What is the cause:
1. Apex seal damage OR
2. side seal damage causing oil control ring damage OR
3. carbon build up if the problem is only #2
How will increasing the OMP output fix these problems.
Guess for #1 and 2: reduce friction
Guess for #3: ????
Last edited by CCarlisi; 09-03-2006 at 10:17 PM.
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Originally Posted by CCarlisi
I just sifted trough 90 pages and I still don't have the sense that anybody knows what cause of the problem is or how the flash solves it.
What is the problem:
1. damaged cat OR
2. low compression
What is the cause:
1. Apex seal damage OR
2. side seal damage causing oil control ring damage OR
3. carbon build up if the problem is only #2
How will increasing the OMP output fix these problems.
Guess for #1 and 2: reduce friction
Guess for #3: ????
What is the problem:
1. damaged cat OR
2. low compression
What is the cause:
1. Apex seal damage OR
2. side seal damage causing oil control ring damage OR
3. carbon build up if the problem is only #2
How will increasing the OMP output fix these problems.
Guess for #1 and 2: reduce friction
Guess for #3: ????
The carbon issue was stated to be a issue with synthetic oil in the engines, which is somewhat controvercial, I would just skipping worrying about that one as I doubt that applies to you.
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Originally Posted by CCarlisi
I just sifted trough 90 pages and I still don't have the sense that anybody knows what cause of the problem is or how the flash solves it.
What is the problem:
1. damaged cat OR
2. low compression
What is the cause:
1. Apex seal damage OR
2. side seal damage causing oil control ring damage OR
3. carbon build up if the problem is only #2
How will increasing the OMP output fix these problems.
Guess for #1 and 2: reduce friction
Guess for #3: ????
What is the problem:
1. damaged cat OR
2. low compression
What is the cause:
1. Apex seal damage OR
2. side seal damage causing oil control ring damage OR
3. carbon build up if the problem is only #2
How will increasing the OMP output fix these problems.
Guess for #1 and 2: reduce friction
Guess for #3: ????
Correct lubrication results in better compression, but too much results in emission problems, blocked CATS, spark plug fowling and higher deposits.
The only real way to remove excess carbon/deposits is to strip the motor.
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Well there you go...^^^...two very similar opinions entered from 2 different parts of the world.!
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Thanks for the reply.
Lets make sure we keep the cause/effects straight. Oil does not have any impact on power. It can reduce compression by damaging the seals and that effects power. You may have meant just that, but I want to make sure as your comma usage suggests otherwise (to me).
Didn't the Mazda press release say something about it being caused by oil leaking into the combustion chamber? If that is true, it sounds like a side seal problem that causes an oil control ring problem. I don't see how else the symptom of low compression could be tied to converter damage, unless the ecu is doing something or not doing something based on a change in compression.
Thanks for the reply, but I doubt a little more oil would stop the seals from sticking if they were otherwise. It also doesn't explain how oil is destroying the cats.
Originally Posted by brillo
Its rather simple, the major problem is the lack of oil injection under certain engine load scenario's that has been causing lack of power and compression, as well as damage to engine seals for some, but not all cars.
The cat issue is not really related but is another common problem caused by engines flooding. The flooding is a result of a crappy ECU tune at the begining of the RX8's life back in 2003/2004 and spark plug design.
This is how I see it, the rotary relies on internal (combustion) lubrication from sump oil metered by the MOP, the re-flash will supply a greater quantity of oil to help prevent sticking apex, side and or corner seals that can occur when there is not enough lube. Sticking seals result in poor compression, hence poor performance.
Correct lubrication results in better compression, but too much results in emission problems, blocked CATS, spark plug fowling and higher deposits.
The only real way to remove excess carbon/deposits is to strip the motor.
Correct lubrication results in better compression, but too much results in emission problems, blocked CATS, spark plug fowling and higher deposits.
The only real way to remove excess carbon/deposits is to strip the motor.
Last edited by CCarlisi; 09-03-2006 at 11:33 PM.
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This is over your head, I don't expect you to contribute anything here, but please don't waste everyone's time by posting comments like that. You've got 3000+ posts, you can afford to sit this one out.
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carbon deposit problem??
Maybe I missed this issue being addressed before, but can someone summarize what effects increased MOP injection with the latest flash would have on carbon deposits and build up??
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I heard this whole problem is caused when the Johnson Rod fails to engage the nanoplate, and the Carborendum is then FUBARed.
The ECU flash reprograms the eliptical timing of the Johnson Rod, and better compression and an additional 12 horsepower is the result.
The ECU flash reprograms the eliptical timing of the Johnson Rod, and better compression and an additional 12 horsepower is the result.
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Originally Posted by RotoRocket
.......additional 12 horsepower is the result.
You were wrong....SO THERE!!
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Originally Posted by CCarlisi
This is over your head, I don't expect you to contribute anything here, but please don't waste everyone's time by posting comments like that. You've got 3000+ posts, you can afford to sit this one out.
Obviously, your handle on cause/effect is the one that needs to be addressed.
Perhaps you should read the recall documentation a little more carefully?
Yay! Another page-topper! I think I'm going for a record.
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Originally Posted by CCarlisi
Thanks for the reply.
Lets make sure we keep the cause/effects straight. Oil does not have any impact on power. It can reduce compression by damaging the seals and that effects power. You may have meant just that, but I want to make sure as your comma usage suggests otherwise (to me).
Didn't the Mazda press release say something about it being caused by oil leaking into the combustion chamber? If that is true, it sounds like a side seal problem that causes an oil control ring problem. I don't see how else the symptom of low compression could be tied to converter damage, unless the ecu is doing something or not doing something based on a change in compression.
Thanks for the reply, but I doubt a little more oil would stop the seals from sticking if they were otherwise. It also doesn't explain how oil is destroying the cats.
Lets make sure we keep the cause/effects straight. Oil does not have any impact on power. It can reduce compression by damaging the seals and that effects power. You may have meant just that, but I want to make sure as your comma usage suggests otherwise (to me).
Didn't the Mazda press release say something about it being caused by oil leaking into the combustion chamber? If that is true, it sounds like a side seal problem that causes an oil control ring problem. I don't see how else the symptom of low compression could be tied to converter damage, unless the ecu is doing something or not doing something based on a change in compression.
Thanks for the reply, but I doubt a little more oil would stop the seals from sticking if they were otherwise. It also doesn't explain how oil is destroying the cats.
IF you Don't like the answer don't ask the question.
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Originally Posted by demob05
Maybe I missed this issue being addressed before, but can someone summarize what effects increased MOP injection with the latest flash would have on carbon deposits and build up??
Long term the only way to remove it is to strip the engine and wire wheel it off.
It is also MMC (Mazda Japans) technical opinion that SOME (most IMO) Synthetic oils leave a greater deposit/build up when used compared to mineral engine oils, and they also believe that synthetic oils over time deteriorate oil control ring O rings, which in turn will allow excess engine oil to leak into combustion chambers.
But what would Mazda Japan know....less than others here that's for sure..
I will repeat that MMC have been very consistent about the use of semi and full synthetic engine oils for ANY rotary engine.
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Originally Posted by ASH8
I will repeat that MMC have been very consistent about the use of semi and full synthetic engine oils for ANY rotary engine.
And it is a HC-Oil!
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I received the Warranty extension notice in the mail yesterday, but no recall information. I assume since I'm in a cooler climate area, I'll be one of the last to get the recall.
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Originally Posted by ASH8
I will repeat that MMC have been very consistent about the use of semi and full synthetic engine oils for ANY rotary engine.
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Originally Posted by Tirminyl
Why are you shifting into 1st at 20mph?
Also, clutch are wear items. Did you pay for a new clutch? Or pressure plate and just had them do the work? Or did they replace the part that failed and you paid labor? Im not understanding that part. Though I am really tired so my reading comprehension could be off. If they are replacing a part in your transmission because of failure, that is warranty work and you should not have to pay for labor.
Also, clutch are wear items. Did you pay for a new clutch? Or pressure plate and just had them do the work? Or did they replace the part that failed and you paid labor? Im not understanding that part. Though I am really tired so my reading comprehension could be off. If they are replacing a part in your transmission because of failure, that is warranty work and you should not have to pay for labor.
I got the pressure plate replaced along with some other stuff like the thorwout bearing exct... but the parts I don’t really care about trying to get my money back for, it was that damn expensive labor that I want to try and get reimbursed for.
Like I said previously I live in a very steep area so my clutch goes out more easily, having to do a bunch of stop and go stuff on steep hills kills my clutch.
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Originally Posted by CCarlisi
I just sifted trough 90 pages and I still don't have the sense that anybody knows what cause of the problem is or how the flash solves it.
What is the problem:
1. damaged cat OR
2. low compression
What is the problem:
1. damaged cat OR
2. low compression
2 - they're not doing a compression test. They are measuring vacuum, and from what I've read you can have compression within specs, but fail the vacuum test.
What is the cause:
1. Apex seal damage OR
2. side seal damage causing oil control ring damage OR
3. carbon build up if the problem is only #2
1. Apex seal damage OR
2. side seal damage causing oil control ring damage OR
3. carbon build up if the problem is only #2
How will increasing the OMP output fix these problems.
Guess for #1 and 2: reduce friction
Guess for #3: ????
Guess for #1 and 2: reduce friction
Guess for #3: ????
First, you must maintain the seal to prevent blowby and subsequent rubber seal damage. Thiis requires oil film of sufficient thickness. Secondly (and this is guess), you need a sufficient amount of liquid oil so that oil beginning to carbonize is held in suspension (and able to be scraped/blown away) rather than being allowed to bond to one spot and harden into permanent deposits.