Mazda Racing Credibility
01-31-2007, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Mazmart
Mazda's story is similar but on a completely different scale. They've been racing and winning for longer than you may realize. Their international racing success is closer to 40 years than 20 and even included Landspeed records and drag race records dating back to the 70s. They've won championships with Off Road trucks even (Rotary powered I might add). They may truly rank as the most successful for their size and expenditure of any maker at any time.
That takes nothing away from Ford and nobody's bubble has to be bursted.
Paul.
That takes nothing away from Ford and nobody's bubble has to be bursted.
Paul.
In the 1970's Mazda Japan were extremely successful in their Domestic Class racing...RX-2'.RX-3's....then in the 1980's RX-7...Both in the US,
Japan and Australia and Europe.
In Australia like the US, Rotaries have been racing in one form or another..
The FD RX-7(Mazda Australia backed) won every Bathurst 12 hour (Four) against Porsche and Holden V8's.
BTW..The Bathurst 12 is back this Easter this Year with an RX-8 entered.
The 12 hour are PRODUCTION Class "off the showroom floor" racing with little mods.
You have RX-8's racing in England...
And Mazda Japan sponsor and fit out NRA Racing Series of MX-5 (Miata).
Our mate Japan8 could tell us a lot more.
01-31-2007, 05:19 PM
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I watched that speed report also and was stunned when that bimbo said what she did. She's an idiot. In fact, the guy on that show sucks too.
bring back Varsha . that show was good. You think Varsha would ever say something like that? I 'm sure she didn't write it, but if Varsha had that handed to him he'd laugh.
freeeekin joke that show is. When does Despain come back?
bring back Varsha . that show was good. You think Varsha would ever say something like that? I 'm sure she didn't write it, but if Varsha had that handed to him he'd laugh.
freeeekin joke that show is. When does Despain come back?
01-31-2007, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Mazmart
Mazda's story is similar but on a completely different scale. They've been racing and winning for longer than you may realize. Their international racing success is closer to 40 years than 20 and even included Landspeed records and drag race records dating back to the 70s. They've won championships with Off Road trucks even (Rotary powered I might add). They may truly rank as the most successful for their size and expenditure of any maker at any time.
That takes nothing away from Ford and nobody's bubble has to be bursted.
Paul.
That takes nothing away from Ford and nobody's bubble has to be bursted.
Paul.
they have accomplished much for a company that is as small as they are, but when put next to Ford the accomplishments get outshadowed pretty quickly...
01-31-2007, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by r0tor
hate to be the bubble burster here, but while Mazda has good sucess in road racing in the last 20 years - Fords racing history dates back 100 years and they have won championships in pretty much everything possible... Nascar, Indy CArs, F1, LeMans, Daytona, WRC, Touring Cars, Drifting, Sprint Cars, Midgets, Off Road racing, Endurance racing, Drag Racing... -insert any other type of racing you can think of-
Hell, Henry Ford started the company by racing...
Hell, Henry Ford started the company by racing...
02-01-2007, 12:30 AM
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remember that the new ford focus used as a platform for the ford WRC is based off a mazda 3 chassis and the 2.0 engine in that car is a mazda designed 2.0 (MZR) with a ford head which makes it duratec
02-01-2007, 08:30 PM
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Geez, you had to bring drifting into it! Drifting is like a dance recital in that it is judged which never fair and balanced. Races are won, not judged so therefore difting is not racing but that's just my bitter opinion about it.
02-08-2007, 10:28 AM
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[QUOTE=Rosko350z]Sorry for the novel.
I think ovals and drag racing are gay.
Hey Rosko350z, just curious, have you been to any Top Fuel drag racing events?? Only reason I say this is because on TV, BORING. But in real life, WOWY WOW!! I LOVE drag racing. Nothing like a 'car' shooting up a quarter mile in 4.6 seconds. Anything that makes your internals shake as it passes by has to get the blood boiling. Then again, I was brought up in the drag racing scene (father used to drag..)
I think ovals and drag racing are gay.
Hey Rosko350z, just curious, have you been to any Top Fuel drag racing events?? Only reason I say this is because on TV, BORING. But in real life, WOWY WOW!! I LOVE drag racing. Nothing like a 'car' shooting up a quarter mile in 4.6 seconds. Anything that makes your internals shake as it passes by has to get the blood boiling. Then again, I was brought up in the drag racing scene (father used to drag..)
02-10-2007, 12:41 AM
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[QUOTE=Endgame]
Going to drag races is a lot of fun and the history of it is quite interesting. I would venture a guess that anyone that talks bad about drag racing has never been to a decent size event. It's also a great place to observe white trash in their natural element. 
Originally Posted by Rosko350z
Sorry for the novel.
I think ovals and drag racing are gay.
Hey Rosko350z, just curious, have you been to any Top Fuel drag racing events?? Only reason I say this is because on TV, BORING. But in real life, WOWY WOW!! I LOVE drag racing. Nothing like a 'car' shooting up a quarter mile in 4.6 seconds. Anything that makes your internals shake as it passes by has to get the blood boiling. Then again, I was brought up in the drag racing scene (father used to drag..)
I think ovals and drag racing are gay.
Hey Rosko350z, just curious, have you been to any Top Fuel drag racing events?? Only reason I say this is because on TV, BORING. But in real life, WOWY WOW!! I LOVE drag racing. Nothing like a 'car' shooting up a quarter mile in 4.6 seconds. Anything that makes your internals shake as it passes by has to get the blood boiling. Then again, I was brought up in the drag racing scene (father used to drag..)
02-10-2007, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Rootski
They also have ther own Formula Mazda series... it's a lot like Formula Ford... but the cars are all Renesis powered.
Originally Posted by BlueRenesis82
Star Mazda
The Star Mazda Series is a professional feeder series currently built around 240-hp, Renesis powered, carbon fiber monocoque Pro Formula Mazda cars. This car was introduced in 2004.
Prior to that, the Series used a 180-hp, 13B powered, tube-frame chassis car simply called a Formula Mazda. This car is still eligible and competing at the club racing level, and is the basis for the SCCA Formula Mazda class.
02-10-2007, 09:27 AM
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Speed's commentaries aren't known for their command of the english language. "Credibility" wasn't the correct word, "history" would have been the better choice.
Ford has a rich history with Champ Car. Nevermind they didn't design the motors, they funded them. Had the engines been designed by Ford they would have been looking for more ways to use cast iron.
Ford has a rich history with Champ Car. Nevermind they didn't design the motors, they funded them. Had the engines been designed by Ford they would have been looking for more ways to use cast iron.
02-10-2007, 10:13 AM
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I've been to a top fuel drag racing event. It's impressive from a sheer power standpoint but quite frankly still boring as hell. I have no desire to go back to another one.
02-10-2007, 07:48 PM
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I prefer multi category "tin top" racing or touring car racing on circuits that have some character...to any oval/circuit racing which is easy for spectators to see..but, for me its pretty boring, like top fuel.
.........
A1
F1
Indy 300
Bathurst
Nurbergring
Rallying
Circuits with real corners, bends, hills, straights.
.........
A1
F1
Indy 300
Bathurst
Nurbergring
Rallying
Circuits with real corners, bends, hills, straights.
02-13-2007, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Phade2
That's because race officials banned the rotary after the race citing 'unfair' advantages.
02-20-2007, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueRenesis82
ford owns a stake in mazda, i think around 30%.
yes mazda does supply formula atlantic, as well as star mazda.
yes mazda does supply formula atlantic, as well as star mazda.
02-20-2007, 10:03 AM
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[QUOTE=Endgame]
No, I've never been to a real, sanctioned drag race. But I'll tell you what, if anyone ever offers me some free tickets to an event at Gainesville, I'll head up there and watch. I didn't even know there were cars that could do the quarter mile that fast. Seriously, I bet it's good fun, but I already watch an unhealthy amount of racing - mostly on tv and the occassional trip to Sebring - I don't think I can add one more series to my bursting-at-its-seems DVR. Oh yes, one more bit of hypocrisy; I watched the entire Daytona 500, just so I could root for Montoya. Hopefully, Allmendinger can race in the next one too. God help me.
Originally Posted by Rosko350z
Sorry for the novel.
I think ovals and drag racing are gay.
Hey Rosko350z, just curious, have you been to any Top Fuel drag racing events?? Only reason I say this is because on TV, BORING. But in real life, WOWY WOW!! I LOVE drag racing. Nothing like a 'car' shooting up a quarter mile in 4.6 seconds. Anything that makes your internals shake as it passes by has to get the blood boiling. Then again, I was brought up in the drag racing scene (father used to drag..)
I think ovals and drag racing are gay.
Hey Rosko350z, just curious, have you been to any Top Fuel drag racing events?? Only reason I say this is because on TV, BORING. But in real life, WOWY WOW!! I LOVE drag racing. Nothing like a 'car' shooting up a quarter mile in 4.6 seconds. Anything that makes your internals shake as it passes by has to get the blood boiling. Then again, I was brought up in the drag racing scene (father used to drag..)
Oh yes, one more bit of hypocrisy; I watched the entire Daytona 500, just so I could root for Montoya. Hopefully, Allmendinger can race in the next one too. God help me.
02-20-2007, 11:20 AM
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Other than the International/road racing...
...commentators like Varsha, Posey, Matchet, Daly, Fish, Hobbs, etc. Speed has such a pornounced slant toward NASCAR that commentary coming from anyone else on anything but NASCAR should be taken with a grain of salt.
I'm glad to see the comments made about Mazda's dominence in IMSA during that series' heyday. The GTU division was theirs year after year and that participation led directly to the LeMans win. In fact, I look back with foundness on the IMSA days...when porottypes from Porsche, Nissan, Toyota, Mazda and others ruled street and road courses. Our generation's version of no-expense spared racing like Can-Am was in the 60's and 70's...
As for Ford, nothing need be said about their racing participation which is greater than any other company...anywhere! Ford races internationally like no one ever has (perhaps ever will) and races in more series and events simultaneously. A huge expense and effort for them. Oh, and for a testiment on how historical they've figured: in arguably the ultimate race series, Formula 1, their DFV engine design remained viable and competitive for over 20 years! If nothing else, Ford knows how to make on hell of a V-8!
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I'm glad to see the comments made about Mazda's dominence in IMSA during that series' heyday. The GTU division was theirs year after year and that participation led directly to the LeMans win. In fact, I look back with foundness on the IMSA days...when porottypes from Porsche, Nissan, Toyota, Mazda and others ruled street and road courses. Our generation's version of no-expense spared racing like Can-Am was in the 60's and 70's...
As for Ford, nothing need be said about their racing participation which is greater than any other company...anywhere! Ford races internationally like no one ever has (perhaps ever will) and races in more series and events simultaneously. A huge expense and effort for them. Oh, and for a testiment on how historical they've figured: in arguably the ultimate race series, Formula 1, their DFV engine design remained viable and competitive for over 20 years! If nothing else, Ford knows how to make on hell of a V-8!
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Originally Posted by Rosko350z
I just watched The Speed Report (from the Speed Channel). The subject came up of Champ Car losing Ford as its engine supplier / major sponsor. The hostess - who has a history of being negative toward anything non-NASCAR - said something along the following, "Hyundai, Mazda, and Cadillac are in talks to possibly sponsor / supply engines for Champ Car. But let's face it. All three of them combined don't have the racing credibility of Ford".
My jaw dropped.
Yes, Ford has probably spent more money and time on racing than Mazda, but the gap isn't that big. And, overall I just think Mazda spends money on more interesting series than does Ford.
Oh, and no, they'll never run rotaries in Champ Car, so don't even bring it up.
My jaw dropped.
Yes, Ford has probably spent more money and time on racing than Mazda, but the gap isn't that big. And, overall I just think Mazda spends money on more interesting series than does Ford.
Oh, and no, they'll never run rotaries in Champ Car, so don't even bring it up.
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