New RX-8 for next year, could this be true?(READ)
03-09-2007, 12:52 PM
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New RX-8 for next year, could this be true?(READ)
Today i went to have my oil changed and radiator flushed in my RX-8. Well i bumped into my sales guy who sold me my RX-8 last year. Well acording to him , Mazda plans on bringing out a new RX-8 next year. Granted i took this news as a grain of salt....
....But at the same time i kind of believe him with his info. When buying my car last January he told me Mazda was going to put out a more powerful A/T RX-8 later that year(2006)..... i laughed at his assumption and said to myself no way will Mazda do that.... later that year Mazda gave us a the 212HP A/T RX-8.
Bill my sales guy has been working at the same dealership since 1988,and has been with Mazda from that time too. He told me Mazda is very tight lip about there cars, and the public will find out when the public needs to know, basically, that how Mazda operates.
He told me don't be surprised if spy shots start surfacing between june and october of this year.
We shall see.....
....But at the same time i kind of believe him with his info. When buying my car last January he told me Mazda was going to put out a more powerful A/T RX-8 later that year(2006)..... i laughed at his assumption and said to myself no way will Mazda do that.... later that year Mazda gave us a the 212HP A/T RX-8.
Bill my sales guy has been working at the same dealership since 1988,and has been with Mazda from that time too. He told me Mazda is very tight lip about there cars, and the public will find out when the public needs to know, basically, that how Mazda operates.
He told me don't be surprised if spy shots start surfacing between june and october of this year.
We shall see.....
03-09-2007, 06:41 PM
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we should research on when the auto rx-8 threads started to surface... to really see if ur salesman knows things ahead of time like.. zoom44? haha
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03-09-2007, 07:02 PM
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He told me Mazda is very tight lip about there cars, and the public will find out when the public needs to know, basically, that how Mazda operates.
03-09-2007, 07:48 PM
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isn the redesign scheduled for a 2009/2010 MY? as posted in the mighty WIKI? Direct link here.
I hate how buying cars is like buying computer hardware: you can get what's available now, or you can way just THAT much longer to see whats comin up around the corner.
Personally, i could care less for a redesign. This car is physically PERFECT. Any engine power setbacks can be subsidized with aftermarkety goodness. Hopefully they dont go the route of Subaru's Impreza: i was completely in love with the MY04-05, then they kinda took a **** on it for 06-08 (SMALLER hoodscoop?? WTF??
). Same thing with the Honda Civic. the 96-00 body style was the most appealing to me, and while they nearly doubled the horsepower and juiced up the handling with the new Si coupe, kinda looks like someone wrapped it around the ugly tree 
I hate how buying cars is like buying computer hardware: you can get what's available now, or you can way just THAT much longer to see whats comin up around the corner.
Personally, i could care less for a redesign. This car is physically PERFECT. Any engine power setbacks can be subsidized with aftermarkety goodness. Hopefully they dont go the route of Subaru's Impreza: i was completely in love with the MY04-05, then they kinda took a **** on it for 06-08 (SMALLER hoodscoop?? WTF??
). Same thing with the Honda Civic. the 96-00 body style was the most appealing to me, and while they nearly doubled the horsepower and juiced up the handling with the new Si coupe, kinda looks like someone wrapped it around the ugly tree
03-09-2007, 08:02 PM
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He's as bad as Can
Just as an aside having been an almost daily user of this site since 2/2004 I can't think of one news item , recall, TSB etc that wasn't posted here first. So if it was true, it would have been posted here before any dealership would know about it.
03-09-2007, 08:55 PM
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According to Zoom44, 2008 will be last year for first gen. RX-8
https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-discussion-3/rumor-alert-2008-mazdaspeed-rx-8-turbo-111192/page2/
https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-discussion-3/rumor-alert-2008-mazdaspeed-rx-8-turbo-111192/page2/
03-09-2007, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by flomulgator
Anyone notice the similarity to Apple here? Many business analysts now think that this is a very good business model in the digital era. Reduces competition and promotes hype when a product is released.
03-09-2007, 09:53 PM
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The salesman might be talking about a Kabura based RX car. Spy photos around the summer, launch at the Tokyo Auto show in the fall, for sale coming the following spring - fits the time frame anyway.
03-10-2007, 09:30 AM
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Salesmen don't know anything more than the average person. In fact, even within MNAO most employees don't know about new models until the general public does. Only the executives and R & D people in the states are in the loop and they have to sign even stricter confidentiality agreements than the other MNAO employees.
Trust me, sales people usually don’t find out about new products until a local car enthusiast informs them from reading on a forum/magazine.
They do love rumors of new products that might increase their sales though.
When I sold Toyotas a while back, Sales Managers and others would tell us every day how they heard/know the next Supra is right around the corner. That was a long time ago, and hose rumors still exist to this day with no fruition.
The only new Mazda I would expect to see later this year is a redesigned 6. Everything is focused on launching the CX-9 and Tribute right now.
Trust me, sales people usually don’t find out about new products until a local car enthusiast informs them from reading on a forum/magazine.
They do love rumors of new products that might increase their sales though.
When I sold Toyotas a while back, Sales Managers and others would tell us every day how they heard/know the next Supra is right around the corner. That was a long time ago, and hose rumors still exist to this day with no fruition.
The only new Mazda I would expect to see later this year is a redesigned 6. Everything is focused on launching the CX-9 and Tribute right now.
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03-10-2007, 05:53 PM
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While I respect your salesman Bill..
It is a fact that dealership staff particularly "new car salespersons" are almost the last to know what is coming, particularly when their job is to sell what's on the floor NOW, not in 12 months time..even more when your talking about an existing model like the 8.
Sure, if it's an all new line of car...take pre-orders..
It is a fact that dealership staff particularly "new car salespersons" are almost the last to know what is coming, particularly when their job is to sell what's on the floor NOW, not in 12 months time..even more when your talking about an existing model like the 8.
Sure, if it's an all new line of car...take pre-orders..
03-10-2007, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by speedweasel
There definitely is a MS8 in works for North America for the 2008 model year.
Release date is soon....
Release date is soon....
Also, if a competitor knows the schedule of your release they can plan their releases to steal you thunder.
Also, if you are introducing a new feature then competitors have that much more time to develop their own equivalent.
This isn't a new business tactic it's been around for decades if not longer.
Example: A hundred years ago the Wright brothers operated in complete secrecy to keep other people who where working on powered flight from finding out about their ideas and attempting to steal them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_brothers
03-10-2007, 09:34 PM
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From a companies stand point it's not a terrible idea. They need to move what's in the pipeline now. If news of a new product is released, fewer people will buy what out now. In order to clear the delivery pipeline incentives (i.e. price cuts) are required. This eats into profits.
Also, if a competitor knows the schedule of your release they can plan their releases to steal you thunder.
Also, if you are introducing a new feature then competitors have that much more time to develop their own equivalent.
This isn't a new business tactic it's been around for decades if not longer.
Example: A hundred years ago the Wright brothers operated in complete secrecy to keep other people who where working on powered flight from finding out about their ideas and attempting to steal them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_brothers
Also, if a competitor knows the schedule of your release they can plan their releases to steal you thunder.
Also, if you are introducing a new feature then competitors have that much more time to develop their own equivalent.
This isn't a new business tactic it's been around for decades if not longer.
Example: A hundred years ago the Wright brothers operated in complete secrecy to keep other people who where working on powered flight from finding out about their ideas and attempting to steal them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_brothers
03-11-2007, 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by DailyDriver2k5
Today i went to have my oil changed and radiator flushed in my RX-8. Well i bumped into my sales guy who sold me my RX-8 last year. Well acording to him , Mazda plans on bringing out a new RX-8 next year. Granted i took this news as a grain of salt....
....But at the same time i kind of believe him with his info. When buying my car last January he told me Mazda was going to put out a more powerful A/T RX-8 later that year(2006)..... i laughed at his assumption and said to myself no way will Mazda do that.... later that year Mazda gave us a the 212HP A/T RX-8.
Bill my sales guy has been working at the same dealership since 1988,and has been with Mazda from that time too. He told me Mazda is very tight lip about there cars, and the public will find out when the public needs to know, basically, that how Mazda operates.
He told me don't be surprised if spy shots start surfacing between june and october of this year.
We shall see.....
....But at the same time i kind of believe him with his info. When buying my car last January he told me Mazda was going to put out a more powerful A/T RX-8 later that year(2006)..... i laughed at his assumption and said to myself no way will Mazda do that.... later that year Mazda gave us a the 212HP A/T RX-8.
Bill my sales guy has been working at the same dealership since 1988,and has been with Mazda from that time too. He told me Mazda is very tight lip about there cars, and the public will find out when the public needs to know, basically, that how Mazda operates.
He told me don't be surprised if spy shots start surfacing between june and october of this year.
We shall see.....
03-11-2007, 08:13 AM
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well it depends, if mazda is going for the new life cycle that they are using for theyr cars the next gen RX-8 should come in 2008 as a 2009 one year after the mazda6, if they use the rotary car life cycle no one knows
I dont see the point of keeping the rx-8 as it is for another year, sales are low, mazda doest have to spend a fortune to get a new rx-8 model out, a couple of cosmetics changes and an engine upgrade, thats it!
I dont see the point of keeping the rx-8 as it is for another year, sales are low, mazda doest have to spend a fortune to get a new rx-8 model out, a couple of cosmetics changes and an engine upgrade, thats it!
03-11-2007, 09:39 AM
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I have an idea. I'll take one for the team here and I'll get a job as a Mazda salesman. Then, I'll spy on the company with all of the good Sam Fisher tools and I'll post all of my findings here.
03-11-2007, 10:15 AM
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According to the schedule 2010 will introduce a new model, but what year that model will actually be released is another story. Mazda has delayed the introduction of new model years for the 8 for whatever reasons since 2005. On the other hand, they advanced the release of some models - I bought a 2007 CX7 a month after I bought a new 2005 RX8.
There may be a new 2 seater Rotary released in early 2008 - the key word is may. There are some concerns with market share over the Miata as the Pontiac Solstice and Dodge Demon are positioned squarely against it. The Solstice is overpriced and the Demon has a potent motor package option (300 HP turbo).
One thing thats driving sales of the "MG" class of sports cars are the gas prices. That sort of puts the rotary at a disadvantage. Mazda already has an excellent motor in the 2.3 and they certainly have the turbo packages figured out. From purely a profit level, putting a MS Miata on the market would probably pay off the most short term.
As far as the next 8, we'll very likely be seeing a new evolution of rotary. I can't say if it belongs to Mazda, but someone has a contract with Kennametal to fabricate what surely look like a rotor from Powdered Metal - a titanium composite. It could just be a pump component but it sure does look like a rotor - only maybe a tad larger then the 13B size.
Along the same speculation line is solving the issue of sequential shutdown. Using the Lamda Sensor technology won't allow a motor with no valves to do this since it pumps raw air into the exhaust. However our friends in Sweden (who originally developed the Lamda tech) have come up with something even better by measuring resistance across the plug after firing. I believe Saab began using this new system in 2006. The secret to sequential shutdown is it allows more charge per firing which increases pressure & efficiency. Tht may be exactly what the rotary needs to do some catch up to piston motors in regards to fuel consumption.
If Mazda is heading down that path (and it makes sense they would) we may see something like a 1600 - 1800 cc motor with 5 Lb rotors and sequential shutdown in 2010 - or 2009, or 2011, depending on when they actually release it.
In any event, by 2010 I'll need a new car. If Mazda doesn't have something really cool, I'm sure there will be plenty of well preserved used low mileage RX8's available.
There may be a new 2 seater Rotary released in early 2008 - the key word is may. There are some concerns with market share over the Miata as the Pontiac Solstice and Dodge Demon are positioned squarely against it. The Solstice is overpriced and the Demon has a potent motor package option (300 HP turbo).
One thing thats driving sales of the "MG" class of sports cars are the gas prices. That sort of puts the rotary at a disadvantage. Mazda already has an excellent motor in the 2.3 and they certainly have the turbo packages figured out. From purely a profit level, putting a MS Miata on the market would probably pay off the most short term.
As far as the next 8, we'll very likely be seeing a new evolution of rotary. I can't say if it belongs to Mazda, but someone has a contract with Kennametal to fabricate what surely look like a rotor from Powdered Metal - a titanium composite. It could just be a pump component but it sure does look like a rotor - only maybe a tad larger then the 13B size.
Along the same speculation line is solving the issue of sequential shutdown. Using the Lamda Sensor technology won't allow a motor with no valves to do this since it pumps raw air into the exhaust. However our friends in Sweden (who originally developed the Lamda tech) have come up with something even better by measuring resistance across the plug after firing. I believe Saab began using this new system in 2006. The secret to sequential shutdown is it allows more charge per firing which increases pressure & efficiency. Tht may be exactly what the rotary needs to do some catch up to piston motors in regards to fuel consumption.
If Mazda is heading down that path (and it makes sense they would) we may see something like a 1600 - 1800 cc motor with 5 Lb rotors and sequential shutdown in 2010 - or 2009, or 2011, depending on when they actually release it.
In any event, by 2010 I'll need a new car. If Mazda doesn't have something really cool, I'm sure there will be plenty of well preserved used low mileage RX8's available.