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Old 05-19-2012, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Hi Flying 8
Most of the accounts that I have read here say that you can't get a new rotary engine from Mazda, only Remans. Are you saying that they now need to have a supply of new engines available while they have supposedly been unavailable or do you know something to the contrary?
You are correct..

Mazda NAO only remans, once whatever new 'Made in Japan' engines are gone (no Series 1's left that are fully made/assembled in Japan).

They still have all new S2 short engines...with a reman (R00) part number.
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This is and always has been the official Mazda Japan rule on complete assemblies once a car is out of production...it was back when I first started in MAZDA parts in the 1970's and still is.

'Quote' Mazda Japan..

Please contact Service Material Planning Gr if you need part number of Engine, Transmission and Cabin (Body Shell) Complete.

Please note we cannot supply these Completes if the production is no more available at time of your order.
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Originally Posted by zoom44
they will have to keep engines in stock for a minimum number of years.
Referring to new Made in Japan engines, and no they do not keep engines for a number of years in Japan, never have.

See above...
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No, just pointing out that there was probably gaps between the last of the FD and the RX-8. Not a full year gap, but likely a gap all the same.

FD production ended in August 2002, RX-8 Job 1 was Feb 2003. The gap was mostly for re-tooling the line and training/test runs of rx-8 production plus the holiday month.
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Old 05-19-2012, 04:39 PM
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yeah i was imprecise with my previous post. they will have to make new parts available to the US for 10 years. Im not sure what the EU equivalent regs are.
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Always a Rotary Engine Mazda vehicle made in Japan for every year since 1967...
What happens in 2013...?

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yeah i was imprecise with my previous post. they will have to make new parts available to the US for 10 years. Im not sure what the EU equivalent regs are.
Pretty much the same.
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Originally Posted by ASH8
Always a Rotary Engine Mazda vehicle made in Japan for every year since 1967...
What happens in 2013...?
Sorry, Ash, this was pretty much my point here. This may be a bigger gap, but they can keep that roll going as long as they have a rotary rolling off by the end of December of 2013. Agreed that it looks grim, but they could always create another 100, 500, 1,000 unit run in mid 2013 just to keep it alive, and not have broken the streak

Kind of "cheating" if you will, but from the US's perspective, there was a 9-11 year gap (not sure when cars showed up for each of the ending FD and starting 8), and I could see them doing the same thing again with the 8. Even if it is announced as "the end"....
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Originally Posted by RIWWP
No, just pointing out that there was probably gaps between the last of the FD and the RX-8. Not a full year gap, but likely a gap all the same. Unless you have information to the contrary? The "rotaries always in production" has always been a "for that year"


And US Federal law requires that manufacurers must have available / produce all parts for all cars sold here for at least 10 years past the last production date.

So that's at least a 10 year supply of engines that Mazda must be able to maintain.
Didnt know thw 10 year law, but mazda is always good at keeping old car parts alive, i just bought a new shock and springs from mazda last year, conisder the car already stopped production 20 yrs ago, it took a while, but they still got it for me

They just ran out some of the 12a parts a while ago

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Yup, the 10 years is just a requirement, I expect most manufacturers make parts for most of their cars for far longer than that.
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But they stopped carrying the mazdaspeed shift **** more than a year ago, and I had to get mine from japan ...

And the mazdaspeed fog light bracket, etc etc. ...
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It's about time the figured the 1.6L works with rounded tips.

Now off to a new rotor housing and even a more rounded triangle to give us great power and fuel economy.
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at this economy? when Euro is about to fall apart? when we are about to print more George Washington ?

I don't know man, unless Mazda's SkyActiv is doing really really well, I mean REALLY well. Don't think it's going to happen.
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As you say in 2013 you will notice a new Rx why not we see any new Rx concept except shinari and takeri ?
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Originally Posted by nycgps
But they stopped carrying the mazdaspeed shift **** more than a year ago, and I had to get mine from japan ...

And the mazdaspeed fog light bracket, etc etc. ...
"Aftermarket" performance parts are probably excluded from this is my guess.

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at this economy? when Euro is about to fall apart? when we are about to print more George Washington ?

I don't know man, unless Mazda's SkyActiv is doing really really well, I mean REALLY well. Don't think it's going to happen.
It is. You see the news that Mazda took over the #2 biggest brand slot in Australia? Sales increasing by >20% The US sales aren't quite as good, but still doing very well. It's simply the exchange rate between the dollar and yen that is killing Mazda financially. Their recent stock sale raised all the money they were looking for, and had investors looking to buy another 7 times that amount. Investors believe in Mazda, and just infused it with a ton of cash. I'm not all that worried

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As you say in 2013 you will notice a new Rx why not we see any new Rx concept except shinari and takeri ?
No, I didn't say there will be another RX in 2013. I said we have till the end of 2013 for a rotary to be produced in order to avoid breaking the "in production every year" streak. There is no direct indication of when a new rotary will come out.
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I wish I could find more information regarding the 'parts availability requirement'. I was told that it was now 5 years. We have seen a number of things for the Mazda 6 become obsolete including some sun visors for vehicles of model year 2005. Parts for the Mazda B series trucks are drying up even for 2006 model year. Customers are just steered to the aftermarket or salvage yards.

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Ah, the 5 year limit may be true if things have change. My knowledge from the 10 year limit is quite old.
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Ah, the 5 year limit may be true if things have change. My knowledge from the 10 year limit is quite old.
here in EU the limit is at least 10 years...i'm pretty sure.
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Last time I looked a couple of years ago it was still Ten years.
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Originally Posted by Razz1
Last time I looked a couple of years ago it was still Ten years.
Please let me know where to look. One of my Mazda suppliers told me it had changed to 5 and then I made the observations of the parts that have ceased. The most common that have gone away are those Ford related.

But back to the current topic. I sure hope Mazda makes an announcement before long. Unfortunately we have to wait for MX-5 news prior to anything else. I think it's next to be revised.

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Originally Posted by Mazmart
I wish I could find more information regarding the 'parts availability requirement'. I was told that it was now 5 years. We have seen a number of things for the Mazda 6 become obsolete including some sun visors for vehicles of model year 2005. Parts for the Mazda B series trucks are drying up even for 2006 model year. Customers are just steered to the aftermarket or salvage yards.

Paul.
if it's true ... that sucks.

yea I noticed a lot of parts are NLA from Mazda, even it's not "performance" part. and it's for 2004 RX-8

but it's funny though, some parts from FC is coming from Japan right now, I was about to get a Y-pipe, I called and ask them like "how long is going to take?", they said it's on boat right now so it will be at least 30-60 days.
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if it's true ... that sucks.

yea I noticed a lot of parts are NLA from Mazda, even it's not "performance" part. and it's for 2004 RX-8

but it's funny though, some parts from FC is coming from Japan right now, I was about to get a Y-pipe, I called and ask them like "how long is going to take?", they said it's on boat right now so it will be at least 30-60 days.
OEM Mazda Y pipe? Y (I mean, why? )

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OEM Mazda Y pipe? Y (I mean, why? )

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Well, i was trying to keep the fc as stock as possible. Thats also the reason why i also got the stock mufflers and its on te way to my home.

I cant wait another 2 months for it to come so i already ordered a racing beat y pipe
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nygps you realize you are talking with Paul from MAZMART right?
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