I saw this on the FRS Forum and lol'd!

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lol

 

I thought that was a troll thread when I read "drag racing automatic FR-S and automatic RX-8". Blew my mind that, that actually happened lol.

 

Had my 8 for a month and love it. Traded a c230 kompressor sport for it. Handles like a slot car, turns in better than my 944 Turbo did. Like the looks of the BRZ, but it's just too much money. As for adding go-fast stuff, who needs to when I have a literbike for when I want to really go fast. Face it, compared to a bike, fast cars aren't.

 

I think the issue will always be gas mileage and reliability. The rx8's mileage has always been and always will be deplorable especially compared to its power output. The frs is reliable, gets decent mileage and handles well. It might have some hickups early but I dont think those criticisms are fair. I think people want a car they dont have to feel guilty about driving, or that they are destroying simply by driving it. everytime I put my foot down I feel the like I'm going to destroy this ultra fragile, gas and oil eating machine. She is fun but very delicate. The frs is a car you can drive the **** out of, put a ton of miles on the odometor and not really care. someone else said that its not a car you have to park in the back of the parking lot at the grocery store. If it gets scratched, then so be it. I think it would be a good feeling to not have a car that you don't feel like is falling apart as you drive it.

 

That comment is pretty sad.. and more aptly describes a rental car - not the passion a sports car should envoke. Aside from that - relative to the RX-8, you must have driven a completely different car than I do. My car is reliable, needing primarily strict adherence to normal maintenance, but the mileage is not far off the mark w/other sports cars of the era, after all it's a 12 yr old design. There are different design priorities now that handicap all cars.

And I've never felt it would break with use, and very hard use at that. I've demanded 110% of the car since yr one w/100s of cummulative track hours, not to mention street driving, with but one major failure. Even stock, it barely seemed to notice the abuse heaped on it. It has failed once, likely my fault more than the car's... but now it's better than new. At 10 yrs old as it sits in my garage, nothing is falling off it or 'even feeling like' it falling apart, nothing is broken, and it's a far more attractive package IMHO today than a showroom new FRS. Beyond that even disregarding the Toybaru's neutered looks, and the sad '90 era interior, and its lack of utility, not to mention NVH failings, the car seems hard pressed to exceed a decades old design of the RX-8, except in gas mileage, which is faint praise given its intended 'funcar' purpose and supposed advances in car technolgy in the last decade.

My feeling is the FRS lineage is going to age much like the Celica did. It started out cheap, and the miles didn't wear well. Ever driven an old Celica? .. sad. Being a rattle bucket, noisey, cheap to build and own, but with a destinct unsophisticated feeling to drive, it envoked little passion and so you didn't really care to polish it either... much like you describe the FRS. It simply didn't age well, unlike the RX-8 that did and still does today.

 

well said.

 

First if you design a product you must decided the main idea of the product.

Fuel Economy = A sport car does really need it ? Yes but in a performance wise you need power first then economy yes but you haven't got a power SO ?

Fuel = Performance

Main idea is fall down.

Only one think i like these cars their body shape and total weight of the car.

 

the RX8 aged so well that they are practically worthless on resale value

 

So howcome for my 10 year old car the Edmunds True Market Value® is Trade-in $7,547 / Private Party Sale $8,452 /Dealer Retail $9,839?

Can't be too far wrong, and I'd say that's damn good resale value actually!

>Now your specific car may be another issue.. lol (Just kidding Team )

 

There's so many reasons why the RX-8's value has fallen like a stone, its hard to blame the car itself for them.

Engine failures are 1 consideration.
Needing to add oil all the time reduces value for those drivers that only want an appliance type vehicle.
Thirsty for gasoline leaves out the people who live paycheck to paycheck.
Failing ignition coils that kill the engine compression and catalytic convertors without fail are another big issue.

The great thing about these cars is that because the bulk of the drivers have no desire to ever own one, that makes them cheaper for those of us willing to do the extra work to keep one healthy.

BC.

 

That is horrible. A 30k car shouldn't decrease in value by over 75% in 8 years.

 

exactly...Look at the FD for example of good resale value.

 

I'm guessing none of you protesting used RX-8 pricing have much of a clue how 'normal' cars depreciate. The RX-8 is pretty much like any other car, even thou you seem to be determined to scoff at that lol.

Check these 'wonderful' 2004 vinatge cars .. on par I'd say ..

BMW 3series 2004 BMW 3 Series

Accord 2004 Honda Accord

The FD is different and not comparable for so may reasons. It's current resale price at this point is virtually meaningless in the used car world, as they are so few and so far between on the used car lots due to its age.. It's more like a collectors car, for those who think it's worth whatever they're willing to fork over. Personally, although interesting as rotary history, at this point it's just a pile of trouble, unless you want to turn in into a show car. The RX-8 on the other hand, is still a viable car, in a viable market where good used sports cars are hard to find.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your bashing the RX-8 ...

 

you can maybe get that trading in depending on how well they are soaking you on the purchase vehicle, but good luck moving one as FSBO ...

 

Not really, and I'm not bashing the rx8. I love the car, but it is what it is.

350Z's came out the same year as the rx8, same MSRP. It's still hard to find one in good condition for 12k.

 

In my country prices are so low too because of noone understand rotary that much the main reason is supply and demand.

2017 new Rx will be produced but not official. If Mazda is going to produce a high price level product. Than Rx-8 prices getting higher than know because of tuners will need a platform to use.

Rx-8 fans don't work that much on social media to show and teach new Rx-8 fans that much.

 

Now this being my first post on this site, I'll try to make t count. I own a '90 rx7 gxl with 235k miles and a '04 rx8 gt with 63k. I am rotary thru and thru, heck I have a t2 rotor and housing polished up on my entertainment stand which is a great conversation piece. The rx8 is a great car. The sound, feel, handling, and oh yeah nothing beats the sound of a rotary. Both my rotaries get around 17mpg which sucks to say the least. The drivers cockpit is great on the 7 and perfect on the 8. Four can fit with some comfort. I love my 7 but the 8 is far superior. Everyone here knows how good the 8 is so I'll talk about the frs.

My girl friend recently bought a hot lava frs and that is also a great car. I know many of you are bashing it and this is a rx8 forum but it is great too. We've put about 3k on this so far and it was not a waste of money with tax out the door at $27k. Warranty and Maintenance are huge pluses over any used rx8. Projected reliability should be good since its a Toyota and Subaru, minus the head gasket failures of the flat four.

First off the steering of the frs is great, turn in is so sharp. Handling was great before the snow tires were put on. It seems reasonably quick. The cockpit is very similar to the 8 especially the cluster. 3 can fit, not great for the front passenger but it's doable. I was very surprised at how there aren't any rattles, squeaks, etc. Interior quality is good for its price range. Side view mirrors are large and provide good vision. Head room is fine as we both are 5'9". The engine sounds good as it revs to 7500, no beep but a led flashes at 7k.

High octane with only 24 mpg are not great, but better than the 8. The back end is very loose and likes to come out on you, but it is very easy to control. Really only seats 3, but 2 comfortably. The shifter is a bit to far forward compared to the rx's in my normal seat position and the ride is quite stiff for stock. One thing that annoys me which the dealer can't help is when it's below freezing the trans won't engage gears till its warmed up first year cars always have issues.

They both are great cars with the same goal of being drivers cars. Mazda and Toyota/Subaru have done that. I am partial to the rotary but the frs is no slouch. One note the gt86 did the top gear track faster than the 8 in the wet with those stock 215/45r17 Prius tires. Dry and better rubber it's 2-3 seconds faster. I was upset at how fast it was on their track, it looked slow and it cost me a foot rub and her laughing at me saying "my car is faster" when jeremy posted the time. It is a good track car at 2700lbs. Since I drive both daily I can compare them side by side. I hope my insight helps out.

 

Great!

Welcome to the forum..

Most motoring journalists are comparing current 'available from new' RWD's, so the MX-5/Miata is the car being reviewed with the Toybaru 86, even though the MX-5 is a roadster.

A recent comment by a US Motoring Journalist comparing the Scion to the MX-5, said the FRS was like a violin with one string, very good, but, the Miata has the complete compliment of strings.

 

Honestly, the thinner tires and much newer car helped the FR-S/GT86/BRZ in the rain vs the crap tires that the original RX-8 had way back in 2004 when they tested it.

Had they ever put the R3 on the track in '09 through '11, I think you would have found that the difference wasn't nearly as large as it was.

Just pull up the car and driver lightning laps totals for the three cars, and you see that the R3 beats the Triple Threat, but that they beat the original RX-8.

BC.

 

HAHAHAH Drag race...... Good one ...... really had me going there!!! LOL

O wait..............

I cant be-leave someone is actually trying to compare the two in a drag race.

Put some corners on that drag track!!!!!

 

Oh no please ....why do some of you guys put so much importance on 0.50 of a second (slower or faster) or whatever....unless you are a professional driver/racer (not a boy racer) WHO CARES! ...

A 30 KG difference in driver body weight or the amount of gas (or quality) in a tank can alter times just as much.

Remember 1 Litre of fuel = 1 KG (2.2 lbs) in weight.

 

Yeah the R3 has a 3:16.7 while the S1 RX-8 has a 3:19.0. The BRZ came in at 3:18.6 this year.

Also if you look at motortrend's Laguna Seca lap times they have the R3 at 1:50.42 while the BRZ got 1:51.3 (randy pobst the driver both times).

I'm guessing the R3 would beat both the S1 RX8 and the BRZ on the top gear track but they'll never test it anyway... oh well.

 

I never understood this either. Most people buy their cars to use as DDs so does it really matter if a comparable car is a couple of seconds faster or slower around a track? Just like the people who insist that the new mustang V-6 is a crappy car just because is doesn't have the V-8 and 100 more HP.

 

I understand that all these cars we own or talk about are DD's but it does bother me how so many judge the sciburu and post lap times of other cars being superior on the track stock to stock. I'm not sure why Toyota decided on the Prius tires for this car, but they are not performance tires at all. The potenza's that the 8's come with have far better grip, so posting the r3 or series 1 or whatever has faster lap times is a farse. Tires make or break lap times. It is surprising how well the sciburu does with those tires. Seeing what this car can do in the hands of professional drivers I believe it is a better car on the track than the 8. I know I will get blasted for saying that but it's about time other car manufactures are making cars comparable to the 8. To bad they came out after the 8 ended.
Waiting for 2017.....the rotary will rise again like a phoenix.......