RX-8 and WRX
07-28-2005, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
Exactly how is the regular WRX a complete joke? I'm curious how you justify such a bold statement.
I spend my time on here in various discussions, and not all of them involve Mazda, the RX-8, nor Subaru cars. However, every time I get into a discussion such as this one it's guaranteed someone will resort to personal attacks, thanks for not letting me down!
I spend my time on here in various discussions, and not all of them involve Mazda, the RX-8, nor Subaru cars. However, every time I get into a discussion such as this one it's guaranteed someone will resort to personal attacks, thanks for not letting me down!
07-28-2005, 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Pkskull77
Hey don't get me wrong I loved the RX-8's interior, in fact I loved just about everything the car had to offer, with two noteable exceptions.
If Mazda ever makes a faster version I will be the first person on line to buy it, but I just don't think thats ever going to happen.
- The reliability, my RX-8 was constantly in the shop. I had more stickers (from ecu flashes) under my hood than most girls have in their sticker books. Mazda promptly fixed all my problems, but it was annoying to give up a couple hours of my day driving it back and forth to the dealership, just to be given a mini van for a week.
- The car was just to slow in the strait. I knew going in that the car was slow, but I never realized how much it would bother me.
If Mazda ever makes a faster version I will be the first person on line to buy it, but I just don't think thats ever going to happen.
I read something similiar in another thread you posted in. Your situation with your 8 having so many mechanical issues is the exception not the rule.
Except for a couple minor things(break squeal,headlight lens) I have had zero problems with mine. Your taking your bad experiences with yours and making a general assumption that the car is unreliable. That's just not true.
07-28-2005, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tiggerlee
I read something similiar in another thread you posted in. Your situation with your 8 having so many mechanical issues is the exception not the rule.
Except for a couple minor things(break squeal,headlight lens) I have had zero problems with mine. Your taking your bad experiences with yours and making a general assumption that the car is unreliable. That's just not true.
Except for a couple minor things(break squeal,headlight lens) I have had zero problems with mine. Your taking your bad experiences with yours and making a general assumption that the car is unreliable. That's just not true.
07-28-2005, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by therm8
The speedo is one of my favorite aspects of the dash. Analog speedometers are so hard to read now. 
07-28-2005, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
was introduced with the intention of making it a world rally champion.
07-28-2005, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Pskull77
I was having were not exceptions to the rule. Whenever I had an issue there was a flurry of responses to my post, telling me exactly what was wrong with the car, and what they were going to do to fix it.
Sorry, I don't buy it.
07-28-2005, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by tiggerlee
hmmm, would that have been the time the oil cap fell off or the time when the heater control **** broke. Oh, and how is the peanut butter theory going? Sorry, I don't buy it.
Sorry, I don't buy it.What is it that you don't buy?
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07-29-2005, 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by RX8-TX
Which brings me to the point....how is it possible the Frenchies are kicking butt???!!?!
07-29-2005, 01:26 AM
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haha interesting how this thread turned into an rx8 vs. sti argument. also, my friend just got the car last week. he bought it used so it came with all the sti parts. he took off all the sti badges the other day to avoid posing as an sti.
07-29-2005, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
Exactly how is the regular WRX a complete joke? I'm curious how you justify such a bold statement.
I spend my time on here in various discussions, and not all of them involve Mazda, the RX-8, nor Subaru cars. However, every time I get into a discussion such as this one it's guaranteed someone will resort to personal attacks, thanks for not letting me down!
I spend my time on here in various discussions, and not all of them involve Mazda, the RX-8, nor Subaru cars. However, every time I get into a discussion such as this one it's guaranteed someone will resort to personal attacks, thanks for not letting me down!
The regular WRX looks funny to me. No meat on that bone.
07-29-2005, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Pkskull77
Hey don't get me wrong I loved the RX-8's interior, in fact I loved just about everything the car had to offer, with two noteable exceptions.
If Mazda ever makes a faster version I will be the first person on line to buy it, but I just don't think thats ever going to happen.
- The reliability, my RX-8 was constantly in the shop. I had more stickers (from ecu flashes) under my hood than most girls have in their sticker books. Mazda promptly fixed all my problems, but it was annoying to give up a couple hours of my day driving it back and forth to the dealership, just to be given a mini van for a week.
- The car was just to slow in the strait. I knew going in that the car was slow, but I never realized how much it would bother me.
If Mazda ever makes a faster version I will be the first person on line to buy it, but I just don't think thats ever going to happen.
07-29-2005, 08:41 AM
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Shut up Ike. You suck. :D
Don't try and change anyones mind on a Subaru... they don't know.... oh well.
I can't wait for the 06 WRX actually...
--kC
(My 8 is not daily driven and the only time it's off the trailer is to race it, fix it or to sell it.)
Don't try and change anyones mind on a Subaru... they don't know.... oh well.
I can't wait for the 06 WRX actually...
--kC
(My 8 is not daily driven and the only time it's off the trailer is to race it, fix it or to sell it.)
07-29-2005, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Pkskull77
I understand your argument, and compartmentalizing cars works, but your category is way to narrow, and therefore invalid. For instance, comparing an SUV to a Honda Civic would be a bad comparison. The SUV is made to carry large groups of people, over rough or hazardous terrain (assuming this SUV is equipped with 4wd). The SUV sacrifices gas mileage and nimbleness for utility. The Civic on the other hand is a good daily commuter, designed to be gas efficient, and when necessary a little peppy. The Civic sacrifices utility to be cheap. The STi and the RX-8 are both designed for sport and therefore are fair cars to compare.
First and foremost both the STi and RX-8 are sports cars. I understand that the RX-8 is generally classified as a coupe, and the STi is sports sedan, but those are just sub categories of the same genre. I would even go as far to argue that the RX-8 and the STi are more similar than the RX-8 and the Z, two cars that are often compared. The RX-8 and the STi are both 4 passenger cars that aim to be sporty. The Z was built as a sports car from the ground up. While the Z absolutely sacrifices utility for sport the STi and the 8 sacrifice some sport for utility. Both cars would be much better of with the added weight of a back seat.
You also have the history of the Impreza wrong. The Impreza was first built as a passenger car, and then engineered into a rally car. The drive of the WRX, was to bring some of the Impreza’s WRC tradition to the streets, but at its heart the Impreza is a passenger car. If you buy the 2.5 liter Impreza you don’t have a sports car, you have a passenger car. Transversely to say the RX-8 has no racing lineage is to completely ignore the rotaries racing history. Although the 8 is new from the ground up, it owes many of its innovations to the accomplishments of Mazda race cars. It is even possible to argue that at its heart the 8 is more closely related to its racing lineage than the STi, because the STi break the cardinal rule of WRC, having a 2.5 liter engine.
While I can’t argue that the 8 doesn’t do what its designed to do, I can argue that the car fails to meet the publics perception of the rotary engine, and a sport car. If the average America craves a sports car with power, and you design a car that lacks it, then you’ve marketed the car incorrectly. I don’t understand who is doing Mazda’s research, but they completely missed the mark with the 8. The cars horsepower would have been acceptable 10 years ago, but in today’s market power sells. If you don’t have the ponies, you don’t move the units. I find their lack of vision disappointing because if the 8 doesn’t make it, there is a good chance the rotary engine dies.
First and foremost both the STi and RX-8 are sports cars. I understand that the RX-8 is generally classified as a coupe, and the STi is sports sedan, but those are just sub categories of the same genre. I would even go as far to argue that the RX-8 and the STi are more similar than the RX-8 and the Z, two cars that are often compared. The RX-8 and the STi are both 4 passenger cars that aim to be sporty. The Z was built as a sports car from the ground up. While the Z absolutely sacrifices utility for sport the STi and the 8 sacrifice some sport for utility. Both cars would be much better of with the added weight of a back seat.
You also have the history of the Impreza wrong. The Impreza was first built as a passenger car, and then engineered into a rally car. The drive of the WRX, was to bring some of the Impreza’s WRC tradition to the streets, but at its heart the Impreza is a passenger car. If you buy the 2.5 liter Impreza you don’t have a sports car, you have a passenger car. Transversely to say the RX-8 has no racing lineage is to completely ignore the rotaries racing history. Although the 8 is new from the ground up, it owes many of its innovations to the accomplishments of Mazda race cars. It is even possible to argue that at its heart the 8 is more closely related to its racing lineage than the STi, because the STi break the cardinal rule of WRC, having a 2.5 liter engine.
While I can’t argue that the 8 doesn’t do what its designed to do, I can argue that the car fails to meet the publics perception of the rotary engine, and a sport car. If the average America craves a sports car with power, and you design a car that lacks it, then you’ve marketed the car incorrectly. I don’t understand who is doing Mazda’s research, but they completely missed the mark with the 8. The cars horsepower would have been acceptable 10 years ago, but in today’s market power sells. If you don’t have the ponies, you don’t move the units. I find their lack of vision disappointing because if the 8 doesn’t make it, there is a good chance the rotary engine dies.
07-29-2005, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by canaryrx8
holy crap talk about missing the mark, there are so many incorrect statements in this post I'm not even going to bother to retaliate, how in the world can you say they have no vision or missed the mark etc.? are you just trolling and looking for an argument or ? are you ike's alias? :D maybe you're a soobie salesman or?
07-29-2005, 12:00 PM
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So all sports cars should be classified together and should all perform exactly the same functions as well?
Can you compare a 1969 MGC spyder to a 1969 Road Runner? They are both sports cars....
Can you compare a 1969 MGC spyder to a 1969 Road Runner? They are both sports cars....
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What did I miss the mark on? No I am not trolling.
07-29-2005, 01:06 PM
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So all sports cars should be classified together and should all perform exactly the same functions as well?
Can you compare a 1969 MGC spyder to a 1969 Road Runner? They are both sports cars....
Can you compare a 1969 MGC spyder to a 1969 Road Runner? They are both sports cars....
You would make the same concessions when comparing a 100,000 dollar car to a 30,000 dollar car. You would expect the 100,000 car to be better, but you would compare the two with that in mind. For example one of the car mags (can't remember which one) just did a comparisons between the Magnum and the AMG Wagon. The cars were drastically different in price, but they managed to do pretty good comparisons.
As for comparing the 8 and the STi, I don't see what the big deal is. The 8 is designed to be an all around sports car. It doesn't focus it's attention on any one attribute, it's just designed to be good at them all. The STi has the same goals. Admittedly the cars go about it in drastically different ways, but they aim for the same thing. The STi/8 comparison is not done frequently, simply because it's not a competition. If the 8 had the 7's power numbers you would see the comparison a lot more frequently.
If you would like it we can have the discussion making the necessary concessions. You tell me what you want to take from the Sti, and I’ll tell you what to take from the 8, and then we can evaluate them on a more level playing field. However I just don’t think it’s necessary in this instance.
07-29-2005, 02:07 PM
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What did I miss the mark on? No I am not trolling.
a) taking an existing 4 door sedan and suiting it to one's needs (aka wrc from an impreza et.)
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b) desiging something from scratch that has never been done before (successfully)utlizing a powerplant that has never been used before. (yes I know the rotary has been around since at least the 60's, but the renesis has not)
Those are for starters, I do appreciate your comments/opinions etc. but I don't understand some of your reasoning, and that's fine. My sole opinion is that the 2 cars are really in different classes with diffrent design goals which makes them incredibly difficult to fairly compare with one another, just seems like apples to oranges etc. I'm not knocking the STI at all, it's almost as good as the EVO in some cases (which is a more legit comparison in my opinion), but I don't think it leaps above the 8 in all the areas you or anybody else may have mentioned, even if it did it's only because it has a good couple of year's head start. The 8 is still brand new, and I'm sure 7-8 years down the road when it's evolved a bit it will be in the same shape as the STI (or better for that matter)with all the little quirks fixed or whatever. We could go back and forth on this mess forever, but it just doesn't make sense to me in my opinion, to compare the 2. I think that's all I've got to say on the subject, I rescind my hijack and I would like to publically declare I do like both cars and if I lived in a diffrent climate, I might even have an STI. Luckily I live in a climate that lets me enjoy rwd w/o any setbacks
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This thread is retarded!
Firstly, The 8 is not for everyone. It needs more TLC and is a car that encourages the driver to learn. Aside from the usual "it's not fast in a straight line" argument, it does exactly what it was made to do. The car handles better then the FD and with a finesse that I have never experienced with any other car.
The WRX/STI is a brute. It thrashes its way through anything in its way and does this extremely well. Comparing both cars doesn't do justice to either. Both are great performers. One focuses on finese while the other with force. Someone that likes the drive of a rotary will not enjoy the wrx/sti and vice versa.
Secondly, looks are always in the eye of the beholder. I like the sexy lines that the rx8 has and how I get constant looks as if I'm in an exotic. On the other hand, the STI looks is all business no pleasure. It looks as if it were designed to be sliding around and tearing pavement. The important thing is to buy what pleases you and don't turn back.
Lastly, comparing/buying either of these cars for straight line performance is plain slapping these manufactures in the face. If you want straight line performance, there are many other cars that are cheaper and faster.
Firstly, The 8 is not for everyone. It needs more TLC and is a car that encourages the driver to learn. Aside from the usual "it's not fast in a straight line" argument, it does exactly what it was made to do. The car handles better then the FD and with a finesse that I have never experienced with any other car.
The WRX/STI is a brute. It thrashes its way through anything in its way and does this extremely well. Comparing both cars doesn't do justice to either. Both are great performers. One focuses on finese while the other with force. Someone that likes the drive of a rotary will not enjoy the wrx/sti and vice versa.
Secondly, looks are always in the eye of the beholder. I like the sexy lines that the rx8 has and how I get constant looks as if I'm in an exotic. On the other hand, the STI looks is all business no pleasure. It looks as if it were designed to be sliding around and tearing pavement. The important thing is to buy what pleases you and don't turn back.
Lastly, comparing/buying either of these cars for straight line performance is plain slapping these manufactures in the face. If you want straight line performance, there are many other cars that are cheaper and faster.
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