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Old 05-04-2006 | 02:20 AM
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Autox Critique Please

Fell behind in the slalom early on
Anyway, feel free to dissect my run to the bone, since I knew I had a steep learning curve.

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Old 05-04-2006 | 02:32 AM
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My novice suggestions would be to try and maintain a more constant speed through the slaloms instead of being on/off/on/off.

Other than that, it seems like in some parts of the course you were looking ahead and planning out your turns well, but in some areas it seems you are not.

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Old 05-04-2006 | 02:36 AM
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why would you have front OE shocks and rear Konis?
Old 05-04-2006 | 07:07 AM
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why would you have front OE shocks and rear Konis?
See other thread. He was in the middle of installing the whole set when the event happened.
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Originally Posted by BigOLundh
My novice suggestions would be to try and maintain a more constant speed through the slaloms instead of being on/off/on/off.

Other than that, it seems like in some parts of the course you were looking ahead and planning out your turns well, but in some areas it seems you are not.

my .02
Still working on slaloms as you suggested. Used to feed too much steering inputs by yanking it left-and-right, loading up front wheels. That part is now cured, though still searching for the optimal entry speed where the on/off phenomenon can be lessened. I think you may detect on/off in its exaggerated state as I feathered the throttle, with microphone sitting right in the passenger foot well.

Yes, identification of critical cones and blocking out the rest in the course walk phase is still something I'm learning.

Your $.02 is appreciated!

Any other feedbacks or do I just suck bad?

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Old 05-04-2006 | 11:06 AM
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Oh btw, you are still better than me... if that makes you feel any better.

If i had taped my last autocross you would have seen many u-turns, spin outs, and the microphone lady making jokes about my driving while i was on the course.

It was pretty sad.
Old 05-04-2006 | 11:16 AM
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LOL, yes, knowing what we should do is completely different from actually doing it out on the course. I can't count the number of times my well-rehersed plan goes down the tube when the nut steps into the car and straps behind the wheel.

The camcorder-on-top is great if I may say so. Having an instructor riding along is always better, but the camcorder is the next best thing to faithfully document the racing line.
Old 05-04-2006 | 11:29 AM
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It seemed that you took some turns wider than you needed to in the first half. And I agree that smoother on the throttle in the last half is definitely needed. But still, I think it's a pretty darned good run. (You don't suck.) Did it rain that day? Parts of the track look wet. THAT will sure slow down some corners!

That camera angle is interesting. I have mine mounted in the back seat, so I don't see the course as well. Hmm (ponder ponder...)
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The course was wet like a soaking rug in Lake Michigan in the morning, along with fog that you couldn't see thru. Sure made the driving/navigating fun! The 1st three runs were a bit touchy-feely throttle-goes, and the wide-angle-converter would be covered with mist at the end of each run. 4th run was the driest and also the quickest.

I used to have in-car camcorder rig, sitting midway between my back and back seats. I then realized that the camcorder could see jack, due to height and point-of-view issues. So instead, I order Sticky Pod Original (4-suction-cup) design from www.stickypod.com. It was a bit nerve-wrecking having my miniDV sitting on top of the car on the outside. I made sure to obtain clearance from local Solo Chief beforehand. Two safety measures were used to attach camcorder to the car as explained by the Chief, suction cup and tether.

In retrospect, I could use more wide-angle, though 0.6X was already pushing it before perception becomes fisheyed. The Sticky Pod held onto the car fine in cold temperature, though periodic checking would be recommended. Chase Cam is another oft-mentioned solution, though I already owned the miniDV, hence, minimal investment.

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I need to break down and buy a camcorder. I think it can really help.

Actually.. for me the biggest obstacle is not my driving, its my memory. By my last run of the day i finally get the course down, and die for just one more run. I think if i can start reading the courses faster... than that will help. I think what i need more than anything else is just more seat time. Which is always fun
Here locally i have 5 autocrosses over the course of 8 weeks. Hopefully my car survives.. LOL!

Based on what you were saying, i think your problem also isnt based in not knowing how to race... but just doing what you tell yourself you are going to do. I think more seat time will also be your best friend.

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Old 05-04-2006 | 03:33 PM
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Video cameras and, with some practice, visualization will really help you get a course down quickly. The greats can visualize a lap within a 1/10sec or so of a real lap.

I need to update my codecs or something, that site always plays videos in rainbow colour for me.
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Originally Posted by BlueEyes
Video cameras and, with some practice, visualization will really help you get a course down quickly. The greats can visualize a lap within a 1/10sec or so of a real lap.

I need to update my codecs or something, that site always plays videos in rainbow colour for me.
The video is encoded in Windows Media Video v9. If you have trouble still, try visit
http://www.free-codecs.com/download/XP_Codec_Pack.htm and download the Codec Pack.
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Originally Posted by BigOLundh
I need to break down and buy a camcorder. I think it can really
help.
MiniDV is extremely affordable nowadays. I routinely see deals below $300 for home-video-grade camcorders. For all intended purposes, you could probably score an inexpensive VHS camcorder at local garage sale for chump change. MiniDV just makes the video editing/encoding process much easier with the help of Firewire (1394).

Originally Posted by BigOLundh
Based on what you were saying, i think your problem also isnt based in not knowing how to race... but just doing what you tell yourself you are going to do. I think more seat time will also be your best friend.
Surprisingly, I like the pressure of only having three/four runs with SCCA. It drives home the importance of planning the drive and driving the plan. Gotta work on verbalizing the look ahead cone, since hands follow where you eyes see and eyes do what your mind thinks. Talking to oneself maybe is not that crazy afterall.

Can't wait to have my clock cleaned at Devens Tour

Old 05-04-2006 | 08:27 PM
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I can never critique autocross runs from video alone. Too difficult to know where the car is relative to the limits. Your best critique will come from competing at the highest level against the best drivers and seeing how you do, or having one of them ride along in your car during one of your runs.

Sorry couldn't be of more help.
Old 05-04-2006 | 08:40 PM
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Looked pretty fast, no protest??


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Old 05-04-2006 | 08:57 PM
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I can never critique autocross runs from video alone. Too difficult to know where the car is relative to the limits. Your best critique will come from competing at the highest level against the best drivers and seeing how you do, or having one of them ride along in your car during one of your runs.

Sorry couldn't be of more help.
True, I was hoping to run into you at Ripken Stadium. Had no ideas you were running S2000 at the time. Thought you never made it until seeing the result later on.

Don't be shy with critique once we do meet at Devens

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Originally Posted by whiterex
Looked pretty fast, no protest??

bad joke....
Funny you should ask. Had a lot of attention due to Sticky Pod setup. Well, I must be not driving fast enough then if you say it looked fast. Remember smooth is fast, what looks slow is fast.
Old 05-04-2006 | 09:09 PM
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i've found that the rx8 can carry alot of speed through sloloms, alot more than my m coupe could.
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If that run is typical of your driving, I'm going to guess that you don't hit many cones. One of the two observations I can offer is that it looks like you keep a healthy distance away from the cones. If you got on top of them, and did nothing else, your times would probably drop a good bit. The other observation is that it sounded like you spent a lot of time coasting. It kind of touches on what John was saying about not knowing where the car was in relation to its limits, but if you're moving in straight (or nearly straight) line, you generally want to be hard on the gas or the brake, not with your foot in the air. I remember reading or hearing once that every flicker of indecision on course is worth at least 0.1 seconds.

just some comments from a midpack hack
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If that run is typical of your driving, I'm going to guess that you don't hit many cones. One of the two observations I can offer is that it looks like you keep a healthy distance away from the cones. If you got on top of them, and did nothing else, your times would probably drop a good bit. The other observation is that it sounded like you spent a lot of time coasting.

just some comments from a midpack hack
My typical driving would be overdriving the car and hitting a sea of cones... Being close to the cone is definitely the holy gril of being a successful autoxer. As for coasting, I'm finding that I rarely mesh the throttle all the way down. You could say that I was driving 9/10th with wet surface and brand spanking new street tire (less than 200mi).

Keep the comments coming! Midpack in WDCR is probably trophy in most of other regions, knowing how competitive it is in your neck of woods. I want to get a list of personal mental check-points so I can hammer them into my head each time I drive. Thus far:

1. Unwind the wheel but don't loose grip when coming out of turns
2. Attack slalom with less amount of steering input
3. Use threshold braking and put-your-right-foot-thru-firewall when accelerating
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About the video host, right beneath "Get Links For This Video >>", you can select various quality of streaming and even the original to better the clarity of the video, FYI.
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Clyde and I always PAX around the top 15 or better at the WDCR events. All that says to me is that we have a pretty well prepped car with reasonably fresh, sticky tires. Neither of us have had a lot of national success.

When you're at Devens, be sure to watch KC drive. He will be by far the best driver in the class and is someone to use as a benchmark.
Old 05-05-2006 | 07:30 AM
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When you're at Devens, be sure to watch KC drive. He will be by far the best driver in the class and is someone to use as a benchmark.
We had an event last weekend with a pro class runoff where we all run on indexed times against each other. Fastest top 8 in PAX go on to eliminations using your best of the 1st three runs.

I coned my 2 fastest. That seems to be a problem of mine.

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Clyde and I always PAX around the top 15 or better at the WDCR events. All that says to me is that we have a pretty well prepped car with reasonably fresh, sticky tires. Neither of us have had a lot of national success.
Well, not always. We each have a mental health day now and again.
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Do you get Kudos for not hitting the cones and drifting? If so then I wanna go autocross next chance I GET!!!


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