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12-02-2010, 12:29 PM
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the OP needs to go back to school.
Still hasnt figured out his Shinka doesnt make 238HP(as if the Shinka has anything to do with it)
Trying to talk basic technical stuff with regard to racing and clearly doesnt understand how these things he's discussing even work.
And please for the love of God, unless you wish to remove your self from the gene-pool, leave your ABS alone. If you dont know why, you shouldnt be racing(luckily yours is only done in a parking lot)
Still hasnt figured out his Shinka doesnt make 238HP(as if the Shinka has anything to do with it)
Trying to talk basic technical stuff with regard to racing and clearly doesnt understand how these things he's discussing even work.
And please for the love of God, unless you wish to remove your self from the gene-pool, leave your ABS alone. If you dont know why, you shouldnt be racing(luckily yours is only done in a parking lot)
12-02-2010, 12:55 PM
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Paulmasoner, get a life!
Burglar, the ABS stays on all the time. When you do the short press you will keep the TCS on while turning off DSC. TCS uses ABS sensors to detect wheel spin but acts very differently to correct it. My ABS continues working with the long press.
Burglar, the ABS stays on all the time. When you do the short press you will keep the TCS on while turning off DSC. TCS uses ABS sensors to detect wheel spin but acts very differently to correct it. My ABS continues working with the long press.
12-02-2010, 03:02 PM
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I'm a bit baffled by the different opinions on this. The manual does clearly state this (at least in my 09), and in my driving experience, a normal, short push definitely disables both. With a short press, I can spin the rear tires to my heart's content, and I have also had the car quite sideways in this setting. I can't imagine much more "out of control" the car could be than how I've had it with a simple push, and I've never felt any interference from the car while doing any of these shenanigans.
12-02-2010, 03:53 PM
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Well, that's interesting, because I can easily recall the car correcting me at peak apex with only a short press.
Perhaps the ABS aspect plays a role here. If I recall next season, I pay a little more attention here and see if the corrections I experience are triggered by ABS - I do tend to brake late, probably later than I should.
Perhaps the ABS aspect plays a role here. If I recall next season, I pay a little more attention here and see if the corrections I experience are triggered by ABS - I do tend to brake late, probably later than I should.
12-02-2010, 04:21 PM
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To make things more complicated, here is what the Mazda quick tips says:
http://www.rx8blog.com/tutorials/qui..._9_167_739.pdf
I'm pretty sure the ABS stays always as I have experience with my car. But there is no mention of tcs in this article. If with DSC off1 the LSD still tries to correct oversteer, it makes sense that the car would unsettle the other way with normal countesteering.
http://www.rx8blog.com/tutorials/qui..._9_167_739.pdf
I'm pretty sure the ABS stays always as I have experience with my car. But there is no mention of tcs in this article. If with DSC off1 the LSD still tries to correct oversteer, it makes sense that the car would unsettle the other way with normal countesteering.
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12-02-2010, 08:13 PM
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Well, that's interesting, because I can easily recall the car correcting me at peak apex with only a short press.
Perhaps the ABS aspect plays a role here. If I recall next season, I pay a little more attention here and see if the corrections I experience are triggered by ABS - I do tend to brake late, probably later than I should.
Perhaps the ABS aspect plays a role here. If I recall next season, I pay a little more attention here and see if the corrections I experience are triggered by ABS - I do tend to brake late, probably later than I should.
benitac, the LSD doesn't try to correct oversteer, it tightens the differential to help put power to the ground. A non lsd car would tend to spin the inside wheel coming out of a hard corner. If anything, it adds to tendency to oversteer.
Here's me, talking instead of concentrating, on a short press, with 0 rear toe:
[youtube]FX3XuD3XqwM[/youtube]
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12-02-2010, 08:35 PM
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Well I never meant to say that LSD corrects oversteer. I was referring to the document where it says that with a short press the DSC "retains LSD functionality"... meaning that it continues locking up one side to send the power to the otherside and send the car in the direction it thinks you should be going. Hope it makes sense.
12-03-2010, 07:10 AM
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You trailbrake all the way to the apex?
benitac, the LSD doesn't try to correct oversteer, it tightens the differential to help put power to the ground. A non lsd car would tend to spin the inside wheel coming out of a hard corner. If anything, it adds to tendency to oversteer.
Here's me, talking instead of concentrating, on a short press, with 0 rear toe:
[youtube]FX3XuD3XqwM[/youtube]
benitac, the LSD doesn't try to correct oversteer, it tightens the differential to help put power to the ground. A non lsd car would tend to spin the inside wheel coming out of a hard corner. If anything, it adds to tendency to oversteer.
Here's me, talking instead of concentrating, on a short press, with 0 rear toe:
[youtube]FX3XuD3XqwM[/youtube]
12-04-2010, 08:51 PM
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I'm a bit baffled by the different opinions on this. The manual does clearly state this (at least in my 09), and in my driving experience, a normal, short push definitely disables both. With a short press, I can spin the rear tires to my heart's content, and I have also had the car quite sideways in this setting. I can't imagine much more "out of control" the car could be than how I've had it with a simple push, and I've never felt any interference from the car while doing any of these shenanigans.
One little push on the button and the DSC light comes on and NO ABS or other interference!! Totally different car!! Backend rotates and brakes can lock up if you want them too. So if I hold my button in longer the ABS comes back? (Anyhow no pedal pulsing and could hear the tires sliding with it off so assume ABS was off too?)
Oh...and 1st place finish in my first autocross!! Slightly better finish than my last place with my previous racer bone stock 86GT Stang convertible last month with no ABS or stability control either.
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