Road atlanta smoked STI and GT500
02-14-2008 | 08:49 AM
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To be serious, though, that's the kind of stuff that causes fights and creates unsafe conditions for everyone. If I were running an event and someone was trying to intimidate other drivers I'd ban him from the event.
02-14-2008 | 08:54 AM
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He should just do what you, me and Mac11 do...carry a bat in the car, and when you pass the guy that wouldn't let you around shake the bat at him. Or if you have a passenger in the car have them lean out the open window and smash the guys windows. Works every time.
To be serious, though, that's the kind of stuff that causes fights and creates unsafe conditions for everyone. If I were running an event and someone was trying to intimidate other drivers I'd ban him from the event.
To be serious, though, that's the kind of stuff that causes fights and creates unsafe conditions for everyone. If I were running an event and someone was trying to intimidate other drivers I'd ban him from the event.
02-14-2008 | 09:11 AM
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02-14-2008 | 01:01 PM
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True: disclaimer, Red Devil shouldn't be taken seriously in this thread...except for now...oh, and when I wrote previously:
To be serious, though, that's the kind of stuff that causes fights and creates unsafe conditions for everyone. If I were running an event and someone was trying to intimidate other drivers I'd ban him from the event.
To be serious, though, that's the kind of stuff that causes fights and creates unsafe conditions for everyone. If I were running an event and someone was trying to intimidate other drivers I'd ban him from the event.
02-14-2008 | 04:06 PM
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Sure, he shouldn't have held you up, but as others have mentioned, it's easy to fix that with a short stint in the pits.
02-15-2008 | 12:42 PM
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I have been passed by two stock RX8's in my stock NSX (one was by legokcen who was running r-compounds). ...and I have passed Ferraris and Lambos in my NSX. Driver ability / comfort level (i.e. aggression level) is very important at our level of HPDE- not so much the car. that being said, it is always fun to pass a "faster" car. 
Just drive within your own limits and avoid the "red mist". I found that out the hard way once.
Just drive within your own limits and avoid the "red mist". I found that out the hard way once.
02-15-2008 | 01:32 PM
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The last time I was at Road Atlanta, I smoked an H. Upman. Last weekend I was at CMP where I smoked a Macanudo. I hate smoking STIs. Besides, they are incredibly difficult to keep lit. Same goes for Mustangs.
02-17-2008 | 02:13 AM
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The first time I have ever raced on road atlanta was the best thing that I have ever done!!!! I had a whit rx8 out on the track and that was what I wanted to do for my birthday... there was a **** load of cars there that day but a couple stood out... there was a orange new GT 500 that could not do anything in the turns so I did pass his *** twice! in one day... then there was a guy that I was talking to in between races that was driving a STI and he really thought that he was going to just blow by me.. But one thing I did learn there is that your car will not win you the race you have to know what your doing out there to be fast at all.. So as we were racing on the track I see the guy in his STI I start to gain on him as soon as we get into the turns I was throwing my car into every turn as hard as I could.. I already knew the correct race line to take on the track through my uncle and him teaching me.. I was gaining on the STI so fast it wasnt even funny next thing I knew I was right on his ***!! He really didnt want to have to signal for me to pass him but he couldnt shake me and was forced to.. I laughed my *** off as I was passing him.. I dont care what you all say the STIs are not that fast on the track even when we were on the back straight he couldnt gain on me... I think it was because he was older and so was the GT500 and they really werent trying to prove as much but still you know they had to feel pretty dumb when they seen me go by.. the guy in the sti after the race came up to me and started giving me excuses as to why he lost I thought it was pretty funny considering he had about 60 more hp than me.. I had new racing brake pads on my car and a K&N intake and some FALKEN wheels and tires put on before race day.. take your car to the track learn alot and apply it when your out there you will be very suprised with how well the rx8's do out there like I was... it was by far one of the best experiences of my life..
When you get more experience you'll learn that HPDE's and track days aren't races, and should not be treated like they are. That's how people get hurt, and that's how you wreck your car.
02-17-2008 | 10:19 AM
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02-17-2008 | 11:39 AM
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Wow, no sign of regret or contrition whatsoever -- just a stubborn refusal to acknowledge that your behavior endangered both yourself and others, and was contrary to the spirit if not the rules of almost every DE out there. If you were local to me, I'd forward this thread to all of the local event organizers to ensure that I wasn't the next guy you decided to play bumper chicken with.
Ethics of this kind of behavior aside, it strikes me as imprudent for a forum vendor trying to drum up business to be bragging about running people off of the road. Not exactly the best way to impress the track crowd.
Ethics of this kind of behavior aside, it strikes me as imprudent for a forum vendor trying to drum up business to be bragging about running people off of the road. Not exactly the best way to impress the track crowd.
02-17-2008 | 11:51 AM
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Wow, no sign of regret or contrition whatsoever -- just a stubborn refusal to acknowledge that your behavior endangered both yourself and others, and was contrary to the spirit if not the rules of almost every DE out there. If you were local to me, I'd forward this thread to all of the local event organizers to ensure that I wasn't the next guy you decided to play bumper chicken with.
Ethics of this kind of behavior aside, it strikes me as imprudent for a forum vendor trying to drum up business to be bragging about running people off of the road. Not exactly the best way to impress the track crowd.
Ethics of this kind of behavior aside, it strikes me as imprudent for a forum vendor trying to drum up business to be bragging about running people off of the road. Not exactly the best way to impress the track crowd.
02-17-2008 | 12:33 PM
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sometimes it's not right or wrong it's a feeling everyone gets every once in a while be it on the streets or on the track.that feeling you did not waste your money and got what you paid for.most times it's the driver not the car.everyone is not born a winner but it feels good when you do.fun is just that!fun not to hurt anyone feelings or whatever!have fun stay safe and kick a little butt now and then!
02-17-2008 | 01:04 PM
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What Charles did may have been dangerous, but where were the corner workers? Did nobody issue them a blue flag for that event?
Not defending him. The right thing for him to do would have been to pull into the pits and allow his "friend" to get some distance so he could go back to lapping. But it doesn't sound like the event staff was on top of things.
I agree that it feels good to pass cars that people think are faster than your own. But what does it really mean? Pretty much nothing.
Not defending him. The right thing for him to do would have been to pull into the pits and allow his "friend" to get some distance so he could go back to lapping. But it doesn't sound like the event staff was on top of things.
I agree that it feels good to pass cars that people think are faster than your own. But what does it really mean? Pretty much nothing.
02-17-2008 | 02:06 PM
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This imho is the exact problem with a track day.... A couple of guys that don't have the money or commitment to go real racing want to bench race about how bad @ss they are because of what car they passed, and how they intimidated other less serious or experienced drivers. 
Please, at a track day the level of driver seriousness, talent and car prep are a crap shoot. Who you passed means nothing if there is not a winner at the end of the day.
Please, at a track day the level of driver seriousness, talent and car prep are a crap shoot. Who you passed means nothing if there is not a winner at the end of the day.
02-17-2008 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ULLOSE
This imho is the exact problem with a track day.... A couple of guys that don't have the money or commitment to go real racing want to bench race about how bad @ss they are because of what car they passed, and how they intimidated other less serious or experienced drivers.
Please, at a track day the level of driver seriousness, talent and car prep are a crap shoot. Who you passed means nothing if there is not a winner at the end of the day.
Please, at a track day the level of driver seriousness, talent and car prep are a crap shoot. Who you passed means nothing if there is not a winner at the end of the day.
Same could be said for wheel to wheel racing. You have novices as well as seasoned racers. You have nice slow guys and ****** who are fast and vice versa. It's all relative to the event, it's all relative to the people in the cars and the people running the track day. It's the risk of getting behind the wheel with other cars on the track instead of conquering an expanse of asphalt marked with inanimate orange objects (not detracting from the skill and competitiveness of autox in any way, but it is what it is).
I wouldn't point the finger all high and mighty at Charles for what he reports to have done. Red mist impairs out judgement. I've done boneheaded things and so has everyone typing a letter on this page. What you learn from your mistake is what's important and we try not to repeat them.
Also, many track day guys are exactly the type who don't have the money and commitment to go wheel to wheel racing. Many of us are also licensed by sanctioning bodies to race (SCCA Regional myself). For some reason, we're not racing, but we sure are getting a lot of track seat time in the process, making us safer and better and faster in the process for when we get back in a race car.
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02-17-2008 | 07:42 PM
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.....and yet more time and energy is spent critcizing my "maneuver" with very little scrutiny regarding the other person's poor behavior. My being in his rear view doesn't necessarily mean that I was being dangerous.
I didn't have this "red mist" you guys are talking about. When one chooses to not let other pass in a polite fashion, as I did he on the straights, isn't he left with the responsibility to deal with what appears in his rear view mirror? Yeah, I could have taken the time to notify the sanctioning officials, like everybody else that weekend already had but ya know what? After he became unnerved and ended up unscathed in the grass.......he let others pass him. We all communicate on different levels and every now and then I will stoop down. I guess that is a character defect I must work on..........
With regard to my status as a forum vendor......name one of us who is a shining example of humanity and I'll tell you a few stories of human behavior that belies the myths. At least I am not a hypocrite.
I didn't have this "red mist" you guys are talking about. When one chooses to not let other pass in a polite fashion, as I did he on the straights, isn't he left with the responsibility to deal with what appears in his rear view mirror? Yeah, I could have taken the time to notify the sanctioning officials, like everybody else that weekend already had but ya know what? After he became unnerved and ended up unscathed in the grass.......he let others pass him. We all communicate on different levels and every now and then I will stoop down. I guess that is a character defect I must work on..........
With regard to my status as a forum vendor......name one of us who is a shining example of humanity and I'll tell you a few stories of human behavior that belies the myths. At least I am not a hypocrite.
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02-17-2008 | 08:32 PM
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Hey Chuckles, maybe someone should just send a copy of this thread to all the track day organizers (not that many out there) so they can know what they are getting when you enter.
IMO you were just a little arrogant peckerwood doing something so dangerous. I wouldn't be surprised if you someday get a tire tool protest filed against you.
IMO you were just a little arrogant peckerwood doing something so dangerous. I wouldn't be surprised if you someday get a tire tool protest filed against you.
02-17-2008 | 08:50 PM
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I didn't have this "red mist" you guys are talking about. When one chooses to not let other pass in a polite fashion, as I did he on the straights, isn't he left with the responsibility to deal with what appears in his rear view mirror? Yeah, I could have taken the time to notify the sanctioning officials, like everybody else that weekend already had but ya know what? After he became unnerved and ended up unscathed in the grass.......he let others pass him. We all communicate on different levels and every now and then I will stoop down. I guess that is a character defect I must work on..........
You got upset because someone wouldn't let you pass, so you took it upon yourself to risk his life and yours to make a point. That makes you immature and a danger to those who are out there sharing a track with you.
Learn to leave your ego in the pits or find another hobby.