Yeah, I'm tempted to give them a try but both times I've tried to get quotes or availability I cannot get in contact with their suppliers......I guess we've been spoiled with TireRack over the years and we may have to actually revert to talking to someone in order to purchase tires......I think I still remember how to do that

2nd thought.......I'm out on limb already with the Bilsteins. If I go with Hankooks and I'm still getting beat I'll be really bummed. At least if I have the Kumho's I know where I should be.

 

^I'm just not sure there's huge upside in swimming upstream, or "bucking the system"

 

^^lol

 

Yeah, I don't expect the 'kooks to be as fast as the Kumhos. I have a pretty good idea where I stand as far as my driving goes when on equal equipment. My interest is just in having a cheaper alternative for some tires to run for the rest of the local season. As a bonus, we could get a chance to see how they stack up performance wise.

 

even scarier, spending all that and losing by 2+ seconds ...

 

Did I mention I was cheap? Also, I like the excercise.

 

And people laugh that I bought a Civic and sold the 8.

--kC
(Bought a '93 Civic Si for the price of 5 R-Compounds)

 

Fun car,fun class...Still need those expensive, eh hum "Street Tires"
Most likely Bridgestones' from what I have seen and I'm sure you know what works best....

 

Wow that is some scary math.

 

Even worse, spend all your time and money on something that isn't even faster then a stock car on race tires......

 

parts are easy to buy, skill not so easy ...

 

The other alternative to spending a lot on a set of V710s for yourself would be to find a co-driver. There are plenty of people looking for a ride in a competitive car, and willing to pay for that opportunity.

 

Scarier math:
Running both autox and track events - breaking your clutch at a pdx, and not arguing with the dealer about getting it paid for under warranty. Look up avg cost for clutch kit, plus $90 labor/hr x 6 hrs. Ow.

Turn around the next weekend (after the clutch is fixed ) - run a regional event x 2 days x 6 runs/day/driver (2nd driver = teenage daughter who is learning to drive a stick).

Next weekend - out of state event on concrete - leave some rubber on the pavement.

Next weekend - another regional event.

Repeat.

I think I have an addiction.

 

Unfortunately the large majority of wannabe-codrivers aren't willing to pay anywhere near enough when you consider what the actual costs of ownership are, and who pays when the car breaks ... my experience is that most codrivers end up being charity cases. Not saying that's a bad thing because I have given away my share of free or less than actual cost codrives over the years, but this is another area where the math can be just as scarey, maybe horrific if things go bad

Some drivers are stand-up people and pay for the motor they blew up, others have walked away and said "not my problem". WHo's to say if it blows up when you're driving that the other driver didn't cause it or vice versa. You can never really know for sure.

 

I applaud the discipline by this group......I was sure we were going to get slew of "priceless" comments......I can just hear it now......Threepeat "priceless".

 

I'm talking from experience and anyone who has cranked the numbers knows it's true

sometimes a codriver can have tangible benefits such as showing you what the car is capable of or helping you figure out the course/line, there are times when it can be a distraction or even hurt, such as tires getting too hot

 

Or leaving cones wrapped around mechanical parts...

(Not that I drove that well anyway...)

However, track days are pretty much $1000+ per weekend, assuming that you (or someone else) doesn't experience "brain fade" or decide to use your car as a brake.

If you think keeping your concentration at full for 60-90 seconds, try 20-30 minutes. Most mistakes at track days happen in the last session followed only by the next to last session.