Scary Math
06-14-2007, 06:52 PM
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2nd thought.......I'm out on limb already with the Bilsteins. If I go with Hankooks and I'm still getting beat I'll be really bummed. At least if I have the Kumho's I know where I should be.
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06-14-2007, 07:49 PM
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Yeah, I don't expect the 'kooks to be as fast as the Kumhos. I have a pretty good idea where I stand as far as my driving goes when on equal equipment. My interest is just in having a cheaper alternative for some tires to run for the rest of the local season. As a bonus, we could get a chance to see how they stack up performance wise.
06-14-2007, 09:02 PM
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06-15-2007, 08:20 AM
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06-15-2007, 01:25 PM
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06-15-2007, 06:17 PM
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The other alternative to spending a lot on a set of V710s for yourself would be to find a co-driver. There are plenty of people looking for a ride in a competitive car, and willing to pay for that opportunity.
06-15-2007, 07:54 PM
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Scarier math:
Running both autox and track events - breaking your clutch at a pdx, and not arguing with the dealer about getting it paid for under warranty. Look up avg cost for clutch kit, plus $90 labor/hr x 6 hrs. Ow.
Turn around the next weekend (after the clutch is fixed ) - run a regional event x 2 days x 6 runs/day/driver (2nd driver = teenage daughter who is learning to drive a stick).
Next weekend - out of state event on concrete - leave some rubber on the pavement.
Next weekend - another regional event.
Repeat.
I think I have an addiction.
Running both autox and track events - breaking your clutch at a pdx, and not arguing with the dealer about getting it paid for under warranty. Look up avg cost for clutch kit, plus $90 labor/hr x 6 hrs. Ow.
Turn around the next weekend (after the clutch is fixed ) - run a regional event x 2 days x 6 runs/day/driver (2nd driver = teenage daughter who is learning to drive a stick).
Next weekend - out of state event on concrete - leave some rubber on the pavement.
Next weekend - another regional event.
Repeat.
I think I have an addiction.
06-15-2007, 08:38 PM
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Unfortunately the large majority of wannabe-codrivers aren't willing to pay anywhere near enough when you consider what the actual costs of ownership are, and who pays when the car breaks ... my experience is that most codrivers end up being charity cases. Not saying that's a bad thing because I have given away my share of free or less than actual cost codrives over the years, but this is another area where the math can be just as scarey, maybe horrific if things go bad
Some drivers are stand-up people and pay for the motor they blew up, others have walked away and said "not my problem". WHo's to say if it blows up when you're driving that the other driver didn't cause it or vice versa. You can never really know for sure.
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06-15-2007, 11:23 PM
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Unfortunately the large majority of wannabe-codrivers aren't willing to pay anywhere near enough when you consider what the actual costs of ownership are, and who pays when the car breaks ... my experience is that most codrivers end up being charity cases. Not saying that's a bad thing because I have given away my share of free or less than actual cost codrives over the years, but this is another area where the math can be just as scarey, maybe horrific if things go bad
Some drivers are stand-up people and pay for the motor they blew up, others have walked away and said "not my problem". WHo's to say if it blows up when you're driving that the other driver didn't cause it or vice versa. You can never really know for sure.
Some drivers are stand-up people and pay for the motor they blew up, others have walked away and said "not my problem". WHo's to say if it blows up when you're driving that the other driver didn't cause it or vice versa. You can never really know for sure.
06-16-2007, 03:36 AM
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I'm talking from experience and anyone who has cranked the numbers knows it's true
sometimes a codriver can have tangible benefits such as showing you what the car is capable of or helping you figure out the course/line, there are times when it can be a distraction or even hurt, such as tires getting too hot
sometimes a codriver can have tangible benefits such as showing you what the car is capable of or helping you figure out the course/line, there are times when it can be a distraction or even hurt, such as tires getting too hot
06-16-2007, 02:13 PM
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I'm talking from experience and anyone who has cranked the numbers knows it's true
sometimes a codriver can have tangible benefits such as showing you what the car is capable of or helping you figure out the course/line, there are times when it can be a distraction or even hurt, such as tires getting too hot
sometimes a codriver can have tangible benefits such as showing you what the car is capable of or helping you figure out the course/line, there are times when it can be a distraction or even hurt, such as tires getting too hot
(Not that I drove that well anyway...)
However, track days are pretty much $1000+ per weekend, assuming that you (or someone else) doesn't experience "brain fade" or decide to use your car as a brake.
If you think keeping your concentration at full for 60-90 seconds, try 20-30 minutes. Most mistakes at track days happen in the last session followed only by the next to last session.
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