SCCA TT nationals prelim rules
02-25-2018, 02:57 PM
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SCCA TT nationals prelim rules
Here's the link to the preliminary ruleset for SCCA's new Time Trial Nationals:
SCCA - Time Trials Nationals - Interactive Rules
It bugs me that a mild modification such as camber bolts, cat-delete, etc. will throw a car into a ridiculously uncompetitive class (as it does in most other venues as well). It would be nice to have a ruleset where one does not have to design his/her car around the rules in order to compete against similar cars.
In my case, I have a catless midpipe (because rotary), coilovers, swaybar, and street tires on 17x9" wheels. The midpipe throws me into a modified class where my car cannot be remotely competitive.
If SCCA wants to draw in more people, I think some type of allowance for these mods would be a big help.
Either way, if you have any thoughts they are looking at comments before finalizing the rules. Here's the spot for that: https://www.scca.com/forms/time-trials-feedback
If anybody agrees with me, please let them know. Other than that, it looks like a lot of fun.
SCCA - Time Trials Nationals - Interactive Rules
It bugs me that a mild modification such as camber bolts, cat-delete, etc. will throw a car into a ridiculously uncompetitive class (as it does in most other venues as well). It would be nice to have a ruleset where one does not have to design his/her car around the rules in order to compete against similar cars.
In my case, I have a catless midpipe (because rotary), coilovers, swaybar, and street tires on 17x9" wheels. The midpipe throws me into a modified class where my car cannot be remotely competitive.
If SCCA wants to draw in more people, I think some type of allowance for these mods would be a big help.
Either way, if you have any thoughts they are looking at comments before finalizing the rules. Here's the spot for that: https://www.scca.com/forms/time-trials-feedback
If anybody agrees with me, please let them know. Other than that, it looks like a lot of fun.
02-26-2018, 09:45 AM
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Your appeals will likely fall on deaf ears, but no harm in trying. As you advance to more higher levels of competition, you philosophy towards class rules has to shift. One of the reasons I moved from track days to racing was so I'd stop spending money on the next performance mod and just enjoy being on track. Door-to-door is not for everyone but I made the right decision. It took me a while to move from the track day mentality to racing mentality though.
In general rules should allow you to run with equal cars for as little cost as possible. Sure, there are mods that will make your car faster and handle better but that's not really the goal of racing. Read that sentence again. The goal is a level paying field (parity) and close competition. I've raced Spec Miata for 10 years and there is a never ending rule debate in this class but overall SCCA has got it right. We often have 20 cars qualify within 1 sec. Imagine how awesome an F1 race would be if they had that kind of parity. If SCCA allowed turbos for instance, everyone would get a turbo and we would be right back where we started competitively, but we'd all be $5000 poorer.
Spec racing is also quite humbling. I thought I was fast until I actually was on a level playing field. There's always someone who is faster in your car.
The fact is that some cars are not competitive as classed and may never be. To be competitive you must build a car for the class, not find a class for your car. It's frustrating but in the big picture it works.
The above is not meant as a personal attack eyeguy, just what I've learned.
Alan
In general rules should allow you to run with equal cars for as little cost as possible. Sure, there are mods that will make your car faster and handle better but that's not really the goal of racing. Read that sentence again. The goal is a level paying field (parity) and close competition. I've raced Spec Miata for 10 years and there is a never ending rule debate in this class but overall SCCA has got it right. We often have 20 cars qualify within 1 sec. Imagine how awesome an F1 race would be if they had that kind of parity. If SCCA allowed turbos for instance, everyone would get a turbo and we would be right back where we started competitively, but we'd all be $5000 poorer.
Spec racing is also quite humbling. I thought I was fast until I actually was on a level playing field. There's always someone who is faster in your car.
The fact is that some cars are not competitive as classed and may never be. To be competitive you must build a car for the class, not find a class for your car. It's frustrating but in the big picture it works.
The above is not meant as a personal attack eyeguy, just what I've learned.
Alan
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02-26-2018, 10:19 AM
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This is a common thing I see in autocross. People modify their cars before they discover organized performance driving and then realize that their combo of car and mods put them up against fire-breathing monsters.
You'll have an easier time getting a high-flow cat welded into the midpipe than you will having the rules changed.
You'll have an easier time getting a high-flow cat welded into the midpipe than you will having the rules changed.
02-26-2018, 12:57 PM
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This is a common thing I see in autocross. People modify their cars before they discover organized performance driving and then realize that their combo of car and mods put them up against fire-breathing monsters.
You'll have an easier time getting a high-flow cat welded into the midpipe than you will having the rules changed.
You'll have an easier time getting a high-flow cat welded into the midpipe than you will having the rules changed.
I had forgotten about this until last night, but itrack motorsports has an appealing ruleset to their time trial program which hosts just a few events per year. A points system is used which I believe is similar to what NASA uses. I'll likely be participating with that club in the future.
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Here's the link to the preliminary ruleset for SCCA's new Time Trial Nationals:
SCCA - Time Trials Nationals - Interactive Rules
It bugs me that a mild modification such as camber bolts, cat-delete, etc. will throw a car into a ridiculously uncompetitive class (as it does in most other venues as well). It would be nice to have a ruleset where one does not have to design his/her car around the rules in order to compete against similar cars.
In my case, I have a catless midpipe (because rotary), coilovers, swaybar, and street tires on 17x9" wheels. The midpipe throws me into a modified class where my car cannot be remotely competitive.
If SCCA wants to draw in more people, I think some type of allowance for these mods would be a big help.
Either way, if you have any thoughts they are looking at comments before finalizing the rules. Here's the spot for that: https://www.scca.com/forms/time-trials-feedback
If anybody agrees with me, please let them know. Other than that, it looks like a lot of fun.
SCCA - Time Trials Nationals - Interactive Rules
It bugs me that a mild modification such as camber bolts, cat-delete, etc. will throw a car into a ridiculously uncompetitive class (as it does in most other venues as well). It would be nice to have a ruleset where one does not have to design his/her car around the rules in order to compete against similar cars.
In my case, I have a catless midpipe (because rotary), coilovers, swaybar, and street tires on 17x9" wheels. The midpipe throws me into a modified class where my car cannot be remotely competitive.
If SCCA wants to draw in more people, I think some type of allowance for these mods would be a big help.
Either way, if you have any thoughts they are looking at comments before finalizing the rules. Here's the spot for that: https://www.scca.com/forms/time-trials-feedback
If anybody agrees with me, please let them know. Other than that, it looks like a lot of fun.
03-05-2018, 07:28 PM
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Unless I rushed through the rulles too quickly it’s either street tires or pure race tires and no place for SP cars so it seems like just one more attempt by the SCCA to kill off Street Prepared ...
I can understand wanting to appeal to new street car people, but ignoring your own in the process seems short-sighted to me
I can understand wanting to appeal to new street car people, but ignoring your own in the process seems short-sighted to me
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