Tockico adjustment cables - legal in BS?
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Originally Posted by ULLLOSE
You wont have to wait that long.... See you in Packwood.
just kidding.
I just don't understand why you would want to waste the time and money when every RX8 at natls in the trophy spots was on konis..... Most of them on stock konis. Don't be a FM wannabe and try to find some secret weapon. You will waste all your time looking for that prefect part/car like he does and then get a beat down anyway. If he would have stopped fxxking around last year and just drove the RX8 he might have had a shot at something.![Banghead](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/banghead.gif)
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just kidding.
I just don't understand why you would want to waste the time and money when every RX8 at natls in the trophy spots was on konis..... Most of them on stock konis. Don't be a FM wannabe and try to find some secret weapon. You will waste all your time looking for that prefect part/car like he does and then get a beat down anyway. If he would have stopped fxxking around last year and just drove the RX8 he might have had a shot at something.
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Besides, FMs gone domestic with the Sol.
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Originally Posted by Imp
That's advice that some people jsut don't get. Drive the car and learn the nuances instead of chainging everything every event and not know if that adjustment was better, or worse. (Other than a RB front bar... that one was easy).
Besides, FMs gone domestic with the Sol.
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Besides, FMs gone domestic with the Sol.
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Originally Posted by ULLLOSE
The more guys that fxxk with there cars all year the less we have to beat. ![Rollinglaugh](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/rollinglaugh.gif)
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True. George.... go look for some nice double adjustables while you're at it. ![Wink](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/wink.gif)
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To be honest, another basic reason I'm considering Tokico over Koni is that I'd like to dial the shocks back to full soft for street driving. Wimp? Perhaps, but I've been down the chatter-your-teeth approach in the Miata, and I'm not ready to do that with the '8. One of the best things about the RX-8 is the amazing ride/handling combination. The thought of driving around all summer on full stiff (or even 3/4 stiff) Konis isn't appealing to me. Not to mention having to disassemble the suspension every fall and spring. Yes, I could set the rears softer, but you're going to have a hard time convincing me the Konis at say half stiffness would be faster than the Tokicos with the stiffness at the discretion of the driver for any given set of conditions.
And I still stand by my assertation that if my goal is to trophy at nats, the Tokicos will (probably) not hurt me.
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Originally Posted by ULLLOSE
every RX8 at natls in the trophy spots was on konis.....
I seem to recall the two of you swapping cars with inconclusive results, though.
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Wasn't Randy on Penskes?
I seem to recall the two of you swapping cars with indeterminate results, though.
I seem to recall the two of you swapping cars with indeterminate results, though.
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actually, I just don't care to spell it all out by spending 15 minutes typing, if you catch me somewhere sometime I'll be glad to offer an explanation assuming I even remember some thread from some forum, that's why I only posted "LOL" in the first place
otherwise, whatever dude
otherwise, whatever dude
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actually, I just don't care to spell it all out by spending 15 minutes typing, if you catch me somewhere sometime I'll be glad to offer an explanation assuming I even remember some thread from some forum, that's why I only posted "LOL" in the first place
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otherwise, whatever dude
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Originally Posted by clyde
For the purposes of this thread, do Koni 28s count as Konis or Penskes?
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You could do that with stock shocks.
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In then end, you said something else that is even more true. It's about doing what you want. And, as I said in my first post, I know that using Tokicos will not get the approval of the mainstream autocross community. Right now I don't care.
After Packwood? Who knows. See you there. If we meet at a non-NT event at Packwood sometime I'd be happy to swap cars for a run.
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Originally Posted by GeorgeH
Earlier you said all trohy cars were on Konis, therefore I should buy Konis. Now it doesn't matter? ![Mdrmed](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/mdrmed.gif)
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Originally Posted by GeorgeH
In then end, you said something else that is even more true. It's about doing what you want. And, as I said in my first post, I know that using Tokicos will not get the approval of the mainstream autocross community. Right now I don't care.
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Originally Posted by GeorgeH
.5 seconds - is that your estimate on the performance difference of a koni equipped car to a stock car?
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We just put a set of konis on MP5s, Jason M, RX8 last weekend. We will see Sun if it helps him and how quick he can relearn the car.
The thing with shocks is you can screw your car up more than you can help it.
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Cool, thanks for the data. I look forward to hearing how Jason's car responds.
Yeah, bad damping can slow a car down. I suppose that's the risk of trying an unproven part like the D-Spec.
FWIW, I'm hoping I can get the cables next to a set of Konis to see if they can be adapted. Even if it doesn't work, I suspect Koni will eventually offer such a cable - I know JIC is offering a cable for their RX-8 coilover kits. Seems like a natural thing to do for all of the shock manufacturers.
Yeah, bad damping can slow a car down. I suppose that's the risk of trying an unproven part like the D-Spec.
FWIW, I'm hoping I can get the cables next to a set of Konis to see if they can be adapted. Even if it doesn't work, I suspect Koni will eventually offer such a cable - I know JIC is offering a cable for their RX-8 coilover kits. Seems like a natural thing to do for all of the shock manufacturers.
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Well, my driving has been pretty inconsistent lately and we also changed swaybars (from RB back to stock), but hopefully I can give you some kind of impression.
We had to fully compress the rear konis and spin the shaft in order to adjust them... doesn't seem like they would work with an external adjuster even if you could get at the top of the shock.
We had to fully compress the rear konis and spin the shaft in order to adjust them... doesn't seem like they would work with an external adjuster even if you could get at the top of the shock.
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Ah yes, that is true. I recall reading in this forum that they can be converted to top adjustable, but it will cost a bit more.
So, if I'm going to follow my tuning philosophy, I should do at least one event on the 710s and stock shocks to see if the D-specs help or hurt. We'll see if I can make that happen.
So, if I'm going to follow my tuning philosophy, I should do at least one event on the 710s and stock shocks to see if the D-specs help or hurt. We'll see if I can make that happen.
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Originally Posted by GeorgeH
Cool. I guess I mis-interpreted. Apologies.
Another point, my comment had absolutely nothing to do with Andy. If you had presented the same situation to me I'd still have the same answer, I'd have just given the
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Originally Posted by ULLLOSE
We will see Sun if it helps him and how quick he can relearn the car.
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