Won my way out of Novice. Dam. Need advice in enhancing my stock RX8
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Ok, won novice and I have to move to ST unless someone else has a better idea. Also, what would you recommend I do to stay stock class and be more competitive. I understand I can add adjustable shocks and stay stock. Also, change wheel alignment supposed to have advantage. Common guys throw this poor boy a bone here. What should I do to gain those extra seconds for the least amount of bucks.
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You didn't need any mods to win Novice -- why do you think you need them to win Stock? As a new regional-level driver, you'll gain a lot more time by continuing to work on your driving rather than you will by throwing money at your car.
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In order of performance per dollar:
Edit: 0. Evo or similar autox school. Most bang for buck is still in seat-time and improving your skill. This is more important than even tires.
1. r-compounds, kuhmo v710's in 245
2. alignment by a serious shop, driver's seat ballasted to your weight, max front camber, max caster after camber, rear camber same as front, zero toe front and back.
3. koni sa shocks
Stay in b-stock, and get r-compounds. The ST classes are not good for the 8 right now, even if you spend a lot of money.
Edit: 0. Evo or similar autox school. Most bang for buck is still in seat-time and improving your skill. This is more important than even tires.
1. r-compounds, kuhmo v710's in 245
2. alignment by a serious shop, driver's seat ballasted to your weight, max front camber, max caster after camber, rear camber same as front, zero toe front and back.
3. koni sa shocks
Stay in b-stock, and get r-compounds. The ST classes are not good for the 8 right now, even if you spend a lot of money.
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Originally Posted by MazdaRich
Get a new front swaybar--it's worth 1-2 seconds on a typical course.
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Ok, won novice and I have to move to ST unless someone else has a better idea. Also, what would you recommend I do to stay stock class and be more competitive. I understand I can add adjustable shocks and stay stock. Also, change wheel alignment supposed to have advantage. Common guys throw this poor boy a bone here. What should I do to gain those extra seconds for the least amount of bucks.
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Sticky tires will make you faster but they will not make you better.
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Originally Posted by MazdaRich
Get a new front swaybar--it's worth 1-2 seconds on a typical course.
There's a couple things working for and against you here.
A larger bar on bone-stock shocks... is actually a good thing. It keeps the car more planted in the transititons with just a little push in the sweepers... better than stock bar.
The same larger bar on aftermarket shocks induces more plow than when the car was stock.
--kC
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Originally Posted by Imp
This is what we call "Advice that should be researched before saying it's true [Because I read it on the internet]."
There's a couple things working for and against you here.
A larger bar on bone-stock shocks... is actually a good thing. It keeps the car more planted in the transititons with just a little push in the sweepers... better than stock bar.
The same larger bar on aftermarket shocks induces more plow than when the car was stock.
--kC
There's a couple things working for and against you here.
A larger bar on bone-stock shocks... is actually a good thing. It keeps the car more planted in the transititons with just a little push in the sweepers... better than stock bar.
The same larger bar on aftermarket shocks induces more plow than when the car was stock.
--kC
including the statements that follow it :p not all bars are created equal
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Originally Posted by Imp
There's a couple things working for and against you here.
A larger bar on bone-stock shocks... is actually a good thing. It keeps the car more planted in the transititons with just a little push in the sweepers... better than stock bar.
The same larger bar on aftermarket shocks induces more plow than when the car was stock.
A larger bar on bone-stock shocks... is actually a good thing. It keeps the car more planted in the transititons with just a little push in the sweepers... better than stock bar.
The same larger bar on aftermarket shocks induces more plow than when the car was stock.
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I recommend sticking with street tire class for the rest of this year and next year. The stock street tire class in our local club in Tri-Cities is pretty competitive so its a lot of fun and with some good tires you could do really well. You will notice a big difference going from the stock tires to a max performance tire. Try the Azenis RT615 245/40/18. Also get the alignment done as recommended above and you will see your times improve compared to your competition. Working on getting seat time and experience will give you the most improvement though. Going with shocks and a swaybar will be a minor difference without lots of experience and not worth the money in my opinion unless those items are worn out. Of course you can always go to non stock and compete against me in Street Tire non stock with a BSP index, or get race tires and run against Mitch and Lynn in S2 locally.
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Well, I agree, nothing like seat time, and training, and more seat time. I will not be going to tires until next year, but wanted input and you guys came through. Thanks
I have a questions on alignment . First what are the max numbers for adjustment. Second, what is the impact to daily driving with the change in wheel alignment?
r-compounds, kuhmo v710's in 245. Will they fit on the Stock Rims and not have a clearance problem.??
Azenis RT615 245/40/18. only have a 200 tread rating. My stock tires have a 140. However, I see they are much less expensive than the Bridgestone RE 40
Now for the IceMastr -
You better worry about the fast little lady that just missed whipping your you know what. So when are you going to get new tires? Also, with that girlie- man Pax you get, it will be hard to beat you. However, I expect to do that at the next event. :D But before a let my mouth overload my A$$, I will have to check to see what our PAX times were this session.
See you in Sept if not before at Packwood.
Bring that little green machine on. :p Oh, I would have had one of those as well if I could have put two sets of golf clubs in it along with a passenger.
I have a questions on alignment . First what are the max numbers for adjustment. Second, what is the impact to daily driving with the change in wheel alignment?
r-compounds, kuhmo v710's in 245. Will they fit on the Stock Rims and not have a clearance problem.??
Azenis RT615 245/40/18. only have a 200 tread rating. My stock tires have a 140. However, I see they are much less expensive than the Bridgestone RE 40
Now for the IceMastr -
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See you in Sept if not before at Packwood.
Bring that little green machine on. :p Oh, I would have had one of those as well if I could have put two sets of golf clubs in it along with a passenger.
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I have a questions on alignment . First what are the max numbers for adjustment. Second, what is the impact to daily driving with the change in wheel alignment?.
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What index makes CSP a girlie man pax? ASP? SM2? Ultimate tire performance should not be based off treadwear ratings. Kumho V710's in 245/35/18 will fit just fine and have no fitment issues. People have even run wider tires on the stock rims. However as a first timer on race tires I would recommend buying a used set of tires with some runs left on them to try them out and if you make a mistake it wont be nearly so costly or get something like the Kumho V700 in 245/35/18 or Toyo RA-1's in 225/40/18 or 245/40/18. These competition tires will last you a lot more runs.
I already have 2 sets of race tires and a set of Azenis RT215's for street tires to finish my street tire class races for the rest of this year, just wanted one more race out of my Toyos. I enjoyed my Toyo T1-S which is also a great tire for autocrossing but not quite as fast as the RT215 and RT615 but I have worn them out already after 6,000 miles and 30 events so with tires that aren't down to almost no tread left I should be able to run a second or two faster than last weekend since grip was our biggest problem.
I'm not worried about my girlfriend beating me. She might have more seat time and co-drive with national level drivers, but I can always screw up the car settings before her runs. :D
I already have 2 sets of race tires and a set of Azenis RT215's for street tires to finish my street tire class races for the rest of this year, just wanted one more race out of my Toyos. I enjoyed my Toyo T1-S which is also a great tire for autocrossing but not quite as fast as the RT215 and RT615 but I have worn them out already after 6,000 miles and 30 events so with tires that aren't down to almost no tread left I should be able to run a second or two faster than last weekend since grip was our biggest problem.
I'm not worried about my girlfriend beating me. She might have more seat time and co-drive with national level drivers, but I can always screw up the car settings before her runs. :D
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Originally Posted by ACHYellowRX8
Ok, won novice and I have to move to ST unless someone else has a better idea. Also, what would you recommend I do to stay stock class and be more competitive. I understand I can add adjustable shocks and stay stock. Also, change wheel alignment supposed to have advantage. Common guys throw this poor boy a bone here. What should I do to gain those extra seconds for the least amount of bucks.
Thanks
Thanks
I've done several track schools and am an avid autocrosser. However, I still haven't mastered this car. It has a hell of a lot of potential. I usually have one of the top 5 best times in my region in a stock RX-8 with racing tires. The car is amazing.
Please, I don't mean to sound bad, but if you learn to drive the car, it'll go very fast.
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Oh yea, you bet on the car has more potential then I. Have had some experience racers get in it and do another 3-5 sec better than my best the first time behind the wheel
Thanks you all. Running in ST1 remainder of year. Schools comes next year unless another shows up this year in my area.
Thanks you all. Running in ST1 remainder of year. Schools comes next year unless another shows up this year in my area.
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I'm not worried about my girlfriend beating me. She might have more seat time and co-drive with national level drivers, but I can always screw up the car settings before her runs. :D
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You honestly didn't think he could beat you on the legit did you?
What are supportive boyfriends/codrivers to be expected of them. Especially when he is driving a girliemans car :D
Let get back on topic. That would be smart spending of money on car instead of inept driver.
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Let get back on topic. That would be smart spending of money on car instead of inept driver.
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