cavemancan

Does this mean your going?

P.S. I dont think Angel needs to worry about what class he's in...ROTFLMAO!!

You all better not be teasing me!

Welcome aboard! Now all you need to do is come to Sebring!!

Ricky SE3P

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i got a gps for xmas, hopefully thats the symbol of my mom finally letting go of the leash (that was 2 feet long bolted to the ******* floor at that), and i can start doing what i want. ill keep updated

cavemancan

Tell her I'll be your chaparone!



Just make sure she signs the Parent Waiver or else you wont be able to come on the field trip with the rest of the kids.

Ricky SE3P

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yeah dont let me forget to get my field trip formed signed so my mom can let her 20 year old son off the ******* leash already -.-
when are you going to help me put on my front mud guards and get those little covers out of my fog lights? im free everyday but this wednesday cause ill be at dade getting my financial aid sorted out

cavemancan

My schedule is:
M-F Work/gym 6 am to ?? (usually around 6pm)

Best to do it when there is daylight so weekends are best. Let's try for this Saturday but not sure if I'm going out of town for new years. I'll let you know.

Ricky SE3P

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whenever man jus lemme know. like i said im always free and i live down the road pretty much.

scolon

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Welcome to the forums. Hopefully you can make it out to Sebring. Make sure your maintenance is up to date though.

cavemancan

Ok kids...I created a thread for the Sebring autocross. If your going please post. I want this organized so we can try and go together if possible.

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...36#post4152136

Also....

bandit12

so after reading this thread and seeing and learning from other people on here..i went ahead and took my car to get a compression test and over check up..no compression lost and no signs of stress..now time for mods..haha

scolon

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What are you thinking on doing?

cavemancan

I'll answer his question for him...LOL!

Simple...best mods for NA:

Cobb AP Tuner - $594 (Best mod...Unlocks the potential of the mods listed below...GET THIS LAST)
BHR Ignition - $499 (2nd Best mod..yeilds the most power without any other supporting mods 11 peak wheel HP I believe)
BHR Midpipe - $450 + (3rd best mod)
Exhaust - $600 to $1000 (4th best mod)
Air Filter - $80 (Intakes make little extra HP...5th best mod)

Degree of awesomeness measured by amount of HP gained.

If no NA then Turbo...DOOEETT

cavemancan

So I'm reviewing the SCCA rules.

STU:

I can meet STU but I need to replace the midpipe with a high flow CAT. But I am not clear about my flywheel and clutch. It only states that the transmission should not be modified but those components go between the engine and tranny technically? I hear someone mention the flywheel is ok but not the clutch which makes no sense. Any thoughts??

BSP:

Simply put I would get destroyed! LMAO! For crying out loud the moment they start talking about allowing fuel cells you know it's time to check for another class.

To be honest I am more confused then before. I read some sections which state no restrictions to shocks but I am not sure if that means coilovers? For instance BSP. However, other classes specifically address coilovers. I guess I am joining the SCCA forum...LOL!

Imagine when I go Turbo...I get booted from BSP. I may just replace the midpipe with a high flow and get a stock clutch depending on the rules regarding the flywheel. If not then I need to spend $10k on power/suspension mods...LOL!

scolon

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Well im glad you're learning all about this stuff so i don't lmao. Were gona have alot of autoX gurus

cavemancan

(Red Neck Accent) I'll learn ya boy! Somebody get me a switch.

bandit12

thanks caveman..ive been on here for weeks doing a lot of reading and a lot of searching..i get a lot of the same info..little to no gains with bolt ons..the only thing i see is turboing the car, but even that has a lot of downfall..i see that not a lot of hp gains with FI...so im not quite sure yet...

cavemancan

The 6 port manual tranny cars in stock form "should" be in the 180 wHP range. With the mods I mentioned I heard of guys being in the 210 wHP +.

With Turbo if on the cheap you can see 250 wHP +. Done right anywhere from 300 wHP to some crazy nuts that spent a crap load of money for 400 to 450 wHP.

It is not hard at all to get 300 to 325 wHP with most kits these days. All this has it's advantages and disadvantages and what I stated above is lacking tons of important info.

Do your research...I will eventually go forced induction...Probably Turbo. Unless something crazy happens like a v8 kit comes out that is cheaper.

bandit12

i had a 02 rsx-s that i put a turbo in and it was quite the learning experience. i loved the the car and see why so many people like turbos. the problem i see a lot is that the ecu is the problem when you turbo a 8..i see people that piggy back it and a couple of companies that state that their kit includes a new ecu that will go ensure no problems with their kit..you are right though..i do plan on doing a lot more research..i dont want to spend 3 g's on a kit only to find out that i will need custom motor mounts or different axles or something else like that..i thought the 6 speed rx8's had more hp than that though from factory..

scolon

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if you want an idea of what going FI is like, just read through a few of the build threads. You'll see it is always more complicated than just bolt on and tune. Also take a look at the stickies in the "Major Performance" section. You'll see how much other guys have spent trying to get their kit working.

Ricky SE3P

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if you want to go FI on the 8, save up at least 8k and be ready to engine rebuild 50kmiles later because chances are you will need it. read up build threads and youll see what were talking about

bandit12

thanks guys..i did read a lot of builds and went through a lot of threads. i do not feel as though that the pros out weigh the cons. ive actually been talking to a few members who have decided to go turbo. not one of them are happy with their decision. to be fair though, one guy said he would be a lot happier if the company he went through would have sent him the right products and if their customer service were a lot better..i think for now my first investment will be bhr ignition upgrade

Ricky SE3P

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in my honest opinion...if you want to put boost on your 8, swap the renny for a older 13bre or 13brew motor that have been proven to handle boost much better/more reliably.

Ricky SE3P

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tomorrow, we make the 2012 SE Florida Lounge lol. we just need to unsticky this one and sticky the new one

cavemancan

Look I've been here a while. I don't participate too much with the site other than lurking and absorbing as much as I can. With this set let me clear up a few misconceptions:

ECU: the ECU is absolutely not the problem here. In fact the Cobb AP as all but resolved any issues in that regard. The only negative point here in regards to the ECU is the actual tuning because you have to wait for tuner availability. If you are not the patient type and can't keep your car out of boost so that the tuner can have a chance to work on the tune then go to Petitt Racing. They build custom turbo's for Rx8's and have the equipment to flash the stock ECU with the tune necessary for a turbo.

3 g's is not realistic with this car. I spent that alone in the following list of mods:
BHR ignition
BHR midpipe
Greddy Exhaust
AEM intake
Koni shocks
Tein Springs
Labor

Actually that put me over the $3k. A good turbo with all the necessary components will cost you the in neighborhood of $5k (280-300 wHP) to $7k (350 wHP). This is not including the labor to install the components or get it tuned.

As far as the week components of the Rx8. I see 20B Rx8's on stock axels and trannys. It all depends on the strain you put on those components. You will only need to start thinking about upgrading those components when you pass the 400wHP mark which maybe a hand full of people have done thus far.

Another thing to consider is...yes the car makes ok power. It's nothing special until you realize where it's coming from. A 1.3L engine making 238 HP (approx. 175 to 180 wHP) is nothing to laugh at. Thats impressive by it self. However, it still sucks. Now take another fact that rotary's love Boost when done right and you will end up with a very fast car that everyone will say "that **** will blow up in 20k miles". The truth of the logevity of this engine will rely on the owner. If you take car of the engine it will last but there are some things that need to be explained...

My engine lasted 100K miles in stock form before I needed to replace it. I want to point out that the motor would have kept going probably for another 50 to 100k miles if I ran it with the low compression (not that low just shy of the warrantee mark for Mazda).

A turbo engine will run hotter but what causes the failure of a turbo motor 80% of the time is owner mistakes. "I couldn't wait to get it 100% tuned...It felt like it was running great...BOOM" Or they are too cheap and don't get the necessary components to build the system right. Now heat on the side seals (not apex seals) is the other reason. This will happen over time and it depends how long you spend in high RPM driving/racing. If you daily drive the car like most people and just want that extra power between stop lights and highway there are guys in here that lasted like 75k + miles on turbo before needing a rebuild. The racers though will prob show much less than that. I am one of these guys so in my head I will assume my engine if raced and daily driven may require a rebuild in 40 to 50 k miles.

With all this said Ricky mentioned swapping the engine with a 13B Rew...Good choice for an engine but be prepared for the cost of the motor swap. It's not cheap if you want all your electronics to work like the speedo/guages. This is not a cheap swap. The plausible truth is you may turbo and drive it for 50k miles and love it and you life's situation may change and you may want another car anyway so I say Fug it...Turbo the bitch! If at the end of the engine's life your still in love with this car $3 to $5k (depends on porting, blue printing, balancing, etc) for a good rebuilt engine wont seem like a burden...It'll be fun.

Dude...read as much as you can on this **** and make a decission based on fact and your state of mind. A very good vendor on here told me "As for your project; since the engine runs good, install your turbo kit and enjoy it until the engine needs work. Then pull the engine, have it built properly, and reinstall everything. That way, you can enjoy it now and enjoy it even more later without spending more money than necessary...Charles @ BHR" I asked him if I should swap my motor for a series II motor since they have better oil injection (extra injector = better engine life) and that was his response and I agree. Get it done right and have fun with it NOW. If you think about it all the mods I've done so far support a turbo build...Ignition, midpipe, fuel tuner, high flow water pump and thermostat...etc. All I need now is a turbo kit and a tune.

Hope this helps! I needed to kill sometime before going to the gym. As ta la vista bitches!

cavemancan

Buying from any vendor is always a risk but there are some on here that truely feel the need to be involved with there customers. I already hinted who that is in my previous post.

Either way the ignition is necessary in my opinion for boost. Not because it gives you more power but because the engine runs smoother because if it (it also allows for more power...LOL! ). All the mods I listed are in preparation for this.

Ricky SE3P

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the investment of getting the rew as it lasts longer outweighs the renny FI build then needed a rebuild so soon. a larger initial investment, yes, but cheaper in the long run. also if i remember reading correctly, you can put a renesis front cover/plate on a 13brew and though you will be forced to premix because of not being able to use the omp, you can run off the renesis pcm/ecu with a piggy back unit. ill need to look further into that and follow up to see if its true