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#503
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Originally Posted by BlueRenesis82
you mean the cuts in the rear seats? I'm confused as to what you are referring to
While I don't PLAN on crashing, it would be nice to bolt into the seat belt anchor points in the rear seats. This would require taking the rear seats out, which I already do, and replacing the bolts that hold the lap belt and buckle to the car frame. These are crash rated for adults. It would require a 4 point harness, with the big problem being the straps going over the corners of the seat, rather than through two pass thru holes typically found in racing seats. This might cause the belts to push you down in the seat, submarining I believe they call it, rather than hold you in. I don't want racing seats, so I will have to figure something out. It might take me some time, and testing to get it right, but I am not planning on doing this as soon as I had wanted to. But hopefully I will be able to one of these days. That is where my R&D has come to a grinding halt. I have not been able to find anyone who has put harnesses in, with the stock seats. If you come across someone who has, or have some other ideas, please share.
-L8
#504
Originally Posted by Phlash
#505
The Turkish Delight
Originally Posted by TrackAddict
This one has some other cars on track with me. It was the very last session on Sunday. We were down to 5 cars IIRC. The M3 and yellow Spec E30-S were instuctors taking the Instructor Clinic class. I intended to go out and take it easy but it was hard to back off and let those guys get away from me.
I agree, as much as I told myself to take it easy at the end of the day, it just felt too good and I found myself going just as fast, if not faster.
#506
4 or 5 harnesses without a roll bar is fine for Auto X but a BAD IDEA for OT. The 4-5 points harnesses currently sold designed to attach to the rear seat belts are intended to keep you tight in the seat for low speed auto X only where the risk of roll-over is slim to none.
The reason it's a bad idea for high speed open track is that if you roll over and the roof caves in, your head is the highest point in the car and the 4-5 harness insures that it stays that way..
I.E. you are trapped, cannot lean over and your head/neck becomes roll-over protection for the other precious stuff in the car if you flip.
The reason it's a bad idea for high speed open track is that if you roll over and the roof caves in, your head is the highest point in the car and the 4-5 harness insures that it stays that way..
I.E. you are trapped, cannot lean over and your head/neck becomes roll-over protection for the other precious stuff in the car if you flip.
#507
Originally Posted by TorqueAholic
4 or 5 harnesses without a roll bar is fine for Auto X but a BAD IDEA for OT. The 4-5 points harnesses currently sold designed to attach to the rear seat belts are intended to keep you tight in the seat for low speed auto X only where the risk of roll-over is slim to none.
The reason it's a bad idea for high speed open track is that if you roll over and the roof caves in, your head is the highest point in the car and the 4-5 harness insures that it stays that way..
I.E. you are trapped, cannot lean over and your head/neck becomes roll-over protection for the other precious stuff in the car if you flip.
The reason it's a bad idea for high speed open track is that if you roll over and the roof caves in, your head is the highest point in the car and the 4-5 harness insures that it stays that way..
I.E. you are trapped, cannot lean over and your head/neck becomes roll-over protection for the other precious stuff in the car if you flip.
...negative
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#509
Originally Posted by Phlash
Is the camera shaking or is your passanger seat shaking that much?
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Originally Posted by TorqueAholic
4 or 5 harnesses without a roll bar is fine for Auto X but a BAD IDEA for OT. The 4-5 points harnesses currently sold designed to attach to the rear seat belts are intended to keep you tight in the seat for low speed auto X only where the risk of roll-over is slim to none.
The reason it's a bad idea for high speed open track is that if you roll over and the roof caves in, your head is the highest point in the car and the 4-5 harness insures that it stays that way..
I.E. you are trapped, cannot lean over and your head/neck becomes roll-over protection for the other precious stuff in the car if you flip.
The reason it's a bad idea for high speed open track is that if you roll over and the roof caves in, your head is the highest point in the car and the 4-5 harness insures that it stays that way..
I.E. you are trapped, cannot lean over and your head/neck becomes roll-over protection for the other precious stuff in the car if you flip.
#511
Originally Posted by BlueRenesis82
this is true, if you are lacking a roof, otherwise the roof and the pillars and windshield take the brunt of the force, plus, if you manage to flip in a DE, god help you
Don't mean to flame, but God help us all indeed, never seen a rolled-over car with a flattened roof, windshield, pillars, et all?
I was interested in a Schroth Harness, I did the research, and from all I read the consensus is that you are more likely to suffer compression injuries if you rollover and have a 4 or 5 point harness without additional roll-over protection installed in the car.
Nobody wants to rollover anywhere but at high speed on a track anything can happen.
Don't kid yourself about the "lack of danger" in DE's. It's true that it is not racing, not a competition, and the clubs go through a lot of efforts to make it safe. That being said it's also true that we routinely hit 100+ mph on the straights, the faster corners are routinely rounded in the 80-90+ mph range, and that my friend can open the door for gnarly stuff. Did you see the HDPE Poccono crash?
Safety is important I thought it might be good info for my buddies on this board to see both sides of the story regarding these harnesses
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Originally Posted by TorqueAholic
Great Pics TrackAddict! The 'checker board' headlight lens covers look really cool on the red 8.
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Originally Posted by TorqueAholic
Don't mean to flame, but God help us all indeed, never seen a rolled-over car with a flattened roof, windshield, pillars, et all?
I was interested in a Schroth Harness, I did the research, and from all I read the consensus is that you are more likely to suffer compression injuries if you rollover and have a 4 or 5 point harness without additional roll-over protection installed in the car.
Nobody wants to rollover anywhere but at high speed on a track anything can happen.
Don't kid yourself about the "lack of danger" in DE's. It's true that it is not racing, not a competition, and the clubs go through a lot of efforts to make it safe. That being said it's also true that we routinely hit 100+ mph on the straights, the faster corners are routinely rounded in the 80-90+ mph range, and that my friend can open the door for gnarly stuff. Did you see the HDPE Poccono crash?
Safety is important I thought it might be good info for my buddies on this board to see both sides of the story regarding these harnesses
I was interested in a Schroth Harness, I did the research, and from all I read the consensus is that you are more likely to suffer compression injuries if you rollover and have a 4 or 5 point harness without additional roll-over protection installed in the car.
Nobody wants to rollover anywhere but at high speed on a track anything can happen.
Don't kid yourself about the "lack of danger" in DE's. It's true that it is not racing, not a competition, and the clubs go through a lot of efforts to make it safe. That being said it's also true that we routinely hit 100+ mph on the straights, the faster corners are routinely rounded in the 80-90+ mph range, and that my friend can open the door for gnarly stuff. Did you see the HDPE Poccono crash?
Safety is important I thought it might be good info for my buddies on this board to see both sides of the story regarding these harnesses
but I do agree with your points
#517
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Originally Posted by BlueRenesis82
yeah, the Poccono crash was horrible, but you also need to take into account the fact that there was a novice driver with one of the fastest supercars ever made.
but I do agree with your points
but I do agree with your points
Here it is for those who haven't seen it. Really scary!
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/D...7B82294422.htm
#519
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Originally Posted by SilverEIGHT
Yea, that tape on the headlights is OD's signature! I lack it! Nice shots TA. The E-Z UP looks great. I need to see if I can get it for CMP... anyway we can meet this weekend. How about we (anyone that wants to join) Saturday afternoon for burger & brew somewhere in L8's area.
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Originally Posted by legokcen
The one where he went into the paddock?
Here it is for those who haven't seen it. Really scary!
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/D...7B82294422.htm
Here it is for those who haven't seen it. Really scary!
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/D...7B82294422.htm
#523
Most all the time issues like this are due to poor planning, not to driver error. In the case of the Carrera GT, they sent a car out in front of him, who moved 'online' in front of the Porsche who was closing at over 160+mph. Not good planning. What is sad is the guy who was killed was a rare 'stand-up' kind of guy, who would actually daily his Carrera GT, and let kids crawl all over it at car shows, including letting people start it etc. VERY RARE.
/me says prayer for him/.
/me says prayer for him/.
#524
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I had not heard fo that crash until now, the one with the Porsche. That is very sad, the driver had a wife and child, the passenger was recenlty married. It is a very scary thought, and reminds all of us, that when we head out onto the track, we are taking a big risk. If your head is not right, or you are not paying attention, bad **** can happen. Just ask the driver of the red corvette at RR, he tried to do the one thing you aren't supposed to do at RR. I bet his drive back to North Carolina was a long one, and he walked away from his accident. Sobering, and gives us all a reality check. Does it make me not want to get back out there, no, just reminds me of what we are doing.
Tonight I will try to get a couple videos posted up, one showing what happens when a DE driver decides that the rules don't apply to him, and a couple others with less excitement, and a lot less profanity.
Tonight I will try to get a couple videos posted up, one showing what happens when a DE driver decides that the rules don't apply to him, and a couple others with less excitement, and a lot less profanity.
#525
The Turkish Delight
Originally Posted by L8APEX
Tonight I will try to get a couple videos posted up, one showing what happens when a DE driver decides that the rules don't apply to him, and a couple others with less excitement, and a lot less profanity.
Would these rules be the rules of physics?