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03-13-2013, 09:26 AM
#26
You get what you pay for in a cheap rebuild. $3,000.00 is low end. Some builders will reuse anything, not balance the engine, won't know how to properly spec the hard parts, and will only replace what they feel is necessary (guessing mostly) using sub par parts, seals, etc.
And after talking to many of them I have found that most don't know jack **** so taking their word for anything is a huge gamble.
And after talking to many of them I have found that most don't know jack **** so taking their word for anything is a huge gamble.
03-13-2013, 10:48 AM
#28
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Shops and mechanics are also known for robbing patrons blind. The argument can be made from both sides. "You get what you pay for" is not always a valid statement. Comparing ebay parts to say... HKS? Sure, I can agree there, but labor charges and profit margins aren't a clear indicator of quality either. Turblown? Esmeril? Expensive, overstated value, overstated gains, missed delivery dates, excuses, and LOTS of complaints. Quality is reputation, not price. Price is just what you're wiling to pay.
And you should have thrown BDC in that list, after seeing a recent very expensive rebuild he did I wouldn't trust him to port or rebuild my lawn mower.
But we all learn differently and some the hard way. A couple of friends of mine have had the pleasure of dealing with two different but both highly capable (an somewhat expensive understandably) race car fab shops to fix their Turblown kits and they are both extremely excited and relieved to receive high quality well fabricated parts that work. And sometimes if you are capable and want something done right, you have to do it yourself.
I would say that for the most part you do get what you pay for when it comes to engine builders. $10,000.00 spent on a build with Darryl Drummond gets you a top notch build that is proven on an engine dyno or spending $10,000.00 with Corky Bell would get you a top notch fully functional turbo kit. Spending as much with the likes of Turblown, BDC, Esmeril, etc. gets you a largely unusable sum of parts, an empty bank account and a sore butt hole.
Last edited by 9krpmrx8; 03-13-2013 at 10:50 AM.
03-13-2013, 12:46 PM
#29
I agree, a higher price does not always equate to better results. But quality parts (OEM seals, ianetti seals, etc), assembly balancing, and new hard parts all cost a significant amount of money and there is just no way around that unless you have some sort of serious hook up. A builders charges for labor and what their lack of ability can cost you can equal serious amounts of cash.
And you should have thrown BDC in that list, after seeing a recent very expensive rebuild he did I wouldn't trust him to port or rebuild my lawn mower.
But we all learn differently and some the hard way. A couple of friends of mine have had the pleasure of dealing with two different but both highly capable (an somewhat expensive understandably) race car fab shops to fix their Turblown kits and they are both extremely excited and relieved to receive high quality well fabricated parts that work. And sometimes if you are capable and want something done right, you have to do it yourself.
I would say that for the most part you do get what you pay for when it comes to engine builders. $10,000.00 spent on a build with Darryl Drummond gets you a top notch build that is proven on an engine dyno or spending $10,000.00 with Corky Bell would get you a top notch fully functional turbo kit. Spending as much with the likes of Turblown, BDC, Esmeril, etc. gets you a largely unusable sum of parts, an empty bank account and a sore butt hole.
And you should have thrown BDC in that list, after seeing a recent very expensive rebuild he did I wouldn't trust him to port or rebuild my lawn mower.
But we all learn differently and some the hard way. A couple of friends of mine have had the pleasure of dealing with two different but both highly capable (an somewhat expensive understandably) race car fab shops to fix their Turblown kits and they are both extremely excited and relieved to receive high quality well fabricated parts that work. And sometimes if you are capable and want something done right, you have to do it yourself.
I would say that for the most part you do get what you pay for when it comes to engine builders. $10,000.00 spent on a build with Darryl Drummond gets you a top notch build that is proven on an engine dyno or spending $10,000.00 with Corky Bell would get you a top notch fully functional turbo kit. Spending as much with the likes of Turblown, BDC, Esmeril, etc. gets you a largely unusable sum of parts, an empty bank account and a sore butt hole.
With you're examples, their reputation precedes them. Thus, they demand a premium, and I can respect their price.
03-19-2013, 05:22 AM
#31
I recently did. Ended up dumping nearly $4000 trying to get it rebuilt with a guy who claimed to have worked for rotary resurrection. After about 8 months of failure he pretty much told me to go screw myself. Anyways, I'm doing it right this time and the seals alone are costing me $1500, and its only that cheap because I had already purchased the $300+ apex seals. On top of that lapping the housings is 320 at mazdatrix or 334 at racing beat. Plus I need 2 new rotors which is another $500-650 for usable condition used rotors. plus I'm getting a deal on the labor at only $1000, so It is costing me $3500+ still. I don't see how a shop could stay in business offering rebuilds for less than the price of just the seals.
03-25-2013, 09:51 PM
#34
I recently did. Ended up dumping nearly $4000 trying to get it rebuilt with a guy who claimed to have worked for rotary resurrection. After about 8 months of failure he pretty much told me to go screw myself. Anyways, I'm doing it right this time and the seals alone are costing me $1500, and its only that cheap because I had already purchased the $300+ apex seals. On top of that lapping the housings is 320 at mazdatrix or 334 at racing beat. Plus I need 2 new rotors which is another $500-650 for usable condition used rotors. plus I'm getting a deal on the labor at only $1000, so It is costing me $3500+ still. I don't see how a shop could stay in business offering rebuilds for less than the price of just the seals.
3K for a rebuild usually means it's crap
Wanna know how much I did for my FC engine all brand new parts /w BDC doing a small street port (I know I know about BDC, but hey im sure he can port an engine, lol)0
except 2 rotors and e-shaft with Ceramic seals AND I have MMS discount? like 7 or 8K. and i did all work myself except the porting.
MSP parts cost slighty less so maybe 5-6K without ceramic seals. don't need new housing/iron ? well u don't execatly need them but honestly if u want good compression, you will need at least a pair of brand new housing. and those things ain't cheap.
Last edited by nycgps; 03-25-2013 at 09:55 PM.
03-26-2013, 05:44 PM
#35
5500 can go a long way if you shop for deals.
1. Cobb= 300
2. AP midpipe= 75
3. RB midpipe= 120
4. AFE shifter= 160
5. RR Single= 180
6. HKS Single= 60 ....not a typo I paid 60$ for mine
That's a short list of the major parts I have bought and the price. As you can see 5500 will go a long way! Just be patient and know what you're looking for.
I would add coilovers or a shock/spring combo to the list. That would be your most expensive upgrade. I would also leave out the Intake...
1. Cobb= 300
2. AP midpipe= 75
3. RB midpipe= 120
4. AFE shifter= 160
5. RR Single= 180
6. HKS Single= 60 ....not a typo I paid 60$ for mine
That's a short list of the major parts I have bought and the price. As you can see 5500 will go a long way! Just be patient and know what you're looking for.
I would add coilovers or a shock/spring combo to the list. That would be your most expensive upgrade. I would also leave out the Intake...
03-26-2013, 07:23 PM
#36
cruise the forums for deals man. The only thing I'll be paying full price for is a set of coilovers I'm ordering tomorrow and I am even getting a slight price reduction on those after emailing the vendor.
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