Ok...the rx8 will do well on the track. Now can you please admit that the rx8 performs poorly in a straight line compared to most other sports car in its price range and we can finally put this argument to bed?

 

So if the RX-8 doesn't accelerate as well as a 350Z it loses its' 50% margin, then the 350Z must also lose its' 50% margin because it doesn't handle as well. Guess you kinda shot yourself in the foot with that statement.

Okay, the RX-8 isn't as fast as the 350Z, or many others in its' class, in 0-60 or 1/4-mile numbers. Thank You, Captain Obvious. All this time I thought the RX-8 was a drag-racing machine.

When will finally admit that that doesn't matter to anyone here. If people who bought the RX-8 thought that was an important characteristic for their car to have they wouldn't have bought it. The 350Z is an amazing car. It does what it does very well, just like the RX-8 does -- they just do two different things. But, for me, it's just missing something.

Maybe next you can go to the Mazda6 Forums and tell them their car isn't as fast as a 3.5 Altima SE.

 

I came from a very heavily modded wrx http://rockymountainrx8.com/modules....c&t=9&start=30 and I've had the 8 since november and I still wouldn't go back to the WRX. Sure I miss the raw power sometimes but this car is just much funner to drive.

 

In a drag race, the 8 is not the fastest in it's price range. (The S2000 and G35 are barely faster, oh noes--"not fast"). And no one here was claiming the 8 is going to win drag races. Your fevered imagination has cooked up that particular strawman. You really need to differentiate between "not fast" and "not fast in a straight line".

If hardassed performance for about $28k is what you seek, go and build a Factory Five Cobra, or maybe a killer sport bike and pocket some cash. If you're like most people, and desire some compromises towards passenger space, comfortable ride (without sacrificing handling), etc. then get an 8.

 

I think the problem is that alot of people don't really know how to distinguish muscle car from sports car.

 

Well put...

 

Great...now that we've established that, we can all understand why this forum does not have a "kill"section....because it'll be empty! Which was my point all along...why this forum has no kill section. You can't have a kill section when your'e driving the slowest car in your price range.

Well...I guess you'd have people saying "A corolla pulled up next to me and started revving its engine...so I revved to 6k, popped the clutch and next thing you knew all he saw was the smoke coming out of my tires while I killed him by 2 car lengths or so by the next light!!"

 

I guess the STi isn't considered a sports car...

 

No, I think its more of a rally car. What does Ike consider it?

 

please refresh my memory...why did you but your 8? You seem to have a lot of negative things to say about this car and this board. If you dont like it....leave! There are other boards where you can brag about getting beat my minivans and corollas. I think its funny how you have to slam anyone who posts positive things about this car. Maybe you would be better off with a car that can make up for something that you're obviously lacking. Like previously stated, there is always going to be a faster car. Do you here Corvette owners complaining about cars that cost half as much as them, but are running faster times? No. People buy a car for a reason. Me, I plan on buying an 8 because I feel that it is the best car sub 30k. Its stylish, unique, and quick. I dont need something to get me from stop light to stop light the fastest. I want something that is fun to drive and if there is an occasion where I can have some "spirited" driving, then it will be up to the call.

 

There are plenty of reasons I bought my car, acceleration was not one of them. I've never said anything negative about it except that it's one of the slowest in its class, that's all. No car is perfect, this one is close...it would be perfect I think if it had maybe 40 more whp (not mazda's "claimed" whp that nobody seems to know how to find...REAL whp thats accessible).

Please point me to my posts where I slam ANYONE who has ANYTHING postive to say...as you say that I do? I've been arguing with people only on this thread and only about the reason why there's no kill section...I'm not hating the car (obviously or I wouldn't of bought!), I actually love the car, thanks for all your assumptions tho'.

I like how you immidiatly jump down anybodies throat who has ANY criticism to make about the car (and acceleration is one of the only ones to make! Oh the sound system can use some help too).

 

I don't consider it a sports car...more like a rally car.

Personally, I think a sports car actually has to look "sporty" as well as have performance characteristics. This is my big beef with Subaru, and if they actually start making decent looking cars I'll be all over them like Rosie Odonnell on a smarty.

BTW, Niro, can you post a pic of your car? I'd like to know what someone can love so much

Also, you said the RX-8 isn't a coupe, but I've seen it referred to as that in some Mazda literature as well as many reviews (case in point: http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=8923). Maybe you were being sarcastic?

 

The fact that the car isn't the best stoplight racer also screens out the Fast & Furious crowd from purchasing it in the first place. The audience here tends to be more mature than most forums. Even if Mazda suddenly released a flash which gave us +50hp, I don't think you'd find everyone demanding that a kill section be opened.

 

Is that the magical "z" flash I've heard about??? :D

 

No, you're confusing race cars with sports cars now. And even then the measure of a race car is it's lap time, not individual performance statistics. How it achieves that lap time is always a blended compromise of various tunings.

A sports car is measured by the width of the the smile it creates. The Miata, the old CRXsi and original MR2... all very "slow" cars by modern standards... yet each was incredibly fun to drive. They all connected the driver to the driving experience far better than many cars which could lap them at any track.

 

already done...here ya go

https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-show-shine-26/green-nxt-pics-63490/

 

If a +50hp flash got released...I can almost guarantee people would be posting kills all over place, a kill section would either be opened...or you'd have a bunch of kill posts in random places.

Either that or a whole lot of bannings would go around, and a "www.rx8forums.com" site would open up.

 

I wasn't being sarcastic...I always considered 2 door cars coupes, and 4 door sedans. The rx8 is a new animal...kind of a cross between the two. Unless I got the whole coupe/sedan definition wrong.

EDIT:

Coupe: A closed car with two side doors and less than 33 cubic feet of rear interior volume, according to measurements based on SAE standard J1100. A two-door car is therefore not necessarily a coupe.

Sedan: A sedan car, American English terminology, is one of the most common configurations of the modern automobile, having a usually four-door passenger compartment between the lower hood – covering the engine in the front, and the lower trunk at the rear. At least 33 cubic feet of rear interior volume.

How many cubic feet are in the rear of an rx8? I'm guessing less then 33 cubic feet...then it's a Coupe.

 

I was more thinking along the two completely different philosohpies between the RX-8 and... hmm a Supra or a 350z

 

i think that anyone who complains about the 8's straightline performance didnt do their research before they bought one. I love my car...i know i could have gotten a faster car for the money but it wouldn't have been unique. I have driven all kinds of fast cars from a low 11 second awd talon to my high 13 second all motor prelude. My best friend has an evo that runs mid 12s and he didnt like my car until he went for a ride in it and then he had a whole new respect for the 8. His car is fast but not as fun and not as easy to drive and control when your going fast.

I'm getting out of the street racing state of mind so 0-60 and 1/4 mile times dont bother me that much. But still this car is pretty quick for its lack of power. I keep up with my friends 03 mustang gt and ive pull on my friends civic with a jdm b16 swap and almost completely lighten. This is the same guy with the evo. His civic almost kept up with my prelude so he was really surprise when i walked on him in his civic.

But I wouldnt trade my 8 for any other car under $50k and most people who bought an 8 and know what they were getting would think the same way.

 

haven't read everyone's opinion about getting people getting beat by 350Z's and I deeply respect everyones opinion but I have personally "tested" my RX8 against two of them 350Z's taking off at 8k rpms and have maintained 3 cars ahead of them "both times" the whole time. I'm an old school guy that fell in love with rotaries since 1982 when someone owed me money and I got their car in return for the cash they owed me and since then I'm a rotor head; all I've got in my 8 is a cold air intake and lots of heart and pretty good at shifting by ear and not by a shift light. I have seen RX8 drivers getting their butts whipped by others and if you take off the line at the same time and shift between 5 to 6k RPM's you should have no problems staying ahead of the game, unless that the 350Z is modified somewhat, that is personaly my experience. Now the WRX STI I have deep respect for. I have taken off side by side but the only one time that I tried "testing" my car we were slowed down by "State" 5-0's. I've had 82 and 83 RX 7's street and all I did to the 82 was put headers, Crane 70KV coils Hi flow cat and Flowmaster muffler and was beating Mustangs 5-O's like a joke and the 83 RX7 I put a bridgeported 12a nitrous ready engine with dual stage nitrous, T-5 tranny, Ford 9" with a 5.4 gear, roll cage and a bronze clutch I bought from PR and was running very hard but never took it to the track because I got rid of due to a divorce. Come on guys...I'm sure that we rotary freaks will come up with something soon and the rotary world will keep spinning and having fun...

 

Why in the world would you want to shift between 5K and 6K if you were going for best-time? You haven't even hit peak torque and you lose all the gearing benefits of having a higher redline. You'd be lucky to run a low-15 doing that, if that. Most people drive around town shifting there.

And the only way you're beating 350Zs by any measure, let alone 3 full car lengths, is if they totally SUCK at driving. A good driver in a Z can pull 13s easy, and no way in HELL an RX-8 is getting anywhere near that, let alone beating it by another quarter-second to get 3 car-lengths ahead.

 

Prime example of why street racing isn't allowed on these forums

 

Thanks man...you just completely ruined the integrity of my argument....then again, maybe a true kill section would keep post like this away...?

 

Guys and gals, I too respect everyones opionions on the 8, whether good or bad. But I personally love mine. Speed really isn't a factor for me but the chicks love it and that's what makes the payments worth it every month. When I do feel the need for speed, I just get on my GSXR 750. I've modded it up and it's 0-60 in 2.0 seconds. So if you are tired of being beaten, just get a crotch rocket. You will be truly amazed how many people will try to race you in cars and all they will see is your dust. The only car I've ever had hang with me was a HEAVILY modded 03 Cobra with a 100 shot of nitrous.