BHR Ignition Kit Doesn't Work!!
04-28-2009, 06:44 PM
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04-28-2009, 07:41 PM
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well heres a little personnel experience. I made my own yukon coils set up. I was pulling 305 grams/sec at approx 7.7 K(pettit s.c set up) approx 8 lbs of boost--i use a flash for the oem that does not touch the stock dwell numbers. I had no probs with starting, running,-- nothing showing. All seemed fine. I think my water meth saved me actually by lowering the intake charge temps which also would lower the egt's (remember side seals).
Learning all that has been presented here I have swapped back to the oem set up. safety 1st for me.
now my redline is low 7.5 to 8K and my temps are low. That had to have helped keep anything from showing. Point is I was ok with the yukons with my set up but why take chances?
I did not buy my set up from Ray or anything from MM--but they have very helpful in educating me through this gutsy and smart thread and PM's.
Sometimes credibility is more important than any product.
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Learning all that has been presented here I have swapped back to the oem set up. safety 1st for me.
now my redline is low 7.5 to 8K and my temps are low. That had to have helped keep anything from showing. Point is I was ok with the yukons with my set up but why take chances?
I did not buy my set up from Ray or anything from MM--but they have very helpful in educating me through this gutsy and smart thread and PM's.
Sometimes credibility is more important than any product.
olddragger
04-28-2009, 09:41 PM
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And they're not giving anything out for free. MM's got bad tunes out there right now for anyone using the BHR ignition system pushing over 300 g/s. Just a smart move to get the rest of his customer base fixed up too in case he's wrong again about cars running less than that.
I don't think I've seen anyone on this forum call Jeff stupid.
04-28-2009, 09:43 PM
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I don't feel that I'm getting any benefit at all with the BHR ignition system over the OEM system.
The responses here saying 'tune it and quit whining' seem to be missing the point. This wasn't advertised as a system that required tuning to have gains over the OEM system. Now, 6+ months after I ordered this, any advertised reason to get this kit for my car seems to have been thrown out the window.
It's nice that a lot of people feel a need to jump in and defend BHR but it'd be nicer if even one of them said why this kit, untuned, is an improvement over the OEM coils.
04-28-2009, 10:25 PM
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I feel plenty comfortable that my car isn't going to suddenly quit on me.
I don't feel that I'm getting any benefit at all with the BHR ignition system over the OEM system.
The responses here saying 'tune it and quit whining' seem to be missing the point. This wasn't advertised as a system that required tuning to have gains over the OEM system. Now, 6+ months after I ordered this, any advertised reason to get this kit for my car seems to have been thrown out the window.
It's nice that a lot of people feel a need to jump in and defend BHR but it'd be nicer if even one of them said why this kit, untuned, is an improvement over the OEM coils.
I don't feel that I'm getting any benefit at all with the BHR ignition system over the OEM system.
The responses here saying 'tune it and quit whining' seem to be missing the point. This wasn't advertised as a system that required tuning to have gains over the OEM system. Now, 6+ months after I ordered this, any advertised reason to get this kit for my car seems to have been thrown out the window.
It's nice that a lot of people feel a need to jump in and defend BHR but it'd be nicer if even one of them said why this kit, untuned, is an improvement over the OEM coils.
04-28-2009, 11:09 PM
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The dwell issue began with forced induction applications flowing more than 300 g/s of air. It's a niche problem.
I honestly don't know how many more ways I can say this.
04-29-2009, 12:13 AM
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04-29-2009, 12:16 AM
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Um no. the product works as advertised out of the box. They're telling you what target should be to get the most out of the product for tuned FI applications.
04-29-2009, 12:19 AM
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04-29-2009, 12:32 AM
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this thread is completely ridiculous.
This is like bitching at Microsoft for all the ******* patches they make us download without telling us EXACTLY how it's going to help our computers or what it's going to do.
When I bought Vista it said it was an easy install, just put the CD in and go.
those freaking lying thieves!
This is like bitching at Microsoft for all the ******* patches they make us download without telling us EXACTLY how it's going to help our computers or what it's going to do.
When I bought Vista it said it was an easy install, just put the CD in and go.
those freaking lying thieves!
04-29-2009, 12:36 AM
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this thread is completely ridiculous.
This is like bitching at Microsoft for all the ******* patches they make us download without telling us EXACTLY how it's going to help our computers or what it's going to do.
When I bought Vista it said it was an easy install, just put the CD in and go.
those freaking lying thieves!
This is like bitching at Microsoft for all the ******* patches they make us download without telling us EXACTLY how it's going to help our computers or what it's going to do.
When I bought Vista it said it was an easy install, just put the CD in and go.
those freaking lying thieves!
04-29-2009, 12:45 AM
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Sad thing is I could take matters into my own hands and demand that Jeff release the dwell settings for the accessport...the discussion would go something like this.
Me: "Jeff, I demand that you release the information to the public!"
Maniac: (erupts into gut wrenching laugher)
*crickets chirping*
Maniac: Go take Chewie for a walk.
Me: "Jeff, I demand that you release the information to the public!"
Maniac: (erupts into gut wrenching laugher)
*crickets chirping*
Maniac: Go take Chewie for a walk.
04-29-2009, 12:51 AM
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^^^ that sounds about right.
I just get a kick out of the fact that people feel they're entitled to this info.
I just get a kick out of the fact that people feel they're entitled to this info.
04-29-2009, 12:56 AM
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I feel plenty comfortable that my car isn't going to suddenly quit on me.
I don't feel that I'm getting any benefit at all with the BHR ignition system over the OEM system.
The responses here saying 'tune it and quit whining' seem to be missing the point. This wasn't advertised as a system that required tuning to have gains over the OEM system. Now, 6+ months after I ordered this, any advertised reason to get this kit for my car seems to have been thrown out the window.
It's nice that a lot of people feel a need to jump in and defend BHR but it'd be nicer if even one of them said why this kit, untuned, is an improvement over the OEM coils.
I don't feel that I'm getting any benefit at all with the BHR ignition system over the OEM system.
The responses here saying 'tune it and quit whining' seem to be missing the point. This wasn't advertised as a system that required tuning to have gains over the OEM system. Now, 6+ months after I ordered this, any advertised reason to get this kit for my car seems to have been thrown out the window.
It's nice that a lot of people feel a need to jump in and defend BHR but it'd be nicer if even one of them said why this kit, untuned, is an improvement over the OEM coils.
They last longer and don't misfire under NA applications.
04-29-2009, 02:17 AM
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They are not - Ray corrected it publically (as in this thread).
Ray and company gave the information to "fix it" IE 5ms.... which works for people such as the Int-X with only one dwell setting.
I interpolated from a few different sources the deviation from known values... and made a first pass at dwell settings which did improve drivability even in NA (as in a free bonus, make lemons out of lemonade and all that).
I was told I was way off - so I asked for clarification on deviation from standard - IE XYZ% deviation from the stock dwell setting at or about the torque peak... and I would have made my own dwell table decisions with information that was accurate from the VENDOR who sold the coils.
I was told to pound sand on one hand and something a lot nicer but equally uninformative on the other hand.... so now; I have to contact a bunch of people in and around Mazda and some electrical engineers I happen to work with in order to get information to make the coils work in a manner that they were advertised.
I don't want my money back; I love these coils and have seen what they can do first hand - - I just want them to work. It would be nice to have the vendor provide information available or an "I don't know"...in which case I would have done my best to get an answer and let them know what it is in order to make the next customers life easier.
Diversification of labor simply means: work toward your competitive advantage and don't sweat the rest; I am a business application development / systems guy / software guy... not an electrical engineer - so dwell settings would have no impact on my competitive advantage (real or percieved) and as such is worthless to me; which is why I give that kind of information away if I have it.
Dwell settings is not "tuning" - it is fixing a freakin bug.... just like microsoft gives you for free all the time. And they will tell you exactly what is in those patches if you ask... functional description.
04-29-2009, 07:33 AM
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They were marketed as stock dwell compatible and a good replacement for FI.
They are not - Ray corrected it publically (as in this thread).
Ray and company gave the information to "fix it" IE 5ms.... which works for people such as the Int-X with only one dwell setting.
I interpolated from a few different sources the deviation from known values... and made a first pass at dwell settings which did improve drivability even in NA (as in a free bonus, make lemons out of lemonade and all that).
I was told I was way off - so I asked for clarification on deviation from standard - IE XYZ% deviation from the stock dwell setting at or about the torque peak... and I would have made my own dwell table decisions with information that was accurate from the VENDOR who sold the coils.
I was told to pound sand on one hand and something a lot nicer but equally uninformative on the other hand.... so now; I have to contact a bunch of people in and around Mazda and some electrical engineers I happen to work with in order to get information to make the coils work in a manner that they were advertised.
I don't want my money back; I love these coils and have seen what they can do first hand - - I just want them to work. It would be nice to have the vendor provide information available or an "I don't know"...in which case I would have done my best to get an answer and let them know what it is in order to make the next customers life easier.
Diversification of labor simply means: work toward your competitive advantage and don't sweat the rest; I am a business application development / systems guy / software guy... not an electrical engineer - so dwell settings would have no impact on my competitive advantage (real or percieved) and as such is worthless to me; which is why I give that kind of information away if I have it.
Dwell settings is not "tuning" - it is fixing a freakin bug.... just like microsoft gives you for free all the time. And they will tell you exactly what is in those patches if you ask... functional description.
They are not - Ray corrected it publically (as in this thread).
Ray and company gave the information to "fix it" IE 5ms.... which works for people such as the Int-X with only one dwell setting.
I interpolated from a few different sources the deviation from known values... and made a first pass at dwell settings which did improve drivability even in NA (as in a free bonus, make lemons out of lemonade and all that).
I was told I was way off - so I asked for clarification on deviation from standard - IE XYZ% deviation from the stock dwell setting at or about the torque peak... and I would have made my own dwell table decisions with information that was accurate from the VENDOR who sold the coils.
I was told to pound sand on one hand and something a lot nicer but equally uninformative on the other hand.... so now; I have to contact a bunch of people in and around Mazda and some electrical engineers I happen to work with in order to get information to make the coils work in a manner that they were advertised.
I don't want my money back; I love these coils and have seen what they can do first hand - - I just want them to work. It would be nice to have the vendor provide information available or an "I don't know"...in which case I would have done my best to get an answer and let them know what it is in order to make the next customers life easier.
Diversification of labor simply means: work toward your competitive advantage and don't sweat the rest; I am a business application development / systems guy / software guy... not an electrical engineer - so dwell settings would have no impact on my competitive advantage (real or percieved) and as such is worthless to me; which is why I give that kind of information away if I have it.
Dwell settings is not "tuning" - it is fixing a freakin bug.... just like microsoft gives you for free all the time. And they will tell you exactly what is in those patches if you ask... functional description.
I have been silent up to this point. I would agree these coils were marketed as a stock replacement. A plug and play solution that was excellent for FI. This did not turn out to be the case in which Charles was very upset and concerned about. But now a solution is out but for the vast majority of new FI applications its black box. I plan on going to the AP in the near future and while I do like the idea of more powerful coils I don't like the feeling of having to make adjustments unknown to us to get the desired results. I feel like I went to the BMW dealership, looked at the M3, saw the claim of 414hp, get it home to find out there is adjustment to be made to get the 414 but they won't tell you how to make the adjustment.