BHR Ignition System: Results/Impressions
12-28-2008, 11:37 AM
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Granted, this is coming from the guy that took 4 hours to replace two friggin parking lights last weekend
Regardless of what the instructions say, I had planned on some combination of labeling wires and plugs and sequencing disassembly, reassembly to ensure nothing going mismatched. I figuref if I go one plug/coil at a time I can't go wrong, regardless what the instructions say.
A thread such as this would be of value, even to someone who's been active for a while, working through all the various mods and complexities over time...
12-28-2008, 11:38 AM
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How are people supposed to gain a "mechanical aptitude" if they are never given the opportunity to do it themselves?
Local guys can tell you that I insist they do the work themselves.
I may stand near to observe and offer tips on how to utilize some tools.
And it might take much longer than usual, but they gain that knowledge.
For BHR to come on here and almost poking fun at people having issues with the installation is the first time I've been disappointed in them.
We should be here to help even the most novice person and not make them feel like an idiot.
Sorry... rant over.
Local guys can tell you that I insist they do the work themselves.
I may stand near to observe and offer tips on how to utilize some tools.
And it might take much longer than usual, but they gain that knowledge.
For BHR to come on here and almost poking fun at people having issues with the installation is the first time I've been disappointed in them.
We should be here to help even the most novice person and not make them feel like an idiot.
Sorry... rant over.
I have no problem with people doing it themselves. You learn from your mistakes, correct?
I don't think anybody is bashing anybody about their particular skills, but if they have the skills to do this then they should be able to see the simple issues they are having and rectify them.
So far I'm seeing people that haven't pushed the spark plug boot down enough and are having spark leak.
I see people that don't have the proper tools to do the job and all this comes out as the 'BHR kit has issues".
As stated we will make a new set of instructions with step by step information and pictures.
We didn't realize people would need that indepth of information. I guess we were wrong.
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12-28-2008, 11:50 AM
#56
@ShellDude: you're completely right and at times i have problems doing the easiest things as well 
The fact is that just looking at things won't tell you what tools are needed so providing a guy with a good "tools neded:" part will speed things up. This is an easy install that requires common tools, for other products it could be of a great help.
The fact is that just looking at things won't tell you what tools are needed so providing a guy with a good "tools neded:" part will speed things up. This is an easy install that requires common tools, for other products it could be of a great help.
12-28-2008, 11:51 AM
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Sorry if I overreacted a little... it just seemed as if it was starting to get a little "bashing".
I have no problem with people doing it themselves. You learn from your mistakes, correct?
I don't think anybody is bashing anybody about their particular skills, but if they have the skills to do this then they should be able to see the simple issues they are having and rectify them.
So far I'm seeing people that haven't pushed the spark plug boot down enough and are having spark leak.
I see people that don't have the proper tools to do the job and all this comes out as the 'BHR kit has issues".
As stated we will make a new set of instructions with step by step information and pictures.
We didn't realize people would need that in depth of information. I guess we were wrong.
I don't think anybody is bashing anybody about their particular skills, but if they have the skills to do this then they should be able to see the simple issues they are having and rectify them.
So far I'm seeing people that haven't pushed the spark plug boot down enough and are having spark leak.
I see people that don't have the proper tools to do the job and all this comes out as the 'BHR kit has issues".
As stated we will make a new set of instructions with step by step information and pictures.
We didn't realize people would need that in depth of information. I guess we were wrong.
Whenever I meet with someone I always have my "bag-of-goodies" with me because most people only have the real basic tools (no extensions, swivels, etc to help with an install).
I do also encourage that people with no mechanical knowledge should see if anyone from their area has a little more knowledge and can help with an install.
Like I said... this all could have just been a misunderstanding on my part.
12-28-2008, 11:55 AM
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Tell ya what; BHR will produce a video wherein Michelle and my son, Alex, will each install this kit all by themselves in less than an hour while reading the instructions. With nothing more that a 10mm deep-well socket, extension, ratchet, and screwdriver. Neither of them have ever touched my car.
Would that be good?
Seriously though, we'll make improvements in the instructions. If we had spent time making a video or pictorial instructions none of you would have your kits right now.
Would that be good?
Seriously though, we'll make improvements in the instructions. If we had spent time making a video or pictorial instructions none of you would have your kits right now.
How about with one hand tied behind their back while relating the instruction using sign language. That will definitely be an awesome video. I really don’t see the challenge of installing a very simple but yet outstanding component that will definitely improve your car performance.
12-28-2008, 01:02 PM
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He wants someone else to spend $60 on a dyno run, well before I do that, I want him to dyno test his tint. Maybe do before and after runs for his air freshener too. How about before and after runs with zaino.
none of these are hp mods. So why should it be any different?
none of these are hp mods. So why should it be any different?
12-28-2008, 03:16 PM
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If an opportunity comes up, we may, but BHR has no intention of spending money to specifically dyno "prove" this product. The only thing we feel to be substantial would be to show what level of power mods, i.e. forced-induction, are needed in order to expose the weaknesses in the Ignition System. So far, with MM's dalliances all summer long in AZ on the racetrack, with boost pressures as high as 14-16 PSI, and no misfire episodes related to the coils (we did expose some lousy spark plug wires but they weren't MSDs), we believe that is all that is needed to qualify the benefits thereof. We also have Easy's nitrous expoits well past 8,000 RPMs with no misfires, either. I typically buzz my own engine to 9,500 RPMs and it pulls smooth the whole way.
We can also point to the universal impressions each new purchaser of this system report, which are improved driveability, as something of note.
With regard to dyno graphs, I will bet anybody the biggest documentable gains will not be seen in peak power but in the fact there there won't be nearly as much of a torque roll-off above 7,000 RPMs (as compared to OEM coils) and the torque curve across the RPM range will be smoother.
We can also point to the universal impressions each new purchaser of this system report, which are improved driveability, as something of note.
With regard to dyno graphs, I will bet anybody the biggest documentable gains will not be seen in peak power but in the fact there there won't be nearly as much of a torque roll-off above 7,000 RPMs (as compared to OEM coils) and the torque curve across the RPM range will be smoother.
12-28-2008, 03:24 PM
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Charles, the fact in my opinion is not the torque roll over or the power increase itself but the power loss that you avoid on the long term on top of that with these coils!
MazdaManiac and Easy_E1 are the proof
MazdaManiac and Easy_E1 are the proof
12-28-2008, 03:40 PM
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Is every mod for power? I bought these for one reason, because I believe that they will last longer than the OEM coils, which had gone out twice in less than 40k miles. I was expecting slightly better efficiency, which I have been pleasantly surprised with. I'm also happy with the "driveability" type mod, in that it makes the driving experience better. How? As noted before, my car prior to this mod kinda felt like it ran out of breath around 7500 or so. Now it willing revs past that point with out the breathless feeling.
I just find if interesting that BHR, even during the development of the kit, stated that this was NOT intended as a power mod. Yet the first thing that gets asked for are dyno sheets.
This is one of the mods I would do again, and have no regrets over the purchase of this item.
I just find if interesting that BHR, even during the development of the kit, stated that this was NOT intended as a power mod. Yet the first thing that gets asked for are dyno sheets.
This is one of the mods I would do again, and have no regrets over the purchase of this item.
12-28-2008, 05:03 PM
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I'll end up doing it for unrelated reasons.... but here is factory 6000 mile coils on a dyno at 8-9 PSI.... see something wrong?
That is what a car falling on it's face looks like....
Compare that to the volume of air entering the motor. (from 3000 on)...
Look down low - my Virutal Dyno is almost exactly in line.... and then something goes wrong... I have air, I have fuel...... sooooo what am I missing?
That is what a car falling on it's face looks like....
Compare that to the volume of air entering the motor. (from 3000 on)...
Look down low - my Virutal Dyno is almost exactly in line.... and then something goes wrong... I have air, I have fuel...... sooooo what am I missing?
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12-28-2008, 05:10 PM
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I will; simply cause I need to compare my "virtual dyno" part of Baseline with the real world....assuming a healthy pull.
Obvioulsy... I can "feel" a 100 HP difference - well guess what? Yeah; I noticed a small change after the install.... by small I mean laying rubber in 4th (totally on accident); I was having fun.
Obvioulsy... I can "feel" a 100 HP difference - well guess what? Yeah; I noticed a small change after the install.... by small I mean laying rubber in 4th (totally on accident); I was having fun.