BHR Midpipe
04-10-2013, 08:59 PM
#2577
How many is "alot" and what are you implying, Brandon?
With several hundred units in the field, statistics dictate that concerns/issues will arise from time to time. Whether those collective concerns/issues amount to a general commentary on the design of the product in question, an isolated batch of units, or isolated situations is up for me to decide as I am the only one who can "connect the dots", so to speak and I am trying my best to that in this situation as well.
In addition, I may now have to deal with the concept that certain cat-back manufaturers may have changed their own design elements while not upgrading the hardware included with their particular offerings. Let's also not forget "professional" technicians who really know not how to properly install anything on a car.
With everything I have to deal with on a routine basis, I am beginning to understand why most mechanics HATE aftermarket products and I am coming to the conclusion that most trade schools graduate their students devoid of any practical knowledge about automobile design, assembly, and maintenance.
Lastly; I have my own douchebag suppliers with whom I must deal that want to constantly redesign their parts, backorder stuff I rely on, and mislead me about delivery dates. So, yes, I am a little frustrated with things lately.
With several hundred units in the field, statistics dictate that concerns/issues will arise from time to time. Whether those collective concerns/issues amount to a general commentary on the design of the product in question, an isolated batch of units, or isolated situations is up for me to decide as I am the only one who can "connect the dots", so to speak and I am trying my best to that in this situation as well.
In addition, I may now have to deal with the concept that certain cat-back manufaturers may have changed their own design elements while not upgrading the hardware included with their particular offerings. Let's also not forget "professional" technicians who really know not how to properly install anything on a car.
With everything I have to deal with on a routine basis, I am beginning to understand why most mechanics HATE aftermarket products and I am coming to the conclusion that most trade schools graduate their students devoid of any practical knowledge about automobile design, assembly, and maintenance.
Lastly; I have my own douchebag suppliers with whom I must deal that want to constantly redesign their parts, backorder stuff I rely on, and mislead me about delivery dates. So, yes, I am a little frustrated with things lately.
You and I go aways back and Im not bashing on BHR. BHR makes premium parts that are quality; theres no need to get defensive as your name and ethics stands by your products. You always stand behind your product and help your customers if they need anything. I guess Instead of "alot" I should of said several... Regardless I meant no disrespect as I drink the "BHR Kool-aid". Alot of my purchases are from you and my car has a few BHR products on it that perform flawlessly, but I felt it was appropriate to post my video because some fellow members have had the same problem. There is always going to be those that dont know how to tighten a gasket properly (i.e. even torque across both sides to ensure a proper seal, not talking about you Paimon) but us that actually know how to install something (a midpipe has to be one of the easiest things to install) and for us to still have the noise its a little frustrating considering this resonator should last forever due to its design; So I guess I too should apologize for my frustration.
Nonetheless my BHR midpipe has always made this noise and until recently hasn't been a problem, but its started to get worse. It used to only this this noise when RPMs fell from about 2-2.5K to idle, but now there is a consistent rattling noise at idle that others have described. If there truly is a problem and after meeting you and talking to you over the years on the phone I know you would want to get to the bottom of this, hence my post.
This midpipe has been fantastic; Craftsmanship is fantastic, the welds are quality... literally no major complaints but the rattling noise needs to be addressed (least on my car). I realize statistically speaking there will be a few with defects that you will have to assess and repair/ send back... Please let me know what you find out as Id like to find a way to fix this problem on mine... Im not worried though Charles and you always take care of me and your loyal BHR customers... Ill give you a text or a call in the next week or so and chat it up with you...
Last edited by WTBRotary!; 04-11-2013 at 10:26 AM.
04-13-2013, 09:42 AM
#2578
Alright well i took off the midpipe yesterday and did some inspecting. The pipe itself has no visible wear, corrosion, or irregular discoloration. No cracks, no holes, nothing. Took a look inside, nothing loose, nothing broken, and the internal welds of the resonator are nice and clean and still rock solid (didn't really take time to look at them when i first got the pipe, but wow, what a stellar job on the internals).
Anyway. the rear donut gasket is still in good condition, no crushing, no fraying, nothing. And the front ring gasket was in good shape.
O2 sensor is in there nice and snug, and torqued to spec.
So I am back to square one in trying to pinpoint the source of the noise. I was VERY VERY meticulous this time around when installing the pipe to make sure that i torqued down the manifold flange to make sure the ring gasket was in place, and that it had a nice flat mating.
Will report back in a few days.
Anyway. the rear donut gasket is still in good condition, no crushing, no fraying, nothing. And the front ring gasket was in good shape.
O2 sensor is in there nice and snug, and torqued to spec.
So I am back to square one in trying to pinpoint the source of the noise. I was VERY VERY meticulous this time around when installing the pipe to make sure that i torqued down the manifold flange to make sure the ring gasket was in place, and that it had a nice flat mating.
Will report back in a few days.
04-14-2013, 09:42 PM
#2579
The verbosity is as exemplary as the customer service. Energy doesn't just disappear. My own experience is that one set of vibrations is exchanged for another and what you're likely hearing is something else vibrating as a result of the exhaust sound being mitigated.
04-15-2013, 11:18 AM
#2580
Just out of curiosity, Charles, is there any particular reason that the manifold side of the midpipe doesn't have a lip for the ring gasket to seat on? I noticed the OEM one had a lip (similar to the one on the midpipe outlet end for the donut gasket) while the BHR one instead has an inset like that of the exhaust header. This is nothing more than curiosity, not an allusion to anything related to my noise 'issue'.
This is more likely my "issue". Basically working my way from front to back on the entire exhaust to locate the source of my noise. Probably a component that i forgot to torque down somewhere.
This is more likely my "issue". Basically working my way from front to back on the entire exhaust to locate the source of my noise. Probably a component that i forgot to torque down somewhere.
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04-15-2013, 01:03 PM
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Not saying that's it's the cabinet, but make sure it IS the midpipe you are hearing.
04-16-2013, 08:24 PM
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your point in life is to just aggravate people isn't it?
quit being such a child...
constantly imposing on other's to stray away from companies or products you personally don't like, gets real tiring.
If there's a market for the product they sell and it works, why is it your need to deteriorate the companies credibility?
Team, I may not know as much about you in any circumstance about cars and their dynamics, but I do know when someone is acting like a little bitch like you constantly do.
Quit making your mission in life to **** people off, there's a certain way to talk to people whether it be da interwebz or not.
go back to blowing transmission's, your e-***** isn't getting any bigger.
your point in life is to just aggravate people isn't it?
quit being such a child...
constantly imposing on other's to stray away from companies or products you personally don't like, gets real tiring.
If there's a market for the product they sell and it works, why is it your need to deteriorate the companies credibility?
Team, I may not know as much about you in any circumstance about cars and their dynamics, but I do know when someone is acting like a little bitch like you constantly do.
Quit making your mission in life to **** people off, there's a certain way to talk to people whether it be da interwebz or not.
go back to blowing transmission's, your e-***** isn't getting any bigger.
04-16-2013, 10:05 PM
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any coils that are weak won't perform regardless, but you have to mention a company to deliberately annoy them. it's how you say things that makes you come off rude.
anyway **** it, this is about a midpipe, not coils. forget it.
04-16-2013, 11:23 PM
#2589
My post explains the not so obvious for people who don't know any better. It has nothing to with undermining anyone and it wasn't me who brought the subject up here. Your replies seem misguided in general, and your first reply violates the forum rules. If you think there's a problem then that's what PM and the Moderators are for.
however, I can always appreciate a good dose of irony.
however, I can always appreciate a good dose of irony.
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04-17-2013, 11:21 AM
#2590
Here is a question for you; why do you always feel the need to interlope in my affairs on threads wherein I have the situation well under control?
I am sure plenty around here know the answer to that one..... you have a man-crush on me. Love you, too.
My wife experiences the same phenomenon with the grade-schoolers she teaches who haven't received much attention from their parents, either.
I am sure plenty around here know the answer to that one..... you have a man-crush on me. Love you, too.
My wife experiences the same phenomenon with the grade-schoolers she teaches who haven't received much attention from their parents, either.
04-17-2013, 10:11 PM
#2593
Why are we even having this discussion? Because you can't let anything I say go without thinking you can some how "address it and make the situation better" or rather just try to pile it on more like the post above. I made a simple innocuous statement that could easily have been ignored rather than making your own childish post about how I'm a child or beating me up for the thread going off subject when I didn't take it there but you all did and still are. You're all your own worst enemies and Ray himself is the biggest instigator of the us vs them/him/her drama on this forum. Its funny how he wants to cuddle up and act friendly with me when it involves doing the same thing to someone else, like when he had his man-divorce from MM. He started with all that same vile hate stuff like I was somehow going to embrace that ridiculous BS and I told him to buzz off because regardless of what anyone else thinks about me, I don't think that way about anyone else. I kept the PMs because I still can't believe anyone is that whacked out about hating another person, just as he has openly shown against me across the forum these last several months. You people don't anything near what you think you do about him, me, or anyone else here. A difference of opinion is only that. Its not the end of the world or somebody out to get you or hate you over or any other such nonsense.
Don't want drama? Then don't dramatically go about creating it
Don't want drama? Then don't dramatically go about creating it
04-18-2013, 09:19 AM
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Charles , you know I am a supporter of your fine poducts and your professionalism.
Perhaps if this group of owners who have brought the BHR midpipe are having problems, maybe you can install a few midpipes on your own test RX-8 or your own RX-8 and see if there is a problem or not. It could be a bad batch from your supplier, it could be the owners themselves installing the midpipe incorrectly, and it could be something totally unrelated, as the stock cat came apart and is stuck in the muffler system and is making this sound.
Before I installed my aftermarket RB exhaust , some chunks of cat that broke off, got stuck in the stock exhaust , and it too made similiar sounds that was presented in the video.
Heat making contact with metal will always create strange sounds too, I was thinking the resonator part may be weaker metal and with the extreme temps that the rotary produces , it could have broken the filament inside. Etc.
Just trying to throw out suggestions as to what it may be. Maybe you can track when people started to notice the sound, like I mentioned earlier a batch of midpipes that was manufactured poorly could of left your store unknowingly.
You might need to put up a DIY vid on your site too , to properly show people how to install the midpipe. Everybody is not seasoned on how to wrench like you and I.
Perhaps if this group of owners who have brought the BHR midpipe are having problems, maybe you can install a few midpipes on your own test RX-8 or your own RX-8 and see if there is a problem or not. It could be a bad batch from your supplier, it could be the owners themselves installing the midpipe incorrectly, and it could be something totally unrelated, as the stock cat came apart and is stuck in the muffler system and is making this sound.
Before I installed my aftermarket RB exhaust , some chunks of cat that broke off, got stuck in the stock exhaust , and it too made similiar sounds that was presented in the video.
Heat making contact with metal will always create strange sounds too, I was thinking the resonator part may be weaker metal and with the extreme temps that the rotary produces , it could have broken the filament inside. Etc.
Just trying to throw out suggestions as to what it may be. Maybe you can track when people started to notice the sound, like I mentioned earlier a batch of midpipes that was manufactured poorly could of left your store unknowingly.
You might need to put up a DIY vid on your site too , to properly show people how to install the midpipe. Everybody is not seasoned on how to wrench like you and I.
Last edited by DailyDriver2k5; 04-18-2013 at 09:22 AM.
04-18-2013, 12:10 PM
#2596
back to the topic at hand... so I haven't had a chance to really sit down and investigate the noise by actually getting underneath it and listening while someone manipulates the throttle, but, looks like my meticulous reinstall didn't do much to remedy the noises. The crummy part is that now that the weather is nice and i have the windows down, i can actually hear the noises echoing off of cars as I approach a redlight or coast down the street towards a stop sign.
Again, for those who are tardy to the party, this is not an indication of a faulty midpipe or anything, it could very well be something else. Just leaving as much detail as possible here in case others look in the future.
Will report back once I get underneath the car and poke around tomorrow/saturday.
Again, for those who are tardy to the party, this is not an indication of a faulty midpipe or anything, it could very well be something else. Just leaving as much detail as possible here in case others look in the future.
Will report back once I get underneath the car and poke around tomorrow/saturday.
04-18-2013, 12:58 PM
#2597
You gonna eat that?
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04-18-2013, 05:29 PM
#2598
So i recently placed some window flashing on my heat shield above my midpipe because i noticed the stock material was missing. No more more noise for me...i believe my noise was in fact due to unrestricted exhaust and resonance changes. You may want to give it a try if you notice that insulating material is missing. Thanks again Charles for a great product. Don't become discouraged! Its hard to find reputable, honest people who make such outstanding products anymore.
Last edited by Warrior777; 04-18-2013 at 05:32 PM.
04-23-2013, 07:49 AM
#2599
Following up again on my previous posts. Looks like the noise I am experiencing could actually be a squeaking where the outlet of the midpipe and the inlet of the exhaust mate. I noticed this weekend that if i get under the car and wiggle the mp-exhaust flange side to side, i get some faint squeaking noises.... i can assume that this noise is further exasperated by a naturally vibrating exhaust system. The fasteners are all torqued down to spec, and I am using the OEM springs for the exhaust (since i am using OEM catback) ... hrmm.
04-23-2013, 09:06 AM
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You gonna eat that?
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Hi,
Old springs?
Maybe springs are fatiqued?
Old springs?
Maybe springs are fatiqued?