oh lord... you really seem to think that there's been some discovery in exhaust flow dynamics that will produce magical numbers from an extra foot and half of tubing (or whatever it may be) can create unseen figures before, don't you. The numbers can be suspect from Racing Beat and the independent magazine or even the sacred BHR company from Charles - but take a well designed free flowing 3" exhaust system like Racing Beat, tune it properly and pin it up again BHR's long tube system, tune it, and then give me all this talk.

It won't happen though. Comparing directly one company's results to another's is extremely rare and we won't ever see it. My point in all of this is, many people aren't even aware of the gains existing setups can make and when you take a well designed system and immediately compare it to something that has slightly longer tubes, you won't get MASSIVE gains. Period. If you're expecting 10+hp on top of the likes of Racing Beat's offer, you probably don't fully understand how exhaust flow dynamics work.

To the guy who says simply spending money makes you happy... right on! Ignorance is bliss, ain't it?


With all of that said, I think the only way to prove me right/wrong, is for Charles to send this "internet troll" an engineering sample to me and I'll take off my Racing Beat system and swap in his offer and I'll dyno it and tune it properly. Probably the best way to shut me up, or even better yet, turn me into a BHR believer... or it could backfire and prove me right, either way though!

 

Please keep your promise from many posts ago.
Don't go away mad, just go away.

 

Technically now that the product is gold (production ready) one would assume (assuming that BHR follows the typical lifecycle of production) that there are no more engineering samples.

That being said, you will just have ot purchase one for your testing.

We will patiently await your results

 

Well, higher than 12:1 compression ratios on pump gas was thought to be impossible for a long time. I guess Mazda didn't make a magical discovery that resulted in being able to hit 14:1, and are working on 18:1.

Advancements in technology DO happen you know...

 

Perhaps Mr. Stealth and Mr. "I owned 7 rotary powered cars" should join forces...

 

Hi Charles, what type of exhaust is being used in conjunction with the testing?
I assume the more free flowing the exhaust, the louder it will be.
Given that noise levels are not a priority with track use, how do you think trying to reduce the loudness factor for street use would affect any potential gains?
Would the OEM muffler even be compatible?
Thanks.

 

My only issue is, from what I understand, you can't use a cat with this header. I ran catless for a year but after having a baby that I sometimes bring in the car I didn't want to subject her to the catless fumes. Also, the Ministry of Transportation is known to occasionally sit outside tracks and pull people over for inspections.

People bitch about the price but just about anything of quality that also improves performance by a decent margin is worth the premium price.
I don't put crappy products on my car. A local member in Toronto convinced me to go with the TurboXS header saying they make good products. What a piece of ****. Both his an mine cracked within a few months and when installing it there is a weld blocking one of the bolt holes for the air pump, but they supply two equal length bolts. I should have just gone with my gut and bought the RB header for the extra $300. Lesson learned.

 

From your previous outburst it would seem you count me in with those . It flatters me to think that you think I have an agenda . I really didn't .
However, if you think you can talk like that to not only a customer , but someone who has actively supported your products for years, then eventually, you will become the victim of your own paranoia .

 

I don't presume to speak for him, but from reading on this forum for a couple of years, I think he's talking about others who have had issues with him.

 

Lots of ppl don't realized there are things out there , just because they never talk about it in public/sells it to the public, its gotta be fake, doesn't exist, and will never be. blah.

Charles, no matter what you do, haters always just gonna hate, no need to get **** over some haters.

 

calm down folks. We here in the RX8 community are very lucky to have folks like Charles who put in the efforts and spend the development time and money to come up with truly top quality products. I have used products from just about every RX vendor on my RXs over the past 41 years and I honestly can say I have bought some crap items while trying to save money, and also bought some quality items from the best reputable builders. In the long run you will save money, time and aggravation buying from proven vendors that make the effort to properly test their products before marketing "The next greatest thing" that has been rushed to market.

Charles' record , rep and products stand for themselves. No need to get into any pissing match here.

 

I've gotta point out that this is pretty much a word-for-word transcript of the responses from anyone on the Internet talking ****.

Your comment was veiled but it was flippant and undermined his integrity. And Charles caught you with your pants down. Grow up and accept that you were making assumptions and being a dick in the process.

 

^^ Agreed, Charles has brought so much information and products to this forum, before and up to now which has been almost three years on this forum. Keep it up Charles!

 

It has been a few months since I posted on this thread.

The level of internet drama over this product is both frustrating and entertaining

When we tested the BHR long tube header in my car earlier this year, the hp gains were real and significant. And I am not just talking about a few ponies The guys at the performance shop were quite impressed with the product design and results - which we took as a big compliment - considering they were as critical/objective as they could be. I believe Charles R. Hill has made a few more changes to the design ever since.

As always, "haters gonna hate." I realize some of the naysayers haven't had the opportunity I had to test the long tube header. So I understand the skepticism. What I cannot understand is the way some individuals choose to express their views. Perhaps a slightly better attitude would have helped them receive a prototype for testing When the product reaches consumers, let the community speak from experience.

I am grateful for the opportunity I had to test the header in my car and be part of development of another great product from BHR.

 

What type of exhaust did you use, and how loud was it would you say?
Louder than normal, but tolerable;
Annoy the neighbors loud;
Or,
Call the cops stoopid loud?
Thanks.

 

It was the stock exhaust.

It was louder than normal but tolerable. But everybody has a different taste when it comes to exhaust tones, so I guess it is all subjective.

It was kind of hard to fully evaluate the exhaust tone because of the echo in the dyno room. I didn't get to drive the car on the road to be able to tell how loud it might going around town.

 

Ok, thanks.

 

From what I read from Charles' email last night there is hope for those of us with an existing 3" mid-pipe. I am going to assume that means it will mate up nicely to my existing BHR mid-pipe. If so, he might have another customer on hand.... Also, the gains look awesome.

 

yep, got the email too, gains look nice! now just to wait on a price!

 

I agree, looks like I'll be ditching my turboxs header and upgrading to the BHR header to mate to my BHR midpipe come spring.

 

Are us existing mid-pipe owners going to experience the same gains? Or will the flow characteristics change enough with an extra two flanges?

 

 

I'm not sure the header would be different, maybe the cost of the header package includes the midpipe, and the discount would be for the fact that those of us with existing midpipes could choose to modify or fabricate our own?

 

got email too

I am aiming for without midpipe, stock 2.5 option.

 

Ok, thanks for clarifying, that's what I thought.