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Old 10-07-2015 | 12:03 AM
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Can I have my cake and eat it too?

***EDIT: My initial question is no longer the topic of discussion, please scroll through to the bottom. Thanks! And thank you, everyone for putting up with my poorly clarified and dead horse of a topic in the first place!***

(I hope I used that phrase correctly)

First off, Mods, please lock this immediately if it is a re post. I hate re posts as much as anyone. I hunted the forums and the internet of things a bit and still feel I would like to ask the question (but again, please lock if you feel it necessary).

I would like the (minimal) hp gains that come with eliminating the cat but cannot stand the sound of a chainsaw. I love love love the rotary whirrrrr but from what I've been sampling on YouTube and reading online, the exhaust from the rotary is absolutely OBNOXIOUS without.

Would a better option be to go with a high flow cat? Will I still see (again, I understand it would be minimal) gains? I have no plans on tuning at this point. I just want something nice that has a little added benefit other than looks and it seems like going just cat back, I would only be doing it for looks/sound..


Thanks! I am new to the rotary world and am doing my best to educate myself as I go!

Justin-

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Old 10-07-2015 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by gwailo
(I hope I used that phrase correctly)

First off, Mods, please lock this immediately if it is a re post. I hate re posts as much as anyone. I hunted the forums and the internet of things a bit and still feel I would like to ask the question (but again, please lock if you feel it necessary).

Can I MINIMIZE the noise increase that comes with running a catless exhaust system?

I would like the (minimal) hp gains that come with eliminating the cat but cannot stand the sound of a chainsaw. I love love love the rotary whirrrrr but from what I've been sampling on YouTube and reading online, the exhaust from the rotary is absolutely OBNOXIOUS without.

Would a better option be to go with a high flow cat? Will I still see (again, I understand it would be minimal) gains? I have no plans on tuning at this point. I just want something nice that has a little added benefit other than looks and it seems like going just cat back, I would only be doing it for looks/sound..


Thanks! I am new to the rotary world and am doing my best to educate myself as I go!

Justin-
Have you heard the BHR resonated midpipe with stock exhaust?
It's only moderately louder than stock with no raspiness.
Nice tone all the way to WOT.
It's probably the preferred choice of those who don't like loud exhausts.
I have it and like it a lot.
Old 10-07-2015 | 10:11 AM
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Thanks BC, I will do some more sampling. It seems like everyone has the preference on exhaust set ups so me asking which to recommend is unnecessary but is there any over the other that might be known for being quieter than most of the options (or at the very least, a bit deeper and less raspy/civic-y) at wot?

I will keep sampling what I can in the mean time

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Old 10-07-2015 | 12:05 PM
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So are you removing the cat but leaving the stock catback? If so you are not going to see a temendous amount of noise increase anyways....

And +1 on the BHR midpipe.... I've had mine for about 5 years and it is perfect. Makes the Rotary sound exactly like a rotary should.
Old 10-08-2015 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RotaryMachineRx
So are you removing the cat but leaving the stock catback? If so you are not going to see a temendous amount of noise increase anyways....

And +1 on the BHR midpipe.... I've had mine for about 5 years and it is perfect. Makes the Rotary sound exactly like a rotary should.
So... I'm pretty much in love with the Tanabe Ultra Medalion..which is too bad...unless someone has one they want to sell me?

I sampled the YouTube vid from Tanabe-USA's website and the Medalion Touring sure looks nice (might stick out a bit farther than I'd prefer but I would probably get used to it quickly..). The sound clip was with an unspecified high flow cat. Is it safe to assume the BHR resonated midpipe would give off a similar tone?

Anyone have an overall opinion on this as a combo? (BHR+Tanabe)

Damn I really am digging the Ultra though..

-Justin

Ps. I am beyond grateful for these forums in general. I am learning so much by searching. I've already done a few minor DIY fixes (center vent replacement/shift boot replacement and parking brake handle replacement) just with the quality of information I have found on here (or at least linked from here) just by searching, which is why I feel bad having even created this thread but I really appreciate everyone's input!

This is a great community and as a COMPLETE 8 newbie, I hope to learn a lot during my stay
Old 10-08-2015 | 03:56 PM
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You can also try the Racing beat dual resonated MP. I've heard several on different catbacks on the 8 and they all sound great with no rasp. Alternatively you can make your own and try Vibrant ultra quiet resonators.

I personally haven't heard that resonator in the 8 but I know someone with a ported single turbo FD3S and the Vibrant resonator made a big difference in toning down the exhaust. I might eventually weld in an ultra quiet on my Agency power midpipe to tone it down a bit.
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One thing about the BHR midpipe that many overlook:

It keeps almost the same tone as the stock cat. Most midpipes, regardless of the type, will make a tone change in addition to a volume change. The BHR is only faintly deeper, but otherwise it preserves the same tone from the header + muffler combination that the stock cat has. Faintly deeper and just a bit louder. That's it. None of the negatives of other midpipes, and holds the sound "forever". Mine sounded the same at 55,000 miles on it as it did when I first installed it.
Old 10-08-2015 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by RIWWP
One thing about the BHR midpipe that many overlook:

It keeps almost the same tone as the stock cat. Most midpipes, regardless of the type, will make a tone change in addition to a volume change. The BHR is only faintly deeper, but otherwise it preserves the same tone from the header + muffler combination that the stock cat has. Faintly deeper and just a bit louder. That's it. None of the negatives of other midpipes, and holds the sound "forever". Mine sounded the same at 55,000 miles on it as it did when I first installed it.
this is very good to hear and very much appreciated feedback! I'm pretty much into the idea of the BHR mid.

Has anyone paired this with a medalion touring cat back?

Thanks again, everyone

Justin-
Old 10-08-2015 | 10:37 PM
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keep in mind that all resonators will eventually burn out. Even my BHR mid pipe is at that point after about 45k miles. yours must be special, RIWWP.
Old 10-09-2015 | 08:57 AM
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this subject has already been beaten into the ground (yes, it's a repost), the usual hyped up recommendations get made, noobie sucks it all up with a straw and a big smile, rinse and repeat ...

do yourself a favor by searching, reading, and ultimately educating yourself on the options

That takes time though, if you want the quick answer served on a silver platter we don't charge extra for the straw ...
Old 10-09-2015 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ShellDude
keep in mind that all resonators will eventually burn out. Even my BHR mid pipe is at that point after about 45k miles. yours must be special, RIWWP.
Thanks for you're input as well! I know everyone has different experiences with the same products.

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...do yourself a favor by searching, reading, and ultimately educating yourself on the options...
Doing my best sir, but part of educating myself is asking questions (I am an educator and this is a very integral part of learning). Just be thankful I'm not asking questions like "how much hp+ will I get with a cat back alone?"

I'm trying to only ask questions that I have not found answers for by searching. There are so many threads in general on this forum that I am bound to miss something.

My current and only question has to do with anyone's experience with a Tanabe Medalion Touring catback paired with a BHR resonated midpipe. Anyone, feel free to hand my *** to me with a link to any threads or posts I may have missed in my failed attempt at searching. I would honestly be nothing but grateful. I will continue to search as well.

Thanks everyone! ...uh.. I mean

Justin-
Old 10-09-2015 | 05:09 PM
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These are the threads on that catback (note the search method I used, it's hugfely useful if you didn't know it already) https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...ouring+catback

The rarer any 1 exhaust part is, the less likely you will find a direct comparison that you are looking for on it. Even more than that, at best you will probably get a poor quality audio youtube clip, and at worst just a bunch of text that might convey what the other owner is experiencing, who has different ears than you do.

Exhaust comparisons are always in demand, because the answers never really answer the questions. It's expensive, but "try it and see" is really the only solution to that.
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Originally Posted by gwailo
Thanks for you're input as well! I know everyone has different experiences with the same products.



Doing my best sir, but part of educating myself is asking questions (I am an educator and this is a very integral part of learning). Just be thankful I'm not asking questions like "how much hp+ will I get with a cat back alone?"

I'm trying to only ask questions that I have not found answers for by searching. There are so many threads in general on this forum that I am bound to miss something.

My current and only question has to do with anyone's experience with a Tanabe Medalion Touring catback paired with a BHR resonated midpipe. Anyone, feel free to hand my *** to me with a link to any threads or posts I may have missed in my failed attempt at searching. I would honestly be nothing but grateful. I will continue to search as well.

Thanks everyone! ...uh.. I mean

Justin-
Think nothing of it Justin.
I understand that it is easier to ask a direct question that may have been answered many times before, even after searching through possibly dozens of threads, and hundreds of sometimes conflicted, opinionated posts.
I have been through it also. It can be daunting.
My one suggestion for any future querys, however, would be to find a related thread to bump, instead of starting a new redundant thread, without hijacking a member's current thread whose issue is unresolved.
Also, some of us are receptive to PMs, as long as they don't become intrusive.
Old 10-09-2015 | 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by RIWWP
These are the threads on that catback (note the search method I used, it's hugfely useful if you didn't know it already) https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...ouring+catback
Are you referring to adding "site:[relavant website]" before searching key words? If so, that is tremendously helpful and I didn't know I could do that. Thank you!

The rarer any 1 exhaust part is, the less likely you will find a direct comparison that you are looking for on it. Even more than that, at best you will probably get a poor quality audio youtube clip, and at worst just a bunch of text that might convey what the other owner is experiencing, who has different ears than you do.

Exhaust comparisons are always in demand, because the answers never really answer the questions. It's expensive, but "try it and see" is really the only solution to that.
Very true (as I am finding out). From what I've gathered so far, it seems the Tanabe exhaust system is fine quality wise, but may be being passed up in favor of more aggressive, louder exhaust setups. This might be beneficial to me as I am looking for kind of the opposite. I feel the try it and see method is probably going to be it after some more research (I think I've watched every single sound clip on YouTube over the past week! Not really but it sure feels like it! Lol).

I went with my gut when I pulled the trigger on the setup in the Supra and absolutely love it. I'm sure whatever I choose for the 8 will work for me. And if it doesn't, I guess it's not the end of the world and I can always go back to stock or try out different combos with the parts I have. It'll be...fun. Lol

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My one suggestion for any future querys, however, would be to find a related thread to bump, instead of starting a new redundant thread, without hijacking a member's current thread whose issue is unresolved.
Also, some of us are receptive to PMs, as long as they don't become intrusive.
Thank you for this. I will consider thread revivals in the future if I find something I can relate to.

You guys are all great! One of the more constructively helpful sites I've visited. ... I, uh...swear this is not happening on purpose!

Justin-

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Old 10-10-2015 | 12:42 PM
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Can I have my cake and eat it too?

Check out tyrannical's page on youtube. He has had quite a few combos of exhaust set ups. Not the one you're referring, but it can give you an idea.
Obviously sound being translated through Internet only confirms so much...
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