Cant Decide...
03-28-2010 | 03:49 PM
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Cant Decide...
Hey guys i have about $650 to spend on the car right now and I am kind of torn. Ive been wanted to get the ZEX nitrous system for a while and run a 50 shot. I have also been looking at the COBB accessport tuner and getting a custom tune obviously. Which would be more bang for the buck? or what is just an better over all mod?
**side note, has anyone dyno'd after the tune? if so what power gains? Thanks guys.
**side note, has anyone dyno'd after the tune? if so what power gains? Thanks guys.
03-28-2010 | 04:19 PM
#3
If you're doing a nitrous install, you're going to need to tune for it. What better way than to do it with the COBB AP! Buy it from Mazdamaniac's website and get his tuning service. You'll definitely want to tune first. When it comes to things like that you definitely want to start from the ground up. Start with plugs, wires, ignition coils (BlackHaloRacing makes a very good ignition kit), compression test, a good tune, and then consider your options. 
If you're looking for details on the COBB AP, you're only a search away from many threads on it.
What year/model are you working with, and mileage?
If you're looking for details on the COBB AP, you're only a search away from many threads on it.
What year/model are you working with, and mileage?
03-29-2010 | 01:06 AM
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Do your homework, and it will more than likely save you an engine in the long run.
03-29-2010 | 07:14 AM
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get the cobb AP
it will give you a quick 5 or 6 HP now with the supplied map; it wont run out like the nos, and you will need it when you go turbo or start adding other mods getting ready for the turbo.
as far as turbos go, there are several available that are talked about here. browse away...
if you want advice ask mazdamaniac/jeff (i think you have to email not send personal messages). he can guide you on turbo builds and on the cobb AP as well.
it will give you a quick 5 or 6 HP now with the supplied map; it wont run out like the nos, and you will need it when you go turbo or start adding other mods getting ready for the turbo.
as far as turbos go, there are several available that are talked about here. browse away...
if you want advice ask mazdamaniac/jeff (i think you have to email not send personal messages). he can guide you on turbo builds and on the cobb AP as well.
03-29-2010 | 08:04 AM
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Definitely start with the CobbAP and a MM tune. You'll be pleasantly surprised how much add'l zoom-zoom you can wring out of a NA '8 at a very cost effective price point.
A freshly maintained end-to-end ignition system is also a plus. At least install a new set of 'plugs.
A freshly maintained end-to-end ignition system is also a plus. At least install a new set of 'plugs.
03-29-2010 | 08:09 AM
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Definitely start with the CobbAP and a MM tune. You'll be pleasantly surprised how much add'l zoom-zoom you can wring out of a NA '8 at a very cost effective price point.
A freshly maintained end-to-end ignition system is also a plus. At least install a new set of 'plugs.
A freshly maintained end-to-end ignition system is also a plus. At least install a new set of 'plugs.
03-29-2010 | 10:33 PM
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Hey guys so ive been thinking about it and i decided to save up a little more and get the COBB with the tune from MM and also get the full ignition kit from BHR. I figure that is a pretty good base if i wanted to do anything else eventually.
03-30-2010 | 03:28 AM
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The COBB AP from Mazdamaniac and the BHR Ignition kit is a lot like Samuel Adams: Always a good decision.
+1 to you.
Just make sure that you do a lot of reseach before attempting any kind of forced induction application.
+1 to you.
Just make sure that you do a lot of reseach before attempting any kind of forced induction application.
03-30-2010 | 03:36 AM
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-1000000 on saying you'll get 5 or 6 HP with the supplied map. the stock AP map is crap and shouldn't be used by anyone for anything other then looking at in the racetuner software.
03-30-2010 | 04:22 AM
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1) Not true. The Zex nitrous system will work just fine with an otherwise "untuned" RX-8. Having the AP and a nice calibration from MM helps get a little more from the shot but the AP is not necessary. Further, the AP cannot be calibrated such that you can use a larger shot. Not reliably anyway, as that is not what it was intended for. There may be an isolated case or two where it seems a bigger shot was achieveable but I would place bets if we did a comparison on a dyno.
2) Before installing ANY power-adder we at BHR encourage others to perform a compression test in the event something becomes questionable.
Additionally, it doesn't really matter which one you get first but I tend to suggest that people get the coils first, THEN the AP. This is because I want to make my money before that *****, MazdaManiac makes his.
Seriously though; if you know you will be getting both products within a short period of time, get the coils first. That way, MM can provide you with new coil dwell settings on your first calibration and you will be all set for whatever power-adder you decide on after that.
Most people get nitrous simply as a "gateway" power-adder until they can afford some sort of F/I system.
2) Before installing ANY power-adder we at BHR encourage others to perform a compression test in the event something becomes questionable.
Additionally, it doesn't really matter which one you get first but I tend to suggest that people get the coils first, THEN the AP. This is because I want to make my money before that *****, MazdaManiac makes his.
Seriously though; if you know you will be getting both products within a short period of time, get the coils first. That way, MM can provide you with new coil dwell settings on your first calibration and you will be all set for whatever power-adder you decide on after that.Most people get nitrous simply as a "gateway" power-adder until they can afford some sort of F/I system.
03-30-2010 | 04:31 AM
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..and also that I'd know that a base map would work with nitrous! I remember you telling me that now. 
It's all about fuel.
Either way, what BlackHaloRacing does for the rotary community goes way beyond customer service, more like family.
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03-30-2010 | 04:54 AM
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Much better!
(I gotta stay away from those emoticons, they're dangerous.)
Well for me personally, it really all seems to boil down rather simply, the goal of it all being able to get more fuel into the engine and to have that fuel burn effectively. You can pump more fuel all you want, but the fuel isn't going burn effectively unless it has the appropriate amount of oxygen to be consumed in the process.
I could digress further, but I don't want to reach the point of sounding ignorant just yet. I'm still doing a lot of research. You set me up with a great foundation to build on.
(I gotta stay away from those emoticons, they're dangerous.)
Well for me personally, it really all seems to boil down rather simply, the goal of it all being able to get more fuel into the engine and to have that fuel burn effectively. You can pump more fuel all you want, but the fuel isn't going burn effectively unless it has the appropriate amount of oxygen to be consumed in the process.
I could digress further, but I don't want to reach the point of sounding ignorant just yet. I'm still doing a lot of research. You set me up with a great foundation to build on.
03-30-2010 | 07:34 AM
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You have chosen... Wisely. 
03-30-2010 | 03:07 PM
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^ Remedial reading: "Additionally, it doesn't really matter which one you get first but I tend to suggest that people get the coils first, THEN the AP. ... if you know you will be getting both products within a short period of time, get the coils first. That way, MM can provide you with new coil dwell settings on your first calibration and you will be all set for whatever power-adder you decide on after that." - CRH @ BHR
So, to succinctly answer your question - Yes
So, to succinctly answer your question - Yes
03-30-2010 | 05:06 PM
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the accessport is a device to facilitate reflashing your car with another calibration.
just having an accessport won't magically make you gain "5-6 hp".
you have to have a tune made for your car. and every car is different, so you won't know how much you'll gain until the tune is done and you have a before and after dyno.
you should buy the accessport for all the other reasons - increased omp output, lower fan on temps etc., and with that and a good tune you may gain some ponies.
just having an accessport won't magically make you gain "5-6 hp".
you have to have a tune made for your car. and every car is different, so you won't know how much you'll gain until the tune is done and you have a before and after dyno.
you should buy the accessport for all the other reasons - increased omp output, lower fan on temps etc., and with that and a good tune you may gain some ponies.
03-30-2010 | 06:18 PM
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Then you would have to send some datalogs etc, wait for the maps and use it.
You will see the benefits of a custom tune but their latitude varies from car to car and from the other mods that you have. Nothing massive though but with that budget there isn't much else to do
You will see the benefits of a custom tune but their latitude varies from car to car and from the other mods that you have. Nothing massive though but with that budget there isn't much else to do