CanZoomer Stage 1 PCM Mod - Info/Questions/Results
12-13-2003 | 01:18 PM
#101
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From: Beyond that there swamp.
Secondly, thats not a turtle. It's a bug and I dont kidnap bugs. What kinda savage do you think I am?
Firstly, I am capable of the MOST fiendish acts imaginable. Why, I've even been known to put sticky tape on cats paws, and feed dogs huge dollops of peanut butter.
Yes, it will all be mine one day....
Firstly, I am capable of the MOST fiendish acts imaginable. Why, I've even been known to put sticky tape on cats paws, and feed dogs huge dollops of peanut butter.
Yes, it will all be mine one day....
12-13-2003 | 02:44 PM
#104
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From: Edmonton, Alberta
Originally posted by pr0ber
I can't remember... does the stage 1 chip require Premium fuel or not??
I can't remember... does the stage 1 chip require Premium fuel or not??
We STRONGLY Recommend mid grade or better ( 89 octane)
It would run on 87, but I do NOT suggest doing that.
With this in place it WOULD definitely cost you some performance if you ran low test.
12-14-2003 | 06:07 AM
#105
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Re: HAPPY-HAPPY-JOY-JOY!
Originally posted by StealthTL
I am happy - my two weeks with "the mod" installed, have been the icing on my RX-8 cake!
(It may take plastic surgery to get this stupid grin off my face!)
Well, obviously, driving 'the most powerful Renesis in North America' will do that to a guy!
Thanks again 'Zoomer!
He is, how can I put this diplomatically, "a bit of a perfectionist....."
As late as last night, we were out doing more full throttle runs with yet another black box, with an even more refined version of his tuning parameters. It seemed to go well, though I didn't see much, my job was to plant the throttle and hang on!
He has already been through the process with his own '8, on the street and the dyno, and was just making sure the same box would give repeatable results on a cat-back car.
But I think, finally, Maurice is happy! The computers, sensors, readouts and their power supplies are out of my passenger seat, and all the data are now safely in his laptop. I am told that dyno plots of the finished project will be posted soon, I'm guessing next week.
S
I am happy - my two weeks with "the mod" installed, have been the icing on my RX-8 cake!
(It may take plastic surgery to get this stupid grin off my face!)
Well, obviously, driving 'the most powerful Renesis in North America' will do that to a guy!
Thanks again 'Zoomer!
He is, how can I put this diplomatically, "a bit of a perfectionist....."
As late as last night, we were out doing more full throttle runs with yet another black box, with an even more refined version of his tuning parameters. It seemed to go well, though I didn't see much, my job was to plant the throttle and hang on!
He has already been through the process with his own '8, on the street and the dyno, and was just making sure the same box would give repeatable results on a cat-back car.
But I think, finally, Maurice is happy! The computers, sensors, readouts and their power supplies are out of my passenger seat, and all the data are now safely in his laptop. I am told that dyno plots of the finished project will be posted soon, I'm guessing next week.
S
Awesome!
12-15-2003 | 11:59 AM
#106
F125er/Future RX-8er
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From: WI, USA
I've got to say, I'm not a "mod" guy, unless it involves my shifter kart.
But this one has me intrigued!
All I really thought the 8 was missing was some "hit" to its power band, so this would fit the bill nicely!
It may have to be mod #2 after I get my 8! (mod #1 is the MP3 head)
But this one has me intrigued!
All I really thought the 8 was missing was some "hit" to its power band, so this would fit the bill nicely!
It may have to be mod #2 after I get my 8! (mod #1 is the MP3 head)
12-16-2003 | 10:37 PM
#107
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From: Alberta, Canada
Another Review of Canzoomer's Stage 1 Mod
Today I was fortunate enough to go for a ride in StealhTL's RX-8, in case you weren't aware he is testing the Stage1 ECU Kit for canzoomer and all I can say is WOW!
We did several 2nd and 3rd gear runs to redline on the highway and I can honestly say there is a huge difference in power over stock. The power comes on nice and strong up to 5k rpm where all of a sudden it feels like a turbo kicks in, you can really feel it push you back into your seat, and it continues this boost of power right to redline nice and smooth without any stumbles. I was expecting a noticeable difference but I didn't think it would be as big a change as it was, I was really shocked, I'm sure I had a really stupid grin on my face.
What really surprised me was that when we hit 5k rpm and the power came on the rear end actually broke loose, I never expected that in a full throttle run from 2k rpm. Granted it is winter here and the cold pavement contributed to this but it was still really surprising.
All in all I can say I was extremely impressed, my RX-8 should arrive any day now and I'm definately getting the stage 1 kit as soon as possible.
Thanks again to Ray for taking me for a rip in his car, I really appreciate it, it definately sold me on the Stage1 Mod and thanks to Canzoomer for all his hard work. I can't wait to see the dyno sheets he has coming, I know everyone will be pleasantly surprised.
We did several 2nd and 3rd gear runs to redline on the highway and I can honestly say there is a huge difference in power over stock. The power comes on nice and strong up to 5k rpm where all of a sudden it feels like a turbo kicks in, you can really feel it push you back into your seat, and it continues this boost of power right to redline nice and smooth without any stumbles. I was expecting a noticeable difference but I didn't think it would be as big a change as it was, I was really shocked, I'm sure I had a really stupid grin on my face.
What really surprised me was that when we hit 5k rpm and the power came on the rear end actually broke loose, I never expected that in a full throttle run from 2k rpm. Granted it is winter here and the cold pavement contributed to this but it was still really surprising.
All in all I can say I was extremely impressed, my RX-8 should arrive any day now and I'm definately getting the stage 1 kit as soon as possible.
Thanks again to Ray for taking me for a rip in his car, I really appreciate it, it definately sold me on the Stage1 Mod and thanks to Canzoomer for all his hard work. I can't wait to see the dyno sheets he has coming, I know everyone will be pleasantly surprised.
12-16-2003 | 11:07 PM
#109
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From: WI, USA
Re: Another Review of Canzoomer's Stage 1 Mod
Originally posted by Jag
What really surprised me was that when we hit 5k rpm and the power came on the rear end actually broke loose, I never expected that in a full throttle run from 2k rpm. Granted it is winter here and the cold pavement contributed to this but it was still really surprising.
What really surprised me was that when we hit 5k rpm and the power came on the rear end actually broke loose, I never expected that in a full throttle run from 2k rpm. Granted it is winter here and the cold pavement contributed to this but it was still really surprising.
12-16-2003 | 11:17 PM
#110
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From: Alberta, Canada
I think that was during a 2nd gear run. We were just cruising at 2k rpm and then floored it, the power comes on nice and smooth but right at 5k when it really kicks in the rear wheels broke loose, didn't expect it at all.
12-16-2003 | 11:37 PM
#111
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From: Mobile, AL
Really, who cares what the dyno reads. If i had the mod on my 8 and it dyno'd only 10hp more, but felt like 50hp to me, that's all that really matters.
so far, the 3 people that have had a chance to experience this mod first hand said nothing but incredible things, I cna't imagine any less. I can only assume they have driven other sports cars, unlike me, if if this is what they say I'll tend to believe them.
If the mod isn't what I expected, then I'll deal with it at that time. In any case, you can run numbers all day long, I think it comes down to preference and feel.
I've mentioned in other threads that had a Stealth twin turbo, more hp than the 8 and all wheel drive, but just doesn't compare to the 8 on any level as far as I'm concerned.
so when you get your mod and try it out and say to yourself, "Was this really worth it?" and you respond to yourself, "F*ck yeah!" with a big turd munching grin, then no amount of dyno #'s should dissuade you otherwise.
IMO
so far, the 3 people that have had a chance to experience this mod first hand said nothing but incredible things, I cna't imagine any less. I can only assume they have driven other sports cars, unlike me, if if this is what they say I'll tend to believe them.
If the mod isn't what I expected, then I'll deal with it at that time. In any case, you can run numbers all day long, I think it comes down to preference and feel.
I've mentioned in other threads that had a Stealth twin turbo, more hp than the 8 and all wheel drive, but just doesn't compare to the 8 on any level as far as I'm concerned.
so when you get your mod and try it out and say to yourself, "Was this really worth it?" and you respond to yourself, "F*ck yeah!" with a big turd munching grin, then no amount of dyno #'s should dissuade you otherwise.
IMO
12-16-2003 | 11:42 PM
#112
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From: WI, USA
Originally posted by oosik
Really, who cares what the dyno reads. If i had the mod on my 8 and it dyno'd only 10hp more, but felt like 50hp to me, that's all that really matters.
IMO
Really, who cares what the dyno reads. If i had the mod on my 8 and it dyno'd only 10hp more, but felt like 50hp to me, that's all that really matters.
IMO
I'm totally interested.
Ahem, but I'll have to wait until I get my car in spring.
12-16-2003 | 11:49 PM
#113
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From: Alberta, Canada
oosik, I agree with you for the most part. Really, as long as you're happy it doesn't matter what the dyno says.
I think the dyno sheets are important because this isn't exactly a cheap mod although I think it's a great value for what you get. I was fortunate enough to test the stage 1 kit firsthand before buying so really to me a dyno sheet would only serve my curiosity, I'm purchasing the kit regardless of what the dyno ends up showing.
Unfortunately not everyone will be able to experience this before ordering one, if I was one of these people I would want some proof that canzoomer's product works since $500 is a bit more than I'd like to risk without being sure of considerable gains, this is where the dyno sheets come in. I think the majority of people are convinced of the effectiveness of the stage1 kit, but just want some more info on how much power it actually makes before parting with their cash.
The one thing I don't think the dyno sheet will show is how smooth the power comes on with the stage1 kit. The nice smooth powerband without any stumbles and the big punch at 5k rpm that you feel is really what sold me more than what any dyno chart will say.
I think the dyno sheets are important because this isn't exactly a cheap mod although I think it's a great value for what you get. I was fortunate enough to test the stage 1 kit firsthand before buying so really to me a dyno sheet would only serve my curiosity, I'm purchasing the kit regardless of what the dyno ends up showing.
Unfortunately not everyone will be able to experience this before ordering one, if I was one of these people I would want some proof that canzoomer's product works since $500 is a bit more than I'd like to risk without being sure of considerable gains, this is where the dyno sheets come in. I think the majority of people are convinced of the effectiveness of the stage1 kit, but just want some more info on how much power it actually makes before parting with their cash.
The one thing I don't think the dyno sheet will show is how smooth the power comes on with the stage1 kit. The nice smooth powerband without any stumbles and the big punch at 5k rpm that you feel is really what sold me more than what any dyno chart will say.
12-17-2003 | 02:40 AM
#114
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From: CA
One of the things that I treasure about the 8 is its silky smooth acceleration. From all the accounts who rode with Canzoomer's Stage 1, it sounded like there is a drastic change in the rate of acceleration. Can someone further clarify/describe this? Don't get me wrong, I would love the added power. In fact, I am already on Canzoomer's waiting list for the Stage 1. I just wanted to have a better feel of what I'll be getting. :D Can't wait for my Stage 1 to arrive.
12-17-2003 | 07:52 AM
#115
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From: Ile Perrot (Canada) QC.
I've been following that stage 1 mod and I would be interested but I'm a dummy with car mechanic, I know the "stage 1" cost is $700 cdn, but what about the installation? I leave in Montreal.
keep the excellent work guy's.
Regards,
Simon
keep the excellent work guy's.
Regards,
Simon
12-17-2003 | 09:37 AM
#116
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Very simple. Disconnect battery. Open top of ECU cover (passenger side of engine compartment, at the front). Unplug the ECU connector, plug the mod into where the ECU used to be plugged in, then plug the ECU into the mod. Put ECU cover back on, reconnect battery. That's it.
12-17-2003 | 11:22 AM
#117
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What does the accelleration feel like with the stage 1 mod? Stock, it's hard to notice there are any "G" forces pushing you back into the seat. Smooth un-noticable accelleration until you notice you are travelling at supra-legal speeds. With the mod. you notice the accelleration. It pushes you back into the seat. Still not violently, still smooth, just insistant. Oh, and you reach surpra-legal speeds much more quickly.
12-18-2003 | 01:39 PM
#121
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Has anyone heard how production is going? I was under the impression that orders would be backed up for "awhile" and have not heard or ....missed an update here. I'm very excited and am a strong believer in "chipping" anyways...
12-18-2003 | 05:59 PM
#122
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Originally posted by SDFLY
Has anyone heard how production is going? I was under the impression that orders would be backed up for "awhile" and have not heard or ....missed an update here. I'm very excited and am a strong believer in "chipping" anyways...
Has anyone heard how production is going? I was under the impression that orders would be backed up for "awhile" and have not heard or ....missed an update here. I'm very excited and am a strong believer in "chipping" anyways...
12-18-2003 | 07:50 PM
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Where are the dyno/gtech sheets? I think if you have the
time to design build and test this mod then you have had time
post some concrete results. Maybe everyone should just
buy a Tornado for your intake and while your at it get a
radar jammer(the ones that are nothing but an led light
inside a plastic shell) to keep from getting all those speeding
tickets with your new rocket. If it sounds to good to be
true..........
time to design build and test this mod then you have had time
post some concrete results. Maybe everyone should just
buy a Tornado for your intake and while your at it get a
radar jammer(the ones that are nothing but an led light
inside a plastic shell) to keep from getting all those speeding
tickets with your new rocket. If it sounds to good to be
true..........
12-18-2003 | 08:02 PM
#124
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From: SF Bay Area
Originally posted by hogcar
Where are the dyno/gtech sheets? I think if you have the
time to design build and test this mod then you have had time
post some concrete results. Maybe everyone should just
buy a Tornado for your intake and while your at it get a
radar jammer(the ones that are nothing but an led light
inside a plastic shell) to keep from getting all those speeding
tickets with your new rocket. If it sounds to good to be
true..........
Where are the dyno/gtech sheets? I think if you have the
time to design build and test this mod then you have had time
post some concrete results. Maybe everyone should just
buy a Tornado for your intake and while your at it get a
radar jammer(the ones that are nothing but an led light
inside a plastic shell) to keep from getting all those speeding
tickets with your new rocket. If it sounds to good to be
true..........
12-18-2003 | 08:22 PM
#125
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Why do you feel like just because I only have two posts
that I am uninformed? I have been reading posts on this
site since it started. I have read the posts and am very
familiar with how the wankel works. I don't want to sound
negative but I also don't want people to get caught up in
something before they think. Having built and raced all types
of Mazdas since the 70's I know some people expect
unreasonable gains from some mods only to be disappointed.
All I wondered was where are the comparisons.
that I am uninformed? I have been reading posts on this
site since it started. I have read the posts and am very
familiar with how the wankel works. I don't want to sound
negative but I also don't want people to get caught up in
something before they think. Having built and raced all types
of Mazdas since the 70's I know some people expect
unreasonable gains from some mods only to be disappointed.
All I wondered was where are the comparisons.