syntrix

If you have read all the posts, you will know that this device is just coming out AND dyno sheets will be provided soon.

I would have to say that you missed a few posts somewhere

hogcar

You should check Tech Garage> Do you plan on
purchasing CZ's mod..... Last thread.... We are ready
for shipping. If you are ready to sell, I think you could
post some comparisons. I don't post much because I
am too busy reading and sometimes laughing. Get a
gtech and do a comparison. I am not the only person
asking these questions.

syntrix

Hogcar, you'd have your gtech, but I think you missed this post:

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...5&pagenumber=2

Scroll down a bit, and then be patient with this new product. Of note is the WEATHER, lol.

StealthTL

iTrader: (1)

I gots a G-Tech.

'Zoomer gots a G-Tech.

(Actually he gots at least TWO 'G-Tech Pros'.)

But even YOU know you don't want G-Tech info. A sure way to get laughed off the forum would be to try and sell a mod, based on G-Tech readout data.

He also did most of his data points on a dyno, over a hundred hours. However it was a tuner dyno, not the well respected 'Dyno-Jet' type.

A Dyno-Jet has been located, it is only sixty miles from here and he has time booked on the it, but is held up by problems with his wheel sensor wiring, it all has to be re-done as his new ECU seems to be more sensitive to ABS faults, and keeps throwing 'Check' lights.

Tonight was a washout, with serious effort it may happen on Friday. Or not.

But please leave off the "I wanna G-Tech printout" nonsense.

S

SDFLY

Thanks Omni...

rotarygod

The only people who think a g-tec is worthless are the people who have never used one. Regardless of what a drag strip timing system says vs it the g-tec is still a very good indicator of whether or not a mod works or not. A drag strip averages the speed over the last 60 feet anyways so regardless they are always wrong on speed. Post a before and after g-tec run with each setup. Do 5 runs apiece and average them. People will always bitch about the results but then again we've had people complain about not having the actual dyno info since they didn't believe the dyno printout. Who cares. Do it and post it. A gain is a gain. The total time is irrelevant. The importance is the difference between the two times. Just don't try to sell anything based soley off of the g-tec numbers. Still need a good dyno to back it up.

RX8 fever

"problems with his wheel sensor wiring, it all has to be re-done as his new ECU seems to be more sensitive to ABS faults, and keeps throwing 'Check' lights.

"But please leave off the "I wanna G-Tech printout" nonsense".

With everything being said, I think that the majority of the people wants to have an idea of the new piggyback performance. If testing the car on the dyno is hard/impossible/will take longer to defeat the sensors/etc,etc , at least with a Gtech there is an idea of how much power this new modification is capable of. Testing the same car, same road conditions,same driver and using the same Gtech and 100% effort by the driver, From point A to point B (Stock ECU) Gtech result:___then turn the car around From Point B to Point A (CZ"S ECU) Gtech result__.
So because is so hard to dyno the car, the Gtech will show the difference between both ECU . The fact that the dyno is more precise doesnt matter because for whatever reason(limp mode,sensors,ABS,etc) you are not obtaining any reading so far. I think that if you guys are already selling/shipping the product and the dyno test is going to take more time, I believe that at least you should come up with your Gtech testing results. The actual performance can be later confirmed by the dyno whenever all the tricks are defeated.
Thanks

Gord96BRG

You last two guys still aren't paying attention! Canzoomer lives in Edmonton, Alberta. It's winter up here. It's cold up here. Roads are slippery up here. Even with winter tires, there isn't enough traction for full throttle runs through the gears - wheelspin happens at speed. Acceleration suffers. GTech results become useless.

Ask for GTech results all you want, but Canzoomer has already stated that right now, it is physically impossible to generate them.

Regards,
Gordon

rotarygod

I am paying attention! I know it is currently not feasible for him to generate them due to weather. I am merely replying to the negative comments that people have against the g-tec. A comparison is a comparison.

canzoomer

You don't replace the ECU.
it connects between the ECU and the wiring harness that plugs in to the ECU.

The unit sits on top of the ECU inside the plastic ECU cover.

TiRX8

I parted with my cash yesterday! I was sold instantly when StealthTL took me for a spin. Canzoomer is a pure gentleman and I am grateful for all he has done. Thank you Maurice you are the KING!!

racerdave

Well, 'Zoomer *could* road trip to Las Vegas...

RX-8 friend

We did a lot more work on the ABS "fooler" last night, and advanced much further. Still doesn't work, but we now know why, and think we can have it working soon.

Canzoomer was bored, frustrated, and pressured to get -some- results performance wise, so he went out very late and did some runs (I was sleeping by then ). We're having a warm spell (+2 deg C) and the roads were clean and dry. I'll let him post what he's comfortable reporting, but from what he told me, he's very close to 3rd gen 1/4 mile times . On 17" winter tires. Amazing.

Maybe I'm no longer "king of the road".

brothervoodoo

RX-8 friend & CZ,

I think you are only fanning the fire with news like this without additional proof/documentation. I prefer that you guys wouldn't say a word for a couple weeks, do your tests and then post your results. Also, stating the Stage 1 price will go up but without giving any indication as to how much only serves to confuse people more. I can understand why some people can perceive that you are forcing their decision before they are comfortable with your results. I'm sure you will post results/dyno's before you ship the first unit out (I would think this method would make the most sense).

TiRX8

Don't worry. I spoke with 'Zoomer this morning and results will be posted soon. From what we discussed, his mod is incredible! The numbers obtained from last night's runs will blow everyone's mind!

brothervoodoo

Good! So let's stop all the gossip and just wait for the results!

hogcar

Thanks for the support. I am merely trying to get people to
think first. I have never made any personal statements or
resorted to name calling. I also am getting a little tired of being
told about the missed posts that explains everything. I have
been reading these posts since this forum got started. I truly
wish CZ success with his modification but I also Know that there are a great many people working on the same types of things.
Racing Beat, Paul Yaw (brilliant),Mazdaspeed etc. They have not come up with to date anything like this magic bullet. My guess
and it is only a guess is that Mazda richened the fuel mixture
on the 8 so that the side seals would have a reasonable life
expectancy. I am sure that by leaning the mixture you would see slight power gains but at what cost? I want the rx8 to be
a success as much as anyone. I love the rotary engine I just
am not sure the ren. is going to do it.

Long live the rotary!!!

jonalan

I'm not sure you have an '8', but, if you do, it sounds like you may want to wait a few years to mod your car. Dynos, G-Tech, etc. will not provide you answers to longevity of the engine with the mod. Only time will provide that.

bureau13

Where did this side seal theory come from? The explanation given has been that the mixture was likely richened so the cats would meet their mandated 10 year lifespan...otherwise the temps were too high I believe. It sounded reasonable to me, is there a reason why you don't believe that?

jds

hogcar

The theory came from 25 years of building engines
......and a degree in chemistry and physics
If the side seals were not affected by the design change
to a side exhaust then Mazda would not design different(side)
seals. With a Peripheral exhaust the side seals are never
exposed to the rotary's hot breath.

Lock & Load

Maurice (Canzoomer)

Most of the forum members who have entrusted you with the stage1kit and ordered from you have total utter faith in your product and you as a person of Highest repute, its only a few COWBOYS who shot from the hip and dont think before they act , ignore those f#$%wits and carry on your excellent work ,

You and your team have 99.9% support from forum members who are patient and ready to wait for your shipping and dyno results realizing the magnitude of your task .

By the way its a sunny 28 degrees celcious here on the sunny warm gold coast , as i swim and play with my family by the beach i will keep some warm thoughts for you poor guys in that freakkin freezing temperature.

Keep up the excellent work , "dont worry be happy".

MICHAEL

Sea Ray

Watch out for the Great White Sharks

Lock & Load

Sea ray , i mostly worry about( Sting rays ) not sharks , are you related.?

bureau13

Well, the fact that the new motor design included changes to the side seals doesn't really imply that making it run leaner than pig rich (which it apparently is at the top end) will cause problems with them...but that's a good point about the exhaust exposure, assuming its true (not questioning you, I just don't have any personal knowledge of it). However, I don't think anyone will know the answer to that question for a fairly long time. Its one of those risks you have to take if you want to mod the car I guess.

jds

Omicron

DROOL!!! No freakin way! Isn't that like 0-60 in 5 seconds and a 13.70 seconds @ 102.5 mph 1/4 mile?!?!?!