davefzr

you summed that up good!!!

David..

pp13bnos

I hate to say it...but I think i'm going to wait for something thats fully programable. CJ

davefzr

Yeah I am with you. Canzoomer is busy and all but to post a thread saying that he is shipping on Dec. 19th and not update anyone since late December is just wrong. It makes you think about why it was postponed in the first place.

David..

Gord96BRG

It has been posted - the delay was due to a redesign of the unit - the module and wiring was shrunk to fit entirely within the ECU box for a much simpler and cleaner install.

Regards,
Gordon

davefzr

True, and I do remember that but, it seems that the timing of the price increase and nobody getting to test this out before the price goes up is interesting at the least.

vix8

I sense a conspiracy brewing! Oh no!!!!!! :D

Sea Ray

Everyone had the chance to make a choice and be an early bird. You sit and wait, you knew it would cost you more, you take a chance, and it saves. I may have wasted 500, you may have saved 500. OR not??? Who knows??? (except CanZoomer)

Its a gamble at this point for those of us who understood the time line, which was clearly defined. I choose to take a chance and put my money up. I believe it will be a good investment.

It is your choice to buy or not, no one is twisting your arm or forcing you to buy it sight unseen. If it is as good as it sounds, then even 750 is a good deal. If you don't want it, don't buy it. Pretty simple.

Maurice sounds like he is more interested in getting a good product out the door than just meeting a guessed time line. Good for him, and us.

Someone pass the cheese to go with this.............

SDFLY

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Well said....care for some velvetta?

red_rx8_red_int

Ditto, I'm waiting to order. It's all too convenient.

BRx8

i don't necessarily have any doubts about the product although i have high doubts about the reasons why CZ can't get online and respond to 1 or 2 threads with a universal statement...the product i believe to function as stated and has been held back to produce an even better version before being released to the general public...i believe all reports have been true and his discoveries and research can't have been simply made up...however, the recent excuses as to why he can't simply go online for a few minutes in the last few weeks concerns me...a computer with Internet access can be found EVERYWHERE...even if you don't have one in your house, i'm sure work, school, library, airport, neighbors, starbucks, Internet cafe, or even a cellphone nowadays is connected...with all that testing, i'm sure a laptop has been used and a laptop can be plugged into any regular RJ-11 phone jack...worse comes to worse, have a colleague answer emails or post a status report here knowing very well ppl are anxious...

well, like i said, i don't doubt the product, but an extra 5 minutes just to let us know what's going on would really REALLY set us at ease

RX8 fever

BRx8: Exactly

Even if the product comes out like I believe it will, what kind of support for the modification will be available if people are going to hide. Can you imagine if big companies like Amazon or Compusa dont respond to inquiries? They'll in bankruptcy.

I believe if you are going to sell a product and you still working on it, don't hype the customers with dates and increasing prices on a modification that so far is a ghost.

Work as hard as you can to get an excellent product on the market. Then when the product is finished,tested and ready to go, take some pictures, show validation data, be available on the venue that you are advertising( In this case the internet:Forum).
I think that telling us about dates,pictures, web pages ,testing ,etc is premature to say the least. It should be done first and then when there is nothing more to do with the unit then come up and sell it.
No one is telling that is easy, but I believe that the consumer deserve respect if you want your product and the seller to be well respected too.

jtimbck2

Here's my take on it. I'll preface it by saying I've already paid Canzoomer my $500, and I have no doubts that the product will ship soon and be everything he's said it will be.

I suspect that he miscalculated the costs, and he's actually LOSING money on the first run selling them at US$500. But he's sticking to his word, and honoring the price anyway. That explains the sharp 50% price increase, and it explains why he's been a bit quiet about it on the forum (nobody wants to admit to a miscalculation like that...not only that, but he's probably been quietly waiting out the end of the $500 order period, hoping fewer people would actually order at that price...wouldn't you if you were losing money?)

pp13bnos

I'm the kinda guy who likes moding my car. And if you're planning to do some serious mods, a fully programable fuel/timing computer is going to be the way to go. It may take some time, but before you know it, I'm shure someone like apexi will make something along the lines of the power fc for our cars. If you're not familiar with the p-fc, I suggest you do some searching in on the rx7club forum. Watch and see. I do know of a programable unit that will be coming out this month, but not everyone will be able to get the controler. Only tuners, from what I was told.

If you're a guy who just wants his car to run like it should have came from the factory, or don't plan on doing major mods to the car someday, then I'm shure the carzoomers ecu is the one for you.

Bottom line is, the 3rd gen guys have allready been through the burnt ecu vs. the programable war, (I know the 8 and the 3rd gen 7 are two entirely different cars.) and if you plan on doing something like a full exhaust, intake, porting the engine, then you're going to want something that can be dialed in to your car. Because no two cars are exactly the same.

Lets just hope that Mazda did'nt put the crackdown on carzoomer, and that everything works out in the end.

RX8 fever

That's all good and fine, but he is shooting his own foot. I believe that he will bleed even more with whats going on.

Few companies are probably doing ECU improvements, but you dont see them preaching about dates of shipment and prices.

Sea Ray

But also remember that we were the ones pressing him for early information at the begining of development. Had we let him get more preliminary work done, maybe this current wait period might have been avoided. Just food for thought.

HottRodder

I had wondered about this myself but this is the first mention I've seen of it. Hmm.....

MrWigggles

The only thing they can do is not sell him harnesses which I doubt is the case. They have no jurisdiction to tell him, "You can't make an ECU mod."

I have purchased things from him before with good success.

-Mr. Wigggles

MazdaManiac

iTrader: (3)

Generally, it would have been better if he hadn't gotten right on the idea of selling them.
If he had kept his design cycle out in the open like he did, but without setting prices and "pre-selling", he would be under considerably less pressure and ultimately made the same sales.
If one attemts to be on the front of the wave, you have to bring your board. You can't expect that you will make one in the curl.

I've tried to do this with the E-Manage/MSD solution, even though I know that I will end up building systems for sale at some point once I am finished playing with it and have a more "plug-and-play" installation system. That has been my past experience with stuff that I have built/tested for my vehicles.
However, I'm not in any rush to make these things and I would never be able to mass-produce them.

I think its unfortunate that Maurice now finds himself at the business-end of the marketing cannon when what he set out to do was satisfy himself and help others do the same.

RX-8 friend

No pressure from Mazda. I suspect they are quietly wringing their hands in glee. See, THEY have to meet certain govt. regulations, knowing all the while the car's performance will suffer. THEY want to win some races. THEY support aftermarket products (and have stated so many times).

Canzoomer is under lots of pressure. Mostly from himself. He wants to get this thing out, and we will. Just not till the packaging is right. The programming and electronics works great and has done so for months now. It's so close now it hurts. There are finished boxes on the table right now. We are just finishing up the documentation, improving a few things, etc.

As for the title of this thread, we may finally do a dyno run this week, if we get time.

racerdave

Friend... have Maurice sign on to your computer and just drop folks a quick note. Something brief from the man himself is better than dead silence.

My guess is that's what's driving people nuts.

Gord96BRG

Oh, you mean someone like RX-8 friend, who has kept posting here quite regularly about the status of the development and assembly work? Considering that RX-8 friend is doing a bunch of the physical assembly of the kits, that should meet your requirements quite nicely. Oh wait, he already is posting regular status reports, answering questions, explained why canzoomer has not posted lately... hmm, so what was the complaint again?

Regards,
Gordon

brothervoodoo

I don't want to derail the post too much but a good example is Gordo above. He basically shat all over canzoomer, insulted him and look now, one of his biggest supporters!

Many of the gripes are from folks new to the game and some from the impatient ones. You can look back in hindsight and point a couple mis-steps here and there but I think canzoomer will eventually come through. Unless you're someone which canzoomer took money and hasn't responded then gripe (I believe that is not the case), otherwise sit down and go ride your bike or something.

RX8 fever

Hello, Hello, anybody home?. That statement is ridiculous.
That's all hearsay.
You mean that he can't take 5 minutes out of 1440 minutes of a day to write a reply?. Give me a break.

Genom

Uh... RX-8 Friend is responsible for the electronics of the units. How is that hearsay? He is directly involved in building every single one.

RX8 fever

Because this is a Canzoomer's project. He really needs to write a reply to all his future customers.

I wish him good luck and hopefully this modification will be available soon.