Canzoomer VS. Ric Shaw
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Canzoomer VS. Ric Shaw
Okay.. somebody had to ask.. inquiring minds want to know...
How does one compare to the other? Performance, Compatibility, Price, Support?
How does one compare to the other? Performance, Compatibility, Price, Support?
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Yes, I was thinking of starting one like this as well. I believe the Shaw ECU costs around $1500, I think that is Australian Dollars though and I don't know how to convert to USD.
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So Ric Shaw is more expensive, and I think you tune your own map so the power is up to you, however I do remember hearing a little bit about a compatibility issue with US cars because something was a little different.
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becuase of the proximity alone (y'know, Maurice being on the same continent and everything) i certainly would take the Canzoomer unit over the Shaw unit.
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I have a feeling the Canzoomer upgrade, the Ric Shaw upgrade, and tuning an E-manage by yourself will all result in very similar horsepower gains.
Canzoomer's plug-and-play is good for people who don't want to try and tune the car themselves - that's a big plus for the less technically inclined.
The E-manage is probably the best bang for the buck, but requires the most work on your part doing the tuning. Probably the most flexible too, but again requires the most investment of yourself.
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Canzoomer's plug-and-play is good for people who don't want to try and tune the car themselves - that's a big plus for the less technically inclined.
The E-manage is probably the best bang for the buck, but requires the most work on your part doing the tuning. Probably the most flexible too, but again requires the most investment of yourself.
Dale
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Any of these provide multi-mapping so I could effectively flip a switch and be back to stock mappings if I wanted to go conservatively sometimes and less conservative others without removing the unit?
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Originally posted by wakeech
becuase of the proximity alone (y'know, Maurice being on the same continent and everything) i certainly would take the Canzoomer unit over the Shaw unit.
becuase of the proximity alone (y'know, Maurice being on the same continent and everything) i certainly would take the Canzoomer unit over the Shaw unit.
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Originally posted by Ft Liquordale
Any of these provide multi-mapping so I could effectively flip a switch and be back to stock mappings if I wanted to go conservatively sometimes and less conservative others without removing the unit?
Any of these provide multi-mapping so I could effectively flip a switch and be back to stock mappings if I wanted to go conservatively sometimes and less conservative others without removing the unit?
Also I have heard that CZ while it takes a long time for the unit to arrive, he has excellent support if your unit for some reason doesn't work.
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Originally posted by dcfc3s
I have a feeling the Canzoomer upgrade, the Ric Shaw upgrade, and tuning an E-manage by yourself will all result in very similar horsepower gains.
Canzoomer's plug-and-play is good for people who don't want to try and tune the car themselves - that's a big plus for the less technically inclined.
The E-manage is probably the best bang for the buck, but requires the most work on your part doing the tuning. Probably the most flexible too, but again requires the most investment of yourself.
Dale
I have a feeling the Canzoomer upgrade, the Ric Shaw upgrade, and tuning an E-manage by yourself will all result in very similar horsepower gains.
Canzoomer's plug-and-play is good for people who don't want to try and tune the car themselves - that's a big plus for the less technically inclined.
The E-manage is probably the best bang for the buck, but requires the most work on your part doing the tuning. Probably the most flexible too, but again requires the most investment of yourself.
Dale
What works on one doesn't always work on another.
Because of this, you are limited to a preset map that is fairly mild by comparison to what you can do on your own with a little testing.
The E-Manage is the cheapest and most powerful.
Originally posted by Ft Liquordale
Any of these provide multi-mapping so I could effectively flip a switch and be back to stock mappings if I wanted to go conservatively sometimes and less conservative others without removing the unit?
Any of these provide multi-mapping so I could effectively flip a switch and be back to stock mappings if I wanted to go conservatively sometimes and less conservative others without removing the unit?
Or a stylus tap if you use a palm or the E-01.
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Mazda Maniac.... what do you do about taking your car in for warranty service, etc.? I know you had to tap all those wires to install the eManage and it'd be a pain to pull it all and put it back in after getting an oil change, tune up, etc.
I think what would help the eManage case the best are the connectors that Canzoomer has for his piggyback. With those and the base programming you've done, most people could get the eManage up and going fairly quickly.
The other issue is... I'm not a pro tuner. Me program the A/F and timing on a 4 stroke reciprocating engine... much less a rotary engine? I'd be afraid I'd blow it up! NOt to mention I ALSO have to get a wideband 02 sensor for A/F tuning purposes. This is a lot to ask of the average person I think...
I think what would help the eManage case the best are the connectors that Canzoomer has for his piggyback. With those and the base programming you've done, most people could get the eManage up and going fairly quickly.
The other issue is... I'm not a pro tuner. Me program the A/F and timing on a 4 stroke reciprocating engine... much less a rotary engine? I'd be afraid I'd blow it up! NOt to mention I ALSO have to get a wideband 02 sensor for A/F tuning purposes. This is a lot to ask of the average person I think...
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No need for the wide band anymore. The CANScan tool will read the factory wide band O2 sensor.
There is nothing to be afraid of in tuning - just pick an A/F ratio target and whittle your way down to it across the RPM band. It just takes time, not talent.
As far as the wiring goes, I installed connectors that can be easily unplugged, capped and then buried under the battery box.
If I need to hide the E-Manage, it just takes less than ten minutes to unplug it and take it out of the car. No tools necessary.
There is nothing to be afraid of in tuning - just pick an A/F ratio target and whittle your way down to it across the RPM band. It just takes time, not talent.
As far as the wiring goes, I installed connectors that can be easily unplugged, capped and then buried under the battery box.
If I need to hide the E-Manage, it just takes less than ten minutes to unplug it and take it out of the car. No tools necessary.
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Do you recommend doing that tuning over time on a chassis dyno, or logging data from the 02 sensor and making adjustments that way? I am supposing no, because you need to be able to tell when the power drops off, etc...
I am curious about the possiblity of doing this through actual driving as RB claims the ECU has several A/F maps that it uses for different gear ranges... If so, tuning on a dyno in 3rd gear isn't going to get you the best results...
I am curious about the possiblity of doing this through actual driving as RB claims the ECU has several A/F maps that it uses for different gear ranges... If so, tuning on a dyno in 3rd gear isn't going to get you the best results...