HKS Suction...Not Impressed (read)
02-06-2006 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by XDEEDUBBX
Don't get me wrong, I love feedback! As I stated before the intake is loud, pretty much as loud as the AEM, umnitza, k&n etc. It's not for everyone, i don't work for hks so i am not defending "my" product. It's just the way you made the product sound, words like "joke obnoxious, cheap, etc", it's a great product and for you to bad mouth it like that is not very appreciated. Lets state what the product does, dyno proven power (typically 2-3 hp), no idle issues, complete kit with all necessary hardware, no CEL's...other than the noise it makes after 3500rpm there is no complaint/ problem with it. Don't just label a product bad just because of the noise, there was a lot of R&D done for this kit and it does what its supposed to do. I know your not totaly satisfied with the product then by all means, return it and purchase the RB intake, I have nothing against RB, infact I plan on implementing the ram air duct in conjunction with my racing suction. Just don't judge and bash products because of the way they sound.
Well for $ to performance factors i say its not a pretty good product. My Injen Intake alone on 2k2 autotragic Maxima produced 9whp 10 wtrq, thats intake alone , no other bolt on mods. Injen claims 12whp 14 trq,..which is BS. I spent 200 bucks. Sounded very throaty....
Paid 400 bucks for my Jim wolf pop chargers for my TTZ , Jim wolf claims 20WHP, i got 14.5whp out of them....sounded border line exotic.
HKS makes good products,great project cars, but the HKS suction could be tweeked.600 bucks, 2-3 whp,not the best sound at WOT.........
Of course dyno results vary depending on condition of vehicle...
I don't see how the HKS could be a performance bargin?
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02-06-2006 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Pololo_RX8
Daily,
You should have read my reviews as well... Didn't you want a LOUDER car?? Indeed you were going to "gut" your cat out so you can get a "better" sound? What are you looking for??
This is very SUBJECTIVE and just because you feel this way, it doesn't mean it wrong for everybody.
Heck I am 39 so I can give you 2 guys a lesson or 2 about cars, performance and track setups but I'd rather not go there.
Needless to say, indeed the HKS is a bit loud, quality was not to my expectations, yet I like it a lot. During commute I barely hear it since I keep the car ~ 4K RPM but when I floor it then around 6K it's when it starts to come alive.
Let's face it.. no intake will give you much power, if any. Indeed some might lose like what happened with the early K&N intakes.
I do agree with you however that the car kind "bogs" when at WOT in a higher gear and mpg is not as good... but I didn't buy the intake for the MPG but for a bit more performance and deep sound, which in my case it has.
BTW, did you change the exhaust? If not... I am not surprised your friends called your car "a Mosquito Noise maker"
Change the exhaust and intake, if you want and you'll be happier
My 2 cents,
Carlos
You should have read my reviews as well... Didn't you want a LOUDER car?? Indeed you were going to "gut" your cat out so you can get a "better" sound? What are you looking for??
This is very SUBJECTIVE and just because you feel this way, it doesn't mean it wrong for everybody.
Heck I am 39 so I can give you 2 guys a lesson or 2 about cars, performance and track setups but I'd rather not go there.
Needless to say, indeed the HKS is a bit loud, quality was not to my expectations, yet I like it a lot. During commute I barely hear it since I keep the car ~ 4K RPM but when I floor it then around 6K it's when it starts to come alive.
Let's face it.. no intake will give you much power, if any. Indeed some might lose like what happened with the early K&N intakes.
I do agree with you however that the car kind "bogs" when at WOT in a higher gear and mpg is not as good... but I didn't buy the intake for the MPG but for a bit more performance and deep sound, which in my case it has.
BTW, did you change the exhaust? If not... I am not surprised your friends called your car "a Mosquito Noise maker"
Change the exhaust and intake, if you want and you'll be happier
My 2 cents,
Carlos
02-06-2006 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DailyDriver2k5
Well for $ to performance factors i say its not a pretty good product. My Injen Intake alone on 2k2 autotragic Maxima produced 9whp 10 wtrq, thats intake alone , no other bolt on mods. Injen claims 12whp 14 trq,..which is BS. I spent 200 bucks. Sounded very throaty....
Paid 400 bucks for my Jim wolf pop chargers for my TTZ , Jim wolf claims 20WHP, i got 14.5whp out of them....sounded border line exotic.
HKS makes good products,great project cars, but the HKS suction could be tweeked.600 bucks, 2-3 whp,not the best sound at WOT.........
I don't see how the HKS could be a performance bargin?
Paid 400 bucks for my Jim wolf pop chargers for my TTZ , Jim wolf claims 20WHP, i got 14.5whp out of them....sounded border line exotic.
HKS makes good products,great project cars, but the HKS suction could be tweeked.600 bucks, 2-3 whp,not the best sound at WOT.........
I don't see how the HKS could be a performance bargin?
02-06-2006 | 03:51 PM
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did it sound like this?
may want to rightclick and save
here
this is the carbon fiber umnitza one.
thats the one i have and i love that sound very loud though but i'm 22 and can turn alot of heads with it so i love it
may want to rightclick and save
here
this is the carbon fiber umnitza one.
thats the one i have and i love that sound very loud though but i'm 22 and can turn alot of heads with it so i love it
02-06-2006 | 04:05 PM
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It's really hard to compare your vq engine acoustically vs a high pitch rotary engine. You're not going to get the same result with an intake mod. If you heard a three rotor before, you realize that this engine doesn't really produce that deep note you are looking for but it has it's own unique sound which I personally appreciate.
Please don't hurt xeedubs feelings again knocking on a hks product we all know thats a nono..
Please don't hurt xeedubs feelings again knocking on a hks product we all know thats a nono..
HAHAHA
02-06-2006 | 05:32 PM
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Damn, I don't know what to get now. 
I think I'll just get the REVi as it seems to have the least annoying sound. I want something that enhances the sound of the engine--not turn it into something buzzy but I will be ordering exhaust at the same time.
For those that said RB REVi : What kind of tone do you get? Is this with any exhaust or not?
I will be ordering the RP Supercat and either RB cat-back or GReddy Sp2 cat-back at the same time.
Thanks for the feedback on the HKS DailyDriver 2K5, it's off my list.
I think I'll just get the REVi as it seems to have the least annoying sound. I want something that enhances the sound of the engine--not turn it into something buzzy but I will be ordering exhaust at the same time.
For those that said RB REVi : What kind of tone do you get? Is this with any exhaust or not?
I will be ordering the RP Supercat and either RB cat-back or GReddy Sp2 cat-back at the same time.
Thanks for the feedback on the HKS DailyDriver 2K5, it's off my list.
02-06-2006 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JRichter
Damn, I don't know what to get now.
I think I'll just get the REVi as it seems to have the least annoying sound. I want something that enhances the sound of the engine--not turn it into something buzzy but I will be ordering exhaust at the same time.
For those that said RB REVi : What kind of tone do you get? Is this with any exhaust or not?
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I think I'll just get the REVi as it seems to have the least annoying sound. I want something that enhances the sound of the engine--not turn it into something buzzy but I will be ordering exhaust at the same time.
For those that said RB REVi : What kind of tone do you get? Is this with any exhaust or not?
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REVi, in my book, is too civilized... I might as well just leave the stock intake in there. K&N, on the other hands sounds waaaay too much and irritates the heck out of me... HKS however is something in between... but of course this is me.
Kinda like Britney... of course she looks nice... but still sounds like a "Mosquito" ah?
Carlos
02-06-2006 | 06:23 PM
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You must still be remembering her from 12 rs ago ...
Looks like that umnitza CF intake doesn't seal at the front ... and I'd like it better if it had a CF tube with the MAF mounting in it too
Looks like that umnitza CF intake doesn't seal at the front ... and I'd like it better if it had a CF tube with the MAF mounting in it too
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02-06-2006 | 06:34 PM
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Just because it's a rotary doesn't mean it has to sound buzzy, or raspy. This applies to intakes or exhausts. I've heard some rotaries that sounded like absolute music and others that sounded like a riced out Civic.
02-06-2006 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Pololo_RX8
REVi, in my book, is too civilized... I might as well just leave the stock intake in there. K&N, on the other hands sounds waaaay too much and irritates the heck out of me... HKS however is something in between... but of course this is me.
Carlos
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I'm coming from an Eclipse with everything from the intake manifold back replaced (no cat) with a K&N cold-air intake and it actually didn't sound bad in my opinion, but very aggressive.
I know the RX-8 will sound totally different but I miss the aggresive sound of the DSM. I want the RX-8 to sound a little more mature, with less highway drone. I'm definately not afraid of being loud as long as it is not annoying.
The car is very stealthy as-is and I don't realize I'm going 96 as I barely hear the engine/exhaust. What I do hear sounds very good (better than my '89 RX-7) but I want to enhance it a little more. Not worried about power, yet just want some ear-candy to complete this excellent package.
02-06-2006 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by JRichter
Damn, I don't know what to get now.
I think I'll just get the REVi as it seems to have the least annoying sound. I want something that enhances the sound of the engine--not turn it into something buzzy but I will be ordering exhaust at the same time.
For those that said RB REVi : What kind of tone do you get? Is this with any exhaust or not?
I will be ordering the RP Supercat and either RB cat-back or GReddy Sp2 cat-back at the same time.
Thanks for the feedback on the HKS DailyDriver 2K5, it's off my list.
I think I'll just get the REVi as it seems to have the least annoying sound. I want something that enhances the sound of the engine--not turn it into something buzzy but I will be ordering exhaust at the same time.
For those that said RB REVi : What kind of tone do you get? Is this with any exhaust or not?
I will be ordering the RP Supercat and either RB cat-back or GReddy Sp2 cat-back at the same time.
Thanks for the feedback on the HKS DailyDriver 2K5, it's off my list.
02-06-2006 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by XDEEDUBBX
now your contradicting yourself. You say you want something least annoying, then you say you will be ordering the rp supercat and greddy exhaust. Have you heard the Greddy exhaust by itself? It's already loud to begin with, that along with the rp supercat, that would be crazy loud!
I know the rp supercat will be loud. I've read the Greddy was deep and throaty. Is it loud combined w/ the rp supercat?
02-06-2006 | 07:23 PM
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you better bet your socks buddy! It's loud even with a much quieter hks exhaust. I mean, I also plan on getting the rp supercat as well but it will be much harder to get by passed cops. Its loud at low rpm's.
02-06-2006 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by XDEEDUBBX
you better bet your socks buddy! It's loud even with a much quieter hks exhaust. I mean, I also plan on getting the rp supercat as well but it will be much harder to get by passed cops. Its loud at low rpm's.
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02-06-2006 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
Just because it's a rotary doesn't mean it has to sound buzzy, or raspy. This applies to intakes or exhausts. I've heard some rotaries that sounded like absolute music and others that sounded like a riced out Civic.
http://home.comcast.net/~rx7pics/before.MPG
(please note that I couldn't stand it either)
02-06-2006 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by dDuB
Which does this rotary sound like?
http://home.comcast.net/~rx7pics/before.MPG
(please note that I couldn't stand it either)
http://home.comcast.net/~rx7pics/before.MPG
(please note that I couldn't stand it either)
Carlos
02-06-2006 | 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Pololo_RX8
Ok now this sounds like a Mosquito ... a very riced out Mosquito...
Carlos
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Another couple videos with a different style of port, same header, borla xr-1 midpipe, and single exhaust (that doesn't muffle very well either), however the single muffler was not blown, whereas my 2 old ones were basically useless. With the stupid 2nd gen rx7 I was more about performance than it being streetable. Hence why it's dying in my garage and being parted out!
Note that these videos were taken for the first startup of the new build/port. The smoke is engine assembly lube that is burning off. First vid shows the cars first start, idle wasn't set correctly (was at about 3700 rpms) and I wanted it around 1-2k for the initial idle break-in. Had to turn it off, and since it was a brand new build and wasn't even warmed up yet, it flooded! That's why the second one shows how hard it was to start.
But yah, long story short, rotaries can sound extremely annoying unless you pay close attention to the exhaust.
http://home.comcast.net/~drewrx7/videos/first.MPG
http://home.comcast.net/~ddub114/videos/long.MPG
02-06-2006 | 10:33 PM
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yeah the simota doesn't seal but i'll put it to you like this i've ran it hard for bout 10-15 min straight on a 70 degree day and pulled into my yard and popped the hood the intake was actually COOL to the touch all of it the cf, and the pipe and even the rubber connecting hose so i'm sold on it. it is very loud though but i like the sound kinda weird but kool
02-06-2006 | 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DailyDriver2k5
I am going to apply my credit to a MS kit. I am going to drop a RB high flow panel filter in there and call it the day. Rz motoring can get me the full MS kit, painted for 8 hundred and change.....
Hold the phone... 8 hundred and change? This is a fiberglass replica kit, right? If not a urethane replica? If this is the real kit made by Mazda, then inquiring minds want to know... how do we get one?
