Installed Lite Flywheel!
#151
AND... just because it happened on the 12A (that was how long ago now???)
doesn't mean anything about the 13b-REW.
If it breaks... it sucks, but it's under warranty.
Got any evidence to back your claims?
No one other than ACT appears to have bothered.
ACT, last time I checked, was a pretty big name in clutches and related parts. How big do you really think the rx-8 flywheel market is? Do you actually believe he would waste his time fabricating a story for the sake of a minimal profit?
It amazes me that you people would be more worried about ACT trying to steal sales away from another company than another company selling you something potentially faulty for your practically brand new car.
Hey Japan8 - what if you're the one tring to steal sales away from ACT?
Maybe he is making it up. I seriously doubt it.
And why hasn't anyone else noticed this yet?
Here's the thread he mentioned: link
also, the front counter weight is the same p[art number for the both manual and auto.
Finally, let me just say that this reply is for the benefit of anyone out there with a clue. I don't have any vested interest in ACT. This Japan8 character seems to have personal issues. Don't worry - Prozac is now available as a generic (Flouxetine), so maybe he can settle down a bit soon.
#152
Originally posted by Broke_Apex_Seal
also, the front counter weight is the same p[art number for the both manual and auto.
also, the front counter weight is the same p[art number for the both manual and auto.
MT = N3Z1-11-D6X
AT = N3Z2-11-D6X
I also found out that the rear counterweight is sold as a package with the Mazdaspeed flywheel so I imagine that it is correct anyway, but don't just use the automatic counterweight.
FYI: According to Mazda, the difference on the eccentric shafts (AT vs. MT) is only because of the pilot bearing (included with the shaft).
Last edited by ACTman; 05-20-2004 at 01:30 PM.
#153
Very good points 83turbo. I also don't believe ACT is making it up. I think he is doing everyone who is looking at upgrading their flywheel a good service.
P.S. Xanax is also available as a generic (alaprozome).
P.S. Xanax is also available as a generic (alaprozome).
#154
Originally posted by ACTman
Check again! I just called Mazdaspeed to confirm. The part numbers for the front counterweights are:
MT = N3Z1-11-D6X
AT = N3Z2-11-D6X
I also found out that the rear counterweight is sold as a package with the Mazdaspeed flywheel so I imagine that it is correct anyway, but don't just use the automatic counterweight.
FYI: According to Mazda, the difference on the eccentric shafts (AT vs. MT) is only because of the pilot bearing (included with the shaft).
Check again! I just called Mazdaspeed to confirm. The part numbers for the front counterweights are:
MT = N3Z1-11-D6X
AT = N3Z2-11-D6X
I also found out that the rear counterweight is sold as a package with the Mazdaspeed flywheel so I imagine that it is correct anyway, but don't just use the automatic counterweight.
FYI: According to Mazda, the difference on the eccentric shafts (AT vs. MT) is only because of the pilot bearing (included with the shaft).
#155
One other exampl of mazda part numbers. there is 2 part numbers for rotor housings but yet they are the same on the 93-95 rx-7. I know this because I have built them and looked over them for like an hour trying to find out what was different. NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#156
As Japan8 mentioned, who cares?
Have it installed by a Mazda dealer. If it breaks have them fix it under warranty.
If something mechanically is wrong 9 times out of 10 times you can feel it.
I say no vibe = no problem.
-Mr. Wigggles
Have it installed by a Mazda dealer. If it breaks have them fix it under warranty.
If something mechanically is wrong 9 times out of 10 times you can feel it.
I say no vibe = no problem.
-Mr. Wigggles
Last edited by MrWigggles; 05-20-2004 at 04:30 PM.
#157
this is why you are here
Note: Once the counterweight is installed, the aftermarket flywheel is the same part as the early Turbo RX7. We have them in two versions (9.9lbs and 13.9lbs) ready to go. In a week or so we will also have counterweights available, dynamically balanced properly for the manual shift (without having to change front counterweights).
A link from a thread of mazda speed flywheel post. SHOCKING you should pay to run your mouth like a salesman. Buy the advertisements.
Note: Once the counterweight is installed, the aftermarket flywheel is the same part as the early Turbo RX7. We have them in two versions (9.9lbs and 13.9lbs) ready to go. In a week or so we will also have counterweights available, dynamically balanced properly for the manual shift (without having to change front counterweights).
A link from a thread of mazda speed flywheel post. SHOCKING you should pay to run your mouth like a salesman. Buy the advertisements.
#159
Originally posted by Broke_Apex_Seal
this is why you are here
Note: Once the counterweight is installed, the aftermarket flywheel is the same part as the early Turbo RX7. We have them in two versions (9.9lbs and 13.9lbs) ready to go. In a week or so we will also have counterweights available, dynamically balanced properly for the manual shift (without having to change front counterweights).
A link from a thread of mazda speed flywheel post. SHOCKING you should pay to run your mouth like a salesman. Buy the advertisements.
this is why you are here
Note: Once the counterweight is installed, the aftermarket flywheel is the same part as the early Turbo RX7. We have them in two versions (9.9lbs and 13.9lbs) ready to go. In a week or so we will also have counterweights available, dynamically balanced properly for the manual shift (without having to change front counterweights).
A link from a thread of mazda speed flywheel post. SHOCKING you should pay to run your mouth like a salesman. Buy the advertisements.
Believe me, it would be a lot cheaper to advertise. What do you think my time is worth? Of course then no one would know about the balance situation then. When we first discovered the problem I called Mazdaspeed and they have been working with us to get to the facts straight (many thanks to them) and I also called Unorthodox Racing to alert them because I knew they were working on a flywheel with the balance incorporated into the flywheel. We have tried to pass on the information. I am not saying that the problem is going to grenade your engine immediately, but it's definitely not right if the automatic counterweight is being used (unless you change the front one as well).
You obviously don't know me very well or how I run my business. I just want to see the customer get it right, whether it's our customer or not. If I have information that our competitors normally wouldn't find and it will help their customers, why not share it? This is not something I would want to keep proprietary. Think what you will though.
#160
some o fyou said you would go fo rthe mazdaspeed flywheel to keep your warrenty.....i just talked to my dealership (Brown's Mazda in Fairfax, VA) and they said that installing ti would void my warrenty......the service guy told me that any aftermarket part that didn't come with the car originaly would void the warrenty. That kinda blew me away. Anyone else have this problem with their service people? i mean it is a mazda part made specifically for the rx-8. I just don't get it.
#161
army_rx8, you need to get a new dealership! That is absolutely, completely false. They cannot legally "void your warranty" for anything you install unless they can prove that the aftermarket part caused the problem! This has been posted so many times its not funny. The catcher of course is that this particular service department can refuse to fix your car, which is inconvenient, but Mazda cannot refuse to pay for it legally (of course if they really want to be annoying, they probably can afford better lawyers than you). This sounds like one of those places that try to void your engine warranty when you put on a set of aftermarket wheels. Holy ****, I put those Racing Beat oil cooler screens on my car. Do you think if my motor blows I'm screwed? Idiots...definitely, find another dealer, and make sure they understand why you're no longer a loyal customer.
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#162
Originally posted by 83turbo
So what you are saying, in essence, is that a problem that occurred a long time ago can't possible happen now, because that was a long time ago. Right-O.
So what you are saying, in essence, is that a problem that occurred a long time ago can't possible happen now, because that was a long time ago. Right-O.
What does the 13BREW have to do with the RX-8?
If what breaks? The flywheel? It won't. Read my post again.
What claims are those? I am merely suggesting that you people should listen to the man. It may be worth looking into. Even if he turns out to be wrong, you will at least have addressed a potential problem area.
No one other than ACT appears to have bothered.
No one other than ACT appears to have bothered.
ACT, last time I checked, was a pretty big name in clutches and related parts. How big do you really think the rx-8 flywheel market is? Do you actually believe he would waste his time fabricating a story for the sake of a minimal profit?
It amazes me that you people would be more worried about ACT trying to steal sales away from another company than another company selling you something potentially faulty for your practically brand new car.
Hey Japan8 - what if you're the one tring to steal sales away from ACT?
Maybe he is making it up. I seriously doubt it.
Read my post again - reading comprehension is evidently not your strong point.
Here's the thread he mentioned: link
The part numbers for the eccentrics are not. Any idea what the difference is? Is there anything else balance related that could be different?
Finally, let me just say that this reply is for the benefit of anyone out there with a clue. I don't have any vested interest in ACT. This Japan8 character seems to have personal issues. Don't worry - Prozac is now available as a generic (Flouxetine), so
maybe he can settle down a bit soon.
The part numbers for the eccentrics are not. Any idea what the difference is? Is there anything else balance related that could be different?
Finally, let me just say that this reply is for the benefit of anyone out there with a clue. I don't have any vested interest in ACT. This Japan8 character seems to have personal issues. Don't worry - Prozac is now available as a generic (Flouxetine), so
maybe he can settle down a bit soon.
Last edited by Japan8; 05-20-2004 at 11:09 PM.
#163
ACTman,
You sound like you may have a case. The only thing is if you've been following the flywheel threads... like I've already stated, this is quite possibly a non-issue for the majority of us. ACT, SR motorsports, etc. aftermarket flywheels are at the minimum a warranty issue, if not voids your powertrain warranty. Mazdaspeed when installed by certified Mazda technicians is not even an issue, much less voids your warranty. This is the word from Mazda North America Operations which has been posted on this forum several times. Many people will not change their flywheels. Some owners will choose to. Among them, most will want to keep the remainder of their powertrain warranty intact, so they will choose Mazdaspeed for their flywheel. As you mentioned...
So the MS unit is likely NOT a problem. And if it there does turn out to be a problem... you're fully covered under warranty... so it becomes Mazda's problem.
Is there any detailed information about your findings that you can provide for us so that those of us whom are able, can try to verify them? If someone comes on here and says they have an intake that makes 20whp, then everyone wants pics and dynos. Just asking if you can do the same...
You sound like you may have a case. The only thing is if you've been following the flywheel threads... like I've already stated, this is quite possibly a non-issue for the majority of us. ACT, SR motorsports, etc. aftermarket flywheels are at the minimum a warranty issue, if not voids your powertrain warranty. Mazdaspeed when installed by certified Mazda technicians is not even an issue, much less voids your warranty. This is the word from Mazda North America Operations which has been posted on this forum several times. Many people will not change their flywheels. Some owners will choose to. Among them, most will want to keep the remainder of their powertrain warranty intact, so they will choose Mazdaspeed for their flywheel. As you mentioned...
I also found out that the rear counterweight is sold as a package with the Mazdaspeed flywheel so I imagine that it is correct anyway, but don't just use the automatic counterweight.
Is there any detailed information about your findings that you can provide for us so that those of us whom are able, can try to verify them? If someone comes on here and says they have an intake that makes 20whp, then everyone wants pics and dynos. Just asking if you can do the same...
#165
Originally posted by Japan8
ACTman,
You sound like you may have a case. The only thing is if you've been following the flywheel threads... like I've already stated, this is quite possibly a non-issue for the majority of us. ACT, SR motorsports, etc. aftermarket flywheels are at the minimum a warranty issue, if not voids your powertrain warranty. Mazdaspeed when installed by certified Mazda technicians is not even an issue, much less voids your warranty.
So the MS unit is likely NOT a problem. And if it there does turn out to be a problem... you're fully covered under warranty... so it becomes Mazda's problem.
Is there any detailed information about your findings that you can provide for us so that those of us whom are able, can try to verify them? If someone comes on here and says they have an intake that makes 20whp, then everyone wants pics and dynos. Just asking if you can do the same...
ACTman,
You sound like you may have a case. The only thing is if you've been following the flywheel threads... like I've already stated, this is quite possibly a non-issue for the majority of us. ACT, SR motorsports, etc. aftermarket flywheels are at the minimum a warranty issue, if not voids your powertrain warranty. Mazdaspeed when installed by certified Mazda technicians is not even an issue, much less voids your warranty.
So the MS unit is likely NOT a problem. And if it there does turn out to be a problem... you're fully covered under warranty... so it becomes Mazda's problem.
Is there any detailed information about your findings that you can provide for us so that those of us whom are able, can try to verify them? If someone comes on here and says they have an intake that makes 20whp, then everyone wants pics and dynos. Just asking if you can do the same...
Warranty problems with aftermarket parts technically are only an issue if the problem can be proved to the fault of the aftermarket part. While that's technically correct, it's not common courtesy. Any vehicle manufacturer is looking for an excuse to deny a claim. That being said, the MS flywheel installed by Mazda, is a safer bet for warranty issues.
As far as evidence, I would love to share some digital photos of our balancing but my two digital cameras are gone until Monday. One camera is at IAS in NJ, and the other is with my IT guy at a kid's camp. It's not like I haven't thought about it. I even went home to get my old camera but the battery is dead and the charger is with one of the other cameras. Darn, I am out Monday anyway. Well, maybe Tuesday I'll get some digital shots together.
#167
Thus spake Japan8
I don't think that the counterweight discrepancy was a mistake. It was likely done for a reason. Do you actually believe they screwed that up.
Wow. I ususally have to visit democraticunderground to find paranoids this critical of capitalism. Thanks for saving me the trip!
Well let's see - you basically accuse ACT of trying to undercut sales of another company. But when the table are turned, it's obviously false. You should get a job in journalism.
Off you go, back to the shallow end. You had some pretty strong convictions there until you were shown to be FOS. Now you're backing down in an attempt to save face. Here's a piece of advice - watch what you say in a public forum if you don't want it to come back and bite you.
Necessary? No, but surely funny. And I assure you that I am quite calm as I skewer you with oppurtunistic ripostes.
Impugning on someone's reputation? Hah - I could have sworn that's what you were trying to do to ACT! Oh wait a minute - I keep forgettting your double standard.
Keep it up, Japan8. I'm enjoying this!
Noo. It's called learning from your mistakes. They used to teach that when I went to school. It's also built-into something as basic as the scientific method... but you knew that already.
Sure I can believe that he could do it. I don't think he is "making it up," but I believe that anyone can and will do anything if it potentially has any benefit for them
You making statements like this REALLY lowers your credibility.
I didn't say he was. I just said that I don't believe/agree with what he had to say.
Really are these uncalled for personal attacks necessary? Are you unable to calmly discuss an issue with someone whom does not agree with you without resorting to name calling? Are you unable to take part here without trying to impugn someone else's reputation?
Impugning on someone's reputation? Hah - I could have sworn that's what you were trying to do to ACT! Oh wait a minute - I keep forgettting your double standard.
Keep it up, Japan8. I'm enjoying this!
#168
Originally posted by Broke_Apex_Seal
O.K. ! What is the differance other than the "2" in the part number?
O.K. ! What is the differance other than the "2" in the part number?
Yeah, the part number is only a little different, so it oughta work just fine.
Also the part number for the mazdaspeed kit is the same as an rx8 auto balance. When I got my balancer I was with carl from rosenthal mazda when he broke it from the kit. ???????? You are making a big deal over nothing IMO.
My system has worked from day one and no ill effects since then or any other signs of problems. You want to sell your product because it makes you money BOTTOM LINE.
No, Broken, I don't expect you to reply. I actually suggest you don't. I mean, I'm having fun now, but sooner or later I'll get bored with you kids, and you'll have wasted all that good material.
#169
Okay, Rx-8 owners, mods, etc -
I will now sign off from this thread, as I do not want to ***** it up playing games with these fellas. I don't even own an '8.
ACT - nice work. I will look into your products next time I am in that market.
Japan8, Broken - It's been fun. You two really would make a cute couple.
Great, now I'm playing matchmaker all of a sudden.
I will now sign off from this thread, as I do not want to ***** it up playing games with these fellas. I don't even own an '8.
ACT - nice work. I will look into your products next time I am in that market.
Japan8, Broken - It's been fun. You two really would make a cute couple.
Great, now I'm playing matchmaker all of a sudden.
#170
83turbo, You mean nothing to me or this thread! you dont have an 8 but you may have beat *** rx7. But I have hands on and that is all I need. To everyone I dont care buy a part overpriced it does not matter to me and let the dealer rape you!
#171
Originally posted by ACTman
... As far as evidence, I would love to share some digital photos of our balancing...
... As far as evidence, I would love to share some digital photos of our balancing...
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