83turbo

So what you are saying, in essence, is that a problem that occurred a long time ago can't possible happen now, because that was a long time ago. Right-O.

What does the 13BREW have to do with the RX-8?

If what breaks? The flywheel? It won't. Read my post again.


What claims are those? I am merely suggesting that you people should listen to the man. It may be worth looking into. Even if he turns out to be wrong, you will at least have addressed a potential problem area.
No one other than ACT appears to have bothered.

ACT, last time I checked, was a pretty big name in clutches and related parts. How big do you really think the rx-8 flywheel market is? Do you actually believe he would waste his time fabricating a story for the sake of a minimal profit?

It amazes me that you people would be more worried about ACT trying to steal sales away from another company than another company selling you something potentially faulty for your practically brand new car.
Hey Japan8 - what if you're the one tring to steal sales away from ACT?

Maybe he is making it up. I seriously doubt it.

Read my post again - reading comprehension is evidently not your strong point.

Here's the thread he mentioned: link

The part numbers for the eccentrics are not. Any idea what the difference is? Is there anything else balance related that could be different?

Finally, let me just say that this reply is for the benefit of anyone out there with a clue. I don't have any vested interest in ACT. This Japan8 character seems to have personal issues. Don't worry - Prozac is now available as a generic (Flouxetine), so maybe he can settle down a bit soon.

ACTman

Check again! I just called Mazdaspeed to confirm. The part numbers for the front counterweights are:
MT = N3Z1-11-D6X
AT = N3Z2-11-D6X

I also found out that the rear counterweight is sold as a package with the Mazdaspeed flywheel so I imagine that it is correct anyway, but don't just use the automatic counterweight.

FYI: According to Mazda, the difference on the eccentric shafts (AT vs. MT) is only because of the pilot bearing (included with the shaft).

SMigneco

Very good points 83turbo. I also don't believe ACT is making it up. I think he is doing everyone who is looking at upgrading their flywheel a good service.

P.S. Xanax is also available as a generic (alaprozome).

Broke_Apex_Seal

O.K. ! What is the differance other than the "2" in the part number? Also the part number for the mazdaspeed kit is the same as an rx8 auto balance. When I got my balancer I was with carl from rosenthal mazda when he broke it from the kit. ???????? You are making a big deal over nothing IMO. My system has worked from day one and no ill effects since then or any other signs of problems. You want to sell your product because it makes you money BOTTOM LINE. You say mazdaspeed flywheels are not correct but then later you say they work because of a different counter balance! But yet they are the same part number. Stop the press man and back it up with a litte more than some B.S.

Broke_Apex_Seal

One other exampl of mazda part numbers. there is 2 part numbers for rotor housings but yet they are the same on the 93-95 rx-7. I know this because I have built them and looked over them for like an hour trying to find out what was different. NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MrWigggles

As Japan8 mentioned, who cares?

Have it installed by a Mazda dealer. If it breaks have them fix it under warranty.

If something mechanically is wrong 9 times out of 10 times you can feel it.

I say no vibe = no problem.

-Mr. Wigggles

Broke_Apex_Seal

this is why you are here

Note: Once the counterweight is installed, the aftermarket flywheel is the same part as the early Turbo RX7. We have them in two versions (9.9lbs and 13.9lbs) ready to go. In a week or so we will also have counterweights available, dynamically balanced properly for the manual shift (without having to change front counterweights).

A link from a thread of mazda speed flywheel post. SHOCKING you should pay to run your mouth like a salesman. Buy the advertisements.

neit_jnf

I've been saying it all along!! I'm glad someone actually tested the counterweights and found what I was fearing to be true!

ACTman

Oh no! I've been discovered! I shouldn't have mentioned that we actually sell stuff in our business. Come on, do you think I would waste my time on a forum just to try and sell parts? How much business do you think I could hope to generate for all this hassle? Not enough, that's for sure. I meant ANYBODY'S aftermarket turbo RX7 flywheel, not just ours. Once again, do you think I am going to get rich selling counterweights? Not!

Believe me, it would be a lot cheaper to advertise. What do you think my time is worth? Of course then no one would know about the balance situation then. When we first discovered the problem I called Mazdaspeed and they have been working with us to get to the facts straight (many thanks to them) and I also called Unorthodox Racing to alert them because I knew they were working on a flywheel with the balance incorporated into the flywheel. We have tried to pass on the information. I am not saying that the problem is going to grenade your engine immediately, but it's definitely not right if the automatic counterweight is being used (unless you change the front one as well).

You obviously don't know me very well or how I run my business. I just want to see the customer get it right, whether it's our customer or not. If I have information that our competitors normally wouldn't find and it will help their customers, why not share it? This is not something I would want to keep proprietary. Think what you will though.

army_rx8

some o fyou said you would go fo rthe mazdaspeed flywheel to keep your warrenty.....i just talked to my dealership (Brown's Mazda in Fairfax, VA) and they said that installing ti would void my warrenty......the service guy told me that any aftermarket part that didn't come with the car originaly would void the warrenty. That kinda blew me away. Anyone else have this problem with their service people? i mean it is a mazda part made specifically for the rx-8. I just don't get it.

bureau13

army_rx8, you need to get a new dealership! That is absolutely, completely false. They cannot legally "void your warranty" for anything you install unless they can prove that the aftermarket part caused the problem! This has been posted so many times its not funny. The catcher of course is that this particular service department can refuse to fix your car, which is inconvenient, but Mazda cannot refuse to pay for it legally (of course if they really want to be annoying, they probably can afford better lawyers than you). This sounds like one of those places that try to void your engine warranty when you put on a set of aftermarket wheels. Holy ****, I put those Racing Beat oil cooler screens on my car. Do you think if my motor blows I'm screwed? Idiots...definitely, find another dealer, and make sure they understand why you're no longer a loyal customer.

jds

jds

Japan8

Noo. It's called learning from your mistakes. They used to teach that when I went to school. It's also built-into something as basic as the scientific method... but you knew that already.

No, the question is what does it have to do with the 12a...


No.. try the engine. Anything. Read MY post again. Everyone else (Mr. Wiggles) seems to have gotten what I meant.

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What claims are those? I am merely suggesting that you people should listen to the man. It may be worth looking into. Even if he turns out to be wrong, you will at least have addressed a potential problem area.
No one other than ACT appears to have bothered.

Since you missed my point the first time, I'll try this a different way... Why should we care? Most people here care about the manufacturer's warranty on their $30k or so car. So ACT, etc. flywheels and clutches are a BIG no no. Until the warranty ends, a significant number of people will be buying Mazdaspeed flywheels, installed by the dealer. If there is a design flaw and the engine or something breaks down the road... no one cares THAT much, because it's ALL under warranty. So I ask again... why should we really care about this?

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ACT, last time I checked, was a pretty big name in clutches and related parts. How big do you really think the rx-8 flywheel market is? Do you actually believe he would waste his time fabricating a story for the sake of a minimal profit?

Don't "get your dander up" ACTman, but... Sure I can believe that he could do it. I don't think he is "making it up," but I believe that anyone can and will do anything if it potentially has any benefit for them. That being said... I believe that ACTman believes he's found an issue. That's cool, but it'd be nice if we had some way to verify this for ourselves. Some people here have the means to do so and this community doesn't take the word of too many people at face value.

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It amazes me that you people would be more worried about ACT trying to steal sales away from another company than another company selling you something potentially faulty for your practically brand new car.

Wouldn't buy it. I know of ACT. But I like the factory warranty...

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Hey Japan8 - what if you're the one tring to steal sales away from ACT?

You making statements like this REALLY lowers your credibility.

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Maybe he is making it up. I seriously doubt it.

I didn't say he was. I just said that I don't believe/agree with what he had to say.

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Read my post again - reading comprehension is evidently not your strong point.

Was yet another personal attack necessary or called for?

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Here's the thread he mentioned: link


The part numbers for the eccentrics are not. Any idea what the difference is? Is there anything else balance related that could be different?

Finally, let me just say that this reply is for the benefit of anyone out there with a clue. I don't have any vested interest in ACT. This Japan8 character seems to have personal issues. Don't worry - Prozac is now available as a generic (Flouxetine), so
maybe he can settle down a bit soon.

Really are these uncalled for personal attacks necessary? Are you unable to calmly discuss an issue with someone whom does not agree with you without resorting to name calling? Are you unable to take part here without trying to impugn someone else's reputation?

Japan8

ACTman,

You sound like you may have a case. The only thing is if you've been following the flywheel threads... like I've already stated, this is quite possibly a non-issue for the majority of us. ACT, SR motorsports, etc. aftermarket flywheels are at the minimum a warranty issue, if not voids your powertrain warranty. Mazdaspeed when installed by certified Mazda technicians is not even an issue, much less voids your warranty. This is the word from Mazda North America Operations which has been posted on this forum several times. Many people will not change their flywheels. Some owners will choose to. Among them, most will want to keep the remainder of their powertrain warranty intact, so they will choose Mazdaspeed for their flywheel. As you mentioned...
So the MS unit is likely NOT a problem. And if it there does turn out to be a problem... you're fully covered under warranty... so it becomes Mazda's problem.

Is there any detailed information about your findings that you can provide for us so that those of us whom are able, can try to verify them? If someone comes on here and says they have an intake that makes 20whp, then everyone wants pics and dynos. Just asking if you can do the same...

Japan8

army_rx8... exactly what bureau13 said. Find another dealer and rate this as badly as possible on your way out.

ACTman

I appreciate your comments and agree for the most part. From what information I have so far, MS is using the automatic counterweight, which isn't right, so I let them know about it. They can deal with it from there.

Warranty problems with aftermarket parts technically are only an issue if the problem can be proved to the fault of the aftermarket part. While that's technically correct, it's not common courtesy. Any vehicle manufacturer is looking for an excuse to deny a claim. That being said, the MS flywheel installed by Mazda, is a safer bet for warranty issues.

As far as evidence, I would love to share some digital photos of our balancing but my two digital cameras are gone until Monday. One camera is at IAS in NJ, and the other is with my IT guy at a kid's camp. It's not like I haven't thought about it. I even went home to get my old camera but the battery is dead and the charger is with one of the other cameras. Darn, I am out Monday anyway. Well, maybe Tuesday I'll get some digital shots together.

Broke_Apex_Seal

This thread turned out to be soooooo gay. I guess my car is going to blow into a million pcs. according to ACTman. What ever I will go on and keep driving why everone will be in fear.

83turbo

Thus spake Japan8
I don't think that the counterweight discrepancy was a mistake. It was likely done for a reason. Do you actually believe they screwed that up.

Wow. I ususally have to visit democraticunderground to find paranoids this critical of capitalism. Thanks for saving me the trip!



Well let's see - you basically accuse ACT of trying to undercut sales of another company. But when the table are turned, it's obviously false. You should get a job in journalism.


Off you go, back to the shallow end. You had some pretty strong convictions there until you were shown to be FOS. Now you're backing down in an attempt to save face. Here's a piece of advice - watch what you say in a public forum if you don't want it to come back and bite you.

Necessary? No, but surely funny. And I assure you that I am quite calm as I skewer you with oppurtunistic ripostes.
Impugning on someone's reputation? Hah - I could have sworn that's what you were trying to do to ACT! Oh wait a minute - I keep forgettting your double standard.

Keep it up, Japan8. I'm enjoying this!

83turbo

OH DEAR LORD

Yeah, the part number is only a little different, so it oughta work just fine.

Should be "IMHO", not "IMO". I say this because your opinion ought to be humble, as it certainly is a vacant one.

Are you and Japan8 regulars at democraticunderground? (see previous reply to J8)

No, Broken, I don't expect you to reply. I actually suggest you don't. I mean, I'm having fun now, but sooner or later I'll get bored with you kids, and you'll have wasted all that good material.

83turbo

Okay, Rx-8 owners, mods, etc -

I will now sign off from this thread, as I do not want to ***** it up playing games with these fellas. I don't even own an '8.

ACT - nice work. I will look into your products next time I am in that market.

Japan8, Broken - It's been fun. You two really would make a cute couple.

Great, now I'm playing matchmaker all of a sudden.

Broke_Apex_Seal

83turbo, You mean nothing to me or this thread! you dont have an 8 but you may have beat *** rx7. But I have hands on and that is all I need. To everyone I dont care buy a part overpriced it does not matter to me and let the dealer rape you!

ACTman

Instead of further polluting this thread and having our info considered suspect, for those sincerely interested in our balancing results drop me an email and I will share what we have learned. Most importantly, I learned Friday from a top rotary race engine builder (name withheld) that even a severe balance error should NOT harm the engine. So don't over-react (as I could probably be accused of). Have a nice day!

Broke_Apex_Seal

Close this thread. it is cooked!