Yes, the rest of us ARE still playing the guessing game....

If you don't like the rules, take your 'ball' and go home.... :p

 

No guessing just call the damn guy jeez.

 

I am starting to think the engine has been apart and is in fact ported in some fashion as others have suspected. The tell tale sign is not in someone saying they talked to him. I talk to people all the time. The key is in the other post where he mentions what he learned on the Renesis and how it is the basis of him wanting to do a full bridge Renesis. This should be a give away. This implies that a partial bridge has been done. He even has pictures of a Renesis bridgeport. Even if this is what he did to his RX-8, I'm not going to believe the whole bingo we have a winner crap until Ito himself actually says he did it. Maybe this is what is done but if he hasn't revealed it yet, it isn't a sure thing yet. If he did enlarge the ports but kept the same intake manifold, the power peak should in fact shift downwards from stock. It looks like it in fact did. This is still just speculation but it is starting to make sense. Yes the car would look stock this way and yes it would still pass inspection.

 

And he has every right to be.

 

Jesus people, if you cant tell EXACTLY what he did by the dyno graph, you really shouldnt be modifying your car. Go look around online at various dyno graphs,.. see which ones resemble itos graph. Do all of this keeping in mind that mazda has a file on judge ito and has threatend legal action. So he CANT say what he did, even if you guessed it rite. Learn to read between the lines people, Ito flat out said he cant say what it was for his own protection. Everyone should have looked at the graph, said "oh cool, good job Ito" insted of running him off the board with questions about the OBVIOUS. This thread should be deleted.

 

And I still haven't seen even a plausible explanation of why Mazda would give a *&%! that somebody is modifying their car. So what...people mod cars all the time. BFD. What is different about this case?

jds

 

I am trying to figure out the same thing.I mean if he did screw with port and is on mazda's watch list he warranty is done anyway.Only other thing i can think of is using state or federal to hammer him on doing a mod that screw emissions or if the info was leaked by someone esle on a future project that he jumped on.

Im more concerned now on getting it done instead of asking why he cant talk.Can anyone else confirm that Acosta did a port

 

What do i possibly have to gain by lieing to you?Damn there are some skeptic pessimistic people here.

 

well i said this before, i was at acosta about a month ago and marcos told me the red rx8 dynoed at 194 to 195 he never mention that it was ported you can always give them a call, i would not recommend them to no one as i was not happy with there service.but thats just me there number is 973-365-1190

 

Thanks Stealth!!

 

I wouldn't really call the nopostons.com crowd a bunch of "mice following the piper." To be honest, I think there may be a bit more of the old-school rotary knowledge hanging out there than here. While I do get a lot out of this forum, this thread was a great example of people rushing in to call BS on something because they could pick on the "bone stock" semantics issue. I don't think that helps anyone. No one is doing that to Ito on nopistons because most of the people over there know his reputation well enough to know he's not making it all up. I'm sure if I went over there (me being a nobody in the overall scheme of things) and made some similar claims they wouldn't accept what I said without question.

jds

 

You have nothing to gain by lying to us. I'm not a sceptic or a pessimist. I know he hit that number. You just aren't Ito. If it didn't come out of Ito's mouth, it isn't verified. Maybe you are right. It makes sense with other things he has said but I want it confirmed by him personally before I consider it set in stone.

 

Warrenty, the motor is stock so it should be covered. Unlike the couple trans they (i think) denyed him because of stuff he's posted,.. hence why this thread should be deleted. It is completly obvious how he made the power, there is no secret porting, ecu or consiricy from mazda.

 

obvious to you but not to everyone. unlike you many of the rx-8 owners are new to what works on rotaries and what doesnt. remember when you got your first rotary and didnt know anything? so why dont you enlighten us with what you call the obvious. that is the point of this thread- educating people.

 

which is exactly why i started this thread and have deleted some posts. instead of the bs callling and bickering i thought there were enough people who were interested in how that power could be made that we could have a cool discussion about it. too many people just want to bicker about the whole other issue - which isnt relative in this thread. i feel like going back and ripping a whole bunch of other posts out but its probably not worth it. maybe ill just close this.

wtf- the only posts i got rid of so far whether yours or someoenelse's were ones that were not on topic. yes i left a bunch of others that should go because i really hoped people would cut the crap out themselves. i did not pick on you and left other posts by you that were on topic. nobody kisses up to me or gets preferential treatment.

 

When Mazda replaces an engine, the old one goes back to the factory to be disassembled. This is how we can buy remanufactured engines from them for much cheaper than brand new ones. If they pull a warrantied engine apart and see that it has been ported, why wouldn't they go back to the person whose car it came out of and question them about it? They track all of these things so they should know exactly which car it came from.

 

Does the graph look like a ported motor? I dont want to say what it is because i dont want to get him in trouble or anything,.. but i mean look at it

 

True but if something else broke like a driveshaft or tranny they would have no reason to tear apart the motor to discover what he has or hasn't done. Unless there is probable cause.

 

On a completly unrelated note, Ito is building a 500 HP nitrous powered bridge ported renn. He also recently had alot of luck with nitrous on his daughters FC3C, putting down over 200 HP. The Renn motor is going into his rx3 which curently has a nitrous injected semi PP 13b-REW.

hey everyone, check out this dyno graph http://www.yellowmustangregistry.com/dyno/N20_vs_NA.jpg

I thought this one was cool too, look how it just jumps up twards the end??!?http://www.dynopower.freeserve.co.uk...xide/3runs.htm

hmmm?

http://www.viperalley.com/gallery/sh...cat/all/page/1

This ones small, but good

http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...mages/GSXR1000


But anyhow, Ito's car is stock, most definatly. Differences in temp humidity, wind speed, cosmic rays, sun spots , and chemistry can lead to overly high dyno readings.

 

I don't know, I thought he indicated it wasn't a warranty issue. At any rate, I don't think this would cause Mazda to spy on him and tell him not to mod his car...they would just say he's no longer covered.

jds

 

hmmm... what was that i said again??

oh yeah... i'm definitely with teh brainy ones on this. :D

 

I don't think that I am especially intelligent, but it seems what he did he made fairly obvious to me. Maybe everyone is just so mad when he says in plain text he won't tell them they don't read between the lines.

 

I think the legend goes: As Ito walked into his local mazda dealer for his second transmission, He was confronted by a wild eyed service manager weilding a a 500 page three ring binder full of Ito's posts on the major rotary forums. Denied his drivetrain work was, thus he had to front the money out of pocket. For the better of rotarykind around the world Ito galently paid the evil service manager for the transmission work, so that he could go on to modify, teach and be merry.

 

Well Rotarian SC, Please Tell!!! So we can calm down!!!!

 

ok i give up now..